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Most CEOs say Trump policy has harmed their businesses
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Sep 22, 2025, 7:58 PM
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“By the numbers: 71% of the CEOs said tariffs were harmful to their businesses.
74% said that the courts were correct to find that the Trump's tariffs are illegal as executed.
80% said that the president was not acting in the country's best interest by pressuring Fed chair Jerome Powell to cut interest rates.
76% said that Health Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. is putting U.S. public health at risk.”
https://apple.news/AQhfCmkdZQfqrNCYigZcIpA
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Re: Most CEOs say Trump policy has harmed their businesses
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Sep 22, 2025, 8:03 PM
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“By the numbers: 71% of the CEOs said tariffs were harmful to their businesses. 74% said that the courts were correct to find that the Trump's tariffs are illegal as executed. 80% said that the president was not acting in the country's best interest by pressuring Fed chair Jerome Powell to cut interest rates. 76% said that Health Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. is putting U.S. public health at risk.” https://apple.news/AQhfCmkdZQfqrNCYigZcIpA
You do realize that this same group of CEOs by 80-20% said Harris would win the 2024 election
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Re: Most CEOs say Trump policy has harmed their businesses
Sep 23, 2025, 7:26 PM
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“By the numbers: 71% of the CEOs said tariffs were harmful to their businesses. 74% said that the courts were correct to find that the Trump's tariffs are illegal as executed. 80% said that the president was not acting in the country's best interest by pressuring Fed chair Jerome Powell to cut interest rates. 76% said that Health Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. is putting U.S. public health at risk.” https://apple.news/AQhfCmkdZQfqrNCYigZcIpAYou do realize that this same group of CEOs by 80-20% said Harris would win the 2024 election
I don’t believe you
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S&P 500 up 14% YTD ... at least 500 companies are doing aight.***
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Sep 22, 2025, 8:15 PM
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Re: S&P 500 up 14% YTD ... at least 500 companies are doing aight.***
Sep 22, 2025, 8:28 PM
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When the prices go down, are you going to blame Trump?
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Re: S&P 500 up 14% YTD ... at least 500 companies are doing aight.***
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Sep 22, 2025, 8:31 PM
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When the prices go down, are you going to blame Trump?
Are you giving him credit for the 14%?
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Re: S&P 500 up 14% YTD ... at least 500 companies are doing aight.***
Sep 23, 2025, 6:52 AM
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I actually know quite a bit about the makeup of the increase, dummy. If anything, your false idol has impeded the rise. A large part of that 14% is NVidia, MSFT, and Apple.
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And right before the Great Depression***
Sep 23, 2025, 7:04 AM
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Good point on what stocks / sectors driving market performance***
Sep 22, 2025, 8:56 PM
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Most CEOs spent more on DEI than the tariffs cost.***
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Sep 22, 2025, 8:59 PM
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LOL...is it "make sheet up" day?***
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Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 AM
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Re: Most CEOs spent more on DEI than the tariffs cost.***
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Sep 23, 2025, 8:18 PM
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DEI + woke + green energy policies cost American companies tremendous money.
Correlation does not mean causation, yet great companies like Boeing, Intel, Dow Chemical, Disney, many auto makers, etc. have had ratty results since going DEI, woke, and Green. This had been the case prior to Trump-47.
Auto makers who made big bets on EVs that barely, if at all, would exist without massive subsidies from the federal government.
Boeing’s product quality has gone in the dumper as DEI took hold there.
Disney’s stock has lost ~ half its value since going all-in on DEI. The large majority of their new movies are flops. DisneyWoke+ has failed to meet expectations
I pay attention to Intel; I read their annual report (but hadn’t read the most recent one). They admitted a big problem in hiring high quality engineers, yet a bigger focus (back when Biden was sleeping in Oval Office) on meeting DEI hiring ‘goals’ (translation quotas). Shockingly, Intel’s business was bad and their payroll was bloated, despite being unable to hire enough engineers. Add it up.
Dow Chemical had gone all DEI, including the pathetic virtue signal of identifying the ‘sexual preference’ for each (I forget if it was one group of the following or both groups … but I think it is executive managers) high level employee. They also put big emphasis on ‘green’ technology. Their business was underperforming prior to Trump-47. Now, they blame it on tariffs.
This isn’t to detail businesses who padded their profits by using low-wage illegal alien labor that was subsidized by the federal govt via highly subsidized (sometimes, entirely subsidized) housing and medical services. Of course these companies hate Trump’s immigration policies.
