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Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022
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Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:17 PM

Let's compare with other schools:
Alabama: 221
UGA:224
OSU:114
OU: 177

You may be shocked to find out that these schools have signed more players than us.

We don't have a single DL commit and are short of an 85-man roster. If we're not going to use the portal, we're going to have to sign bigger classes. When we miss on our first guy, it seems like our backup choice has moved on because we offered too late.

We're not going to be able to compete with UGA, Bama, and OSU with this level of roster management.

And no, signing a bunch of low-level/walk-ons to get to the 85 man limit is not going to cut it.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:20 PM

You do realize Clemson gas done this for the last 10 years or so. We don’t throw out offers just throw out offers. Clemson only offs kids they believe will fit their system. Know facts before spouting crap out

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:24 PM

You do realize that CFB has changed in the past 10 years. Look at how many players we've lost to the portal.

If our system can't allow us to have 85 players on the roster, then that's our problem.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 13, 2022, 7:02 AM

Others already said it, but things have changed dramatically in the last two years in player recruitment and portal moves. Every team has to recruit knowing they may lose a 5 star starting recruit just because he does not like the money landscape, a coaching change, or the move to the pro's potential for them. Other high recruits will move on because they are impatient to begin starting. Attrition of good and great players for a team is going to continue to rise. A program cannot afford to recruit 10 and lose two or three. There will be zero depth to the program. Depth is what makes for championship runs.

If Nick Saban is any indicator of how to do things and keep winning it is the shotgun of sending out offers to hundreds of four star and five star players.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 13, 2022, 12:48 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

Do you realize the transfer portal was not in existence 10 yrs ago? More importantly, the TP has gone full tilt and consequently rendered our highly successful stratagem unfeasible.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:25 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

That was before the portal.

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Tell 'em u7c coot, no one knows losing better than you


Jan 2, 2022, 5:46 PM

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:25 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

That was before the portal.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 5:01 PM

Transfers didn't happen before the portal?

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 5:10 PM

Not like they do now. In the past 10 years how many transfers did we have before the portal compared to how many after the portal?

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I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal


Jan 2, 2022, 5:42 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

started in late 2018. In the last three years since the portal began Clemson has had 29 players transfer. In the 5 years prior to the portal (2014-2018) Clemson had 0 players transfer.

The college football landscape has changed drastically. Will we adapt and try to continue to complete at the highest level? That’s the question.

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Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal


Jan 2, 2022, 6:41 PM

As you mention, the portal started late 2018 (October to be exact).
8 players transferred from Clemson in 2018 prior to the portal. .

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Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal


Jan 2, 2022, 6:41 PM [ in reply to I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal ]

That's not accurate. Scott Pagano transferred after out first Natty with DW4.

Also, we had 9 players transfer in 2017


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But I’m pretty sure those were graduate transfers


Jan 2, 2022, 7:02 PM

There’s a difference transferring as a graduate than a non-graduate. I bet most of those were graduates.

And even if they were not, you look like a silly child trying to use a few exceptions and sticking your head in the sand. You need to realize that things are completely different now than three years ago. You people worshiping Dabo no matter what he says when it’s obvious we have a problem look stupid. And the harder you try to make it sound like nothing has changed the more you’re proving that you’re living in a fantasy world.

Alabama Georgia and Ohio State already out recruit us every year. And they are using the portal.

Go back and watch the LSU and Ohio State games. The best players on the field were from the portal. We lost those last two games against LSU and Ohio State because of players from the portal.

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Re: But I’m pretty sure those were graduate transfers


Jan 2, 2022, 11:10 PM

Since you cherry picked 2 QB transfers,, how many QB's in this year Natty are from the portal? I'll wait.

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Re: But I’m pretty sure those were graduate transfers


Jan 13, 2022, 7:09 AM

You said Natty....no question you have is worth answering

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Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal


Jan 2, 2022, 7:43 PM [ in reply to Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal ]

You are correct. I was wrong. Pre portal transfers are harder to identify and count. Sorry for the misinformation. But I still stand by my comment about far more transfers happening now than before the portal. When I have a little more time I’ll try to compile accurate data.

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Far more transfers now that you don't have to sit a year


Jan 2, 2022, 7:48 PM

fify

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Re: Far more transfers now that you don't have to sit a year


Jan 2, 2022, 7:56 PM

Correct. That’s the change that made the portal so significant in the new landscape.

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That just occurred this season***


Jan 2, 2022, 8:14 PM



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Re: Far more transfers now that you don't have to sit a year


Jan 3, 2022, 8:33 PM [ in reply to Re: Far more transfers now that you don't have to sit a year ]

I haven't done the research and I'm just pulling this from memory of what I've heard on some podcasts, but isn't the not sitting a year a one-time transfer allowance? I mean, I understand there are new kids every year and there are going to constantly be kids in the portal who don't have to sit, but I don't believe they can get into this yearly NIL bidding war that some have suggested because I believe after the one "instant-eligibility" transfer, if they enter the portal again, they'll have to sit a year or apply for a waiver. Also I've heard the numbers stated a few times and I can't remember exactly what they are now, but there are a significant number more kids in the portal than D1 availability for them. I heard it explained that when a school takes a player from the portal, they can't take another player for the same position in that cycle. So you can't go get 2 QBs or 3 RBs from the portal if I understood correctly. I know that there needs to be more emphasis on educating these kids on the dangers of entering the portal and it's going to have to happen at the high school level because they aren't going to believe their college's motives are pure.

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Re: Far more transfers now that you don't have to sit a year


Jan 12, 2022, 10:22 PM [ in reply to Far more transfers now that you don't have to sit a year ]

The only thing that matters is that the portal is here and we are offering less thab half as many kids as Ala,Ga, Osu, Oka, Lsu ND. and God only knows who else. We have got to adapt. If you were racing cars and the rules changed to allow better fuel, or better tires or carbs whatever the thing is that if you dont change with the rimes your going to get left behind and your not going to win many races.

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Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal


Jan 2, 2022, 8:30 PM [ in reply to Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal ]

It seems to be largely forgotten that the NCAA gave everyone an extra year of eligibility and did not count 2020 against anyone’s eligibility. Players normally have 5 years to play 4 seasons. Now they have as many as 7 seasons to play 6. A freshman who played in 2020 can play through 2026. 85 scholarships limits go back in effect next season. There are roughly 40% too many players in the system so, of course, the transfer system is flooded. Trying to compare the old transfer system to the portal is pointless because of covid rules.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
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1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Exactly and considering 2 of our larger classes were the 2019 and 2020 classes


Jan 2, 2022, 8:38 PM

we are going to have to deal with it longer than many others. You don’t k ow when these guys are leaving.

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Re: Exactly and considering 2 of our larger classes were the 2019 and 2020 classes


Jan 2, 2022, 8:48 PM

I tried, and failed, to impress upon people that our 2 deep was almost 40% underclassmen. 2015-2020 we averaged closer to 20%. Certain posters want to bash us for losing to teams like Pitt because we out talent them on paper. But stars are generally a measure of readiness to play. Pitts 13 starting super seniors went a long way to balancing out recruiting scales.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal


Jan 2, 2022, 9:02 PM [ in reply to Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal ]

Why would a player get 7 years to play 6 just because 2020 was a free year? How could your example of a freshman playing in 2020 play until 2026?

You still only get 5 years to play 4, but with 2010 not counting. Am I missing something?

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Re: I did a little research for you. The Transfer Portal


Jan 2, 2022, 9:08 PM

2020 does not count towards eligibility at all. Take it out of your equation. Additionally, anyone enrolled in a 20-21 fall sport received has received an extra year of eligibility. And sorry, I meant 7 years to play 5. The NCAA officially says student have 6 years to play 4 but 2020 does not count. So if you played in 2020 you will have 7 years to play 5.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Had to sit a year. Way different.***


Jan 3, 2022, 1:18 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]



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ADAPT OR DIE


Jan 2, 2022, 4:32 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

It’s true in any business.

Look at Polaroid