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Corporate America has harmed the people of the US
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Sep 22, 2025, 10:41 PM
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shutting down small businesses, laying off employees and maximizing profits when the opposition is out of the way. I hope the tariffs hurt them even more.
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Today's Corps are big and vast enough to absorb the margin pains.
Sep 22, 2025, 10:55 PM
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Mergers and acquisitions, Baby! Plus they can pony up enough tribute to buy some extra space if things get tight tight with Daddy Do Right.
Small business is small potatoes.
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Most corporations have fewer than 100 employees ffs***
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Sep 23, 2025, 6:39 AM
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Welp. There it is. The dumbest thing I'll read on this board this week.
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Sep 23, 2025, 7:40 AM
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Tariffs ultimately hurt average consumers. It's astounding how ignorant and uninformed Trumpers are about the economy.
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The avg consumer buys a lot of stupid ###. Maybe they should save more.***
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Sep 23, 2025, 7:44 AM
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Every other country on earth has them, and they are bringing manufacturing
Sep 23, 2025, 3:02 PM
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back to the states. Seeing the biggest increase coming from Canada, personally. Impact won't be felt until next year, but it is happening.
People not involved in business don't get to call others ignorant and uninformed over things they themselves do not necessarily understand. kthnx.
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Oh, sorry, Twitter posts with the red light are pretty much always BS.***
Sep 23, 2025, 3:28 PM
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They are coming back, you just won't see the results immediately
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Sep 23, 2025, 3:29 PM
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Things take time, as your cepr.org article pointed out. Most of this stuff is a year+ out from showing up on any employment and revenue statistics.
Here's the quote where I know cepr.org is totally FOS (I'm not going to read the usa today because I'm not turning off my adblocker, but I'm sure it's equally as dismissive and obtuse):
"It may or may not be important for the US to have a robust manufacturing sector. One could reasonably argue that all that matters for the US is to have strong alliances with trading partners in which the goods Americans wish to consume are produced."
You don't have a service sector without robust manufacturing...You don't have an economy without robust manufacturing, it drives everything. If the author cannot understand that simple fact than nothing they write is worth paying attention to. They point out service sector jobs often pay more, but ignore the fact that an economy requires manufacturing to sustain those service jobs. It's a big reason Detroit has seen somewhat of a resurgence while Chicago is seeing an exodus.
It's much more than basic economics class....Much, much more, and in the end it's not all about max profit but sustainability.
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Re: They are coming back, you just won't see the results immediately
Sep 23, 2025, 3:34 PM
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Well, I'm not getting into a back and forth again about whether or not they are because neither of us are changing our minds.
But I think we both know it's all getting wiped out in 2026 if Congress flips and if not then, 2028 if the White House does. If Congress flips in 2026, those tariffs end immediately as the power should have been stripped from the president a while back.
And it should be. No president should have this power.
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That's the rub, it needs to be set with some certainty
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Sep 23, 2025, 3:44 PM
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I am not a fan of how Trump has handled them at all, although I do agree with the overall goal...Which I think is very attainable, and if we can make it to 2028 should stick. There's already a good bit of secured investment going into 2026, if congress flips and things get rolled back it will stall that progress for sure.
But nobody is telling the American people the truth, either. They were handled horribly, but what we're doing is exactly what every other country on earth does. NAFTA was a huge mistake and allowed one generation to profit at the expense of their children and grandchildren. Ross Perot was 110% correct and we've got to do something to correct things.
Now, my personal opinion is you do away with it all and do a flat consumption tax on non-essential items...but that will never happen.
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Actually skimmed the USAtoday article, it wasn't as bad as I thought
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Sep 23, 2025, 3:37 PM
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Here's a good quote
“I need to control my 102-year-old company’s destiny by controlling its future and not relying on global tariffs when things could change daily,” Lawrence said. “By manufacturing in the USA, we save on freight, we save with automation. ... With automation, we can produce many of our products at a similar cost compared to increased costs with even 10% tariffs on freight.”
Guess what the US is beginning to really specialize in? Automation! Certainly, it takes time to get things up and running, but with the currently geopolitical situation we need to be bringing as much back as possible, particularly from China. No country on Earth has the automation expertise we do, except maybe the Germans, and they are relocating over here rapidly due to insane energy costs.
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Oh look. We agree.
Sep 23, 2025, 3:43 PM
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Yeah, it likely will bring automation. But that's not bringing back manufacturing jobs, which is the swan song we were sold.
https://time.com/7276087/trump-tariffs-ai-automation-robots/
Thus, in the short run, Nobel Prize-winning economist Daron Acemoglu predicts, there is likely to be so much disruption that few companies will invest in automation or much else. But if tariffs persist in the medium term, Acemoglu tells TIME, he expects companies “will have no choice but to bring some of their supply chains back home—but they will do it via AI and robots.”
If that's the end game, then it probably will happen. But at what cost?
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You get more higher paying, higher specialized jobs to design, build, and
Sep 23, 2025, 3:51 PM
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maintain the automation. And you create new industries to serve that industry. Then everyone from the trucker hauling the robots, to the barista selling coffee to the programers benefits.
What is going away is your low skilled, human pick and place job. Which is why I always found it so ridiculous how people thought Trump's immigration policy was somehow going to wreck the economy...Those jobs are on the way out, anyway. Whether it's agriculture or manufacturing.
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Re: You get more higher paying, higher specialized jobs to design, build, and
Sep 24, 2025, 8:08 AM
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But you've already acknowledged that Trump's execution of the tariffs was poorly done, and that's why this automation push will likely fail. A change in power will see these tariffs wiped, and then we just feel the effects of Trump's short term idiocy in implementation. If we wanted to make real change towards automation and more manufacturing in the U.S., we would have done so gradually and calculated with bipartisan measures. Trump, arrogant idiot that he is, thought he could fix it all on his own with quick pen strokes that really aren't constitutional and served more as punitive measures rather than calculated ones.
There's going to be a swing back and, for better or worse, that's going to come with immigrants, too. The Trump admin went too far with ICE and their tactics, so the Democrats are probably (and foolishly so) going to open the gates even more as retribution.
This is why supporting extremism is folly; it begets more extremism from the opposing side when they take office again.
The people will only tolerate a push to automation so far. You mention the trucker hauling robots; what happens when the millions of Americans who drive those trucks are also replaced?
SC has the only tea plantation in America. It's on Wadmalaw Island near the Firefly Distillery. It's a pretty boring tour when your in-laws drag you out there. They have this incredible beast of a harvester made especially for their plantation, and it does something like the work of 1,000 men in one day.
On the tour, someone asked why they didn't make and sell these things to plantations in India. The tour guide smiled and said, "Because it would cause a nationwide revolution if these things started replacing tea plantation jobs there."
You just simply can't automate all those jobs.
And yeah, Trump's immigration policy has dealt a very devastating blow to American agriculture. One of my friends, Trumper that he is, fled his ag sales job because sales were plummeting... he still refused to admit why, but I could tell he knew why.
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Re: Oh look. We agree.
Sep 23, 2025, 8:35 PM
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Growers (this is the term for farmers that grow crops, fruits, and vegetables) are rapidly exploring automation equipment that already exists to replace the illegal immigrants who are becoming scarcer / less available to them.
The growers had not adopted automated ‘vegetable & fruit’ pickers because they could avoid the cap ex to purchase this automated harvesting equipment because the continued use of illegal labor obviated the need to make the capital investment in the equipment.
As for jobs FOR AMERICANS, this inexorable movement towards automation in the agro ‘growers’ world will require well trained people to operate the equipment (thus justifying higher rates of pay for operators when compared to illegal alien manual labor) and skilled, well trained employees to maintain & repair the equipment (thus, creating much higher paying jobs for Americans).
As the growers improve their tactics for using the automation, and as the manufacturers of equipment become more efficient and as their products get better, costs for those veggies & fruits which are amenable to being harvested via equipment will get cheaper.
It will take time, but the net result will be higher paying jobs for Americans and lower prices (on a constant dollar basis) for those fruits and veggies that can be harvested via automation equipment.
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Re: Most CEOs say Trump policy has harmed their businesses
Sep 23, 2025, 4:21 PM
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The fast food the atheist TRUMP feed our last National Championship Team is causing our problems today! TRUMP IS THE ANTICHRIST 👍
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Re: Most CEOs say Trump policy has harmed their businesses
Sep 23, 2025, 4:55 PM
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Are these the same CEO's that maximized profits, causing Biden's inflation?
Has Trumps policy's lowered their profits to pre-Biden levels?
Do we like corporate American again?
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CEOs blaming T-47 for bad business = Dabo beeching about fans for 1-3 start
Sep 23, 2025, 8:38 PM
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Shocking … CEOs blaming something other than themselves for their organizations’ poor performance.
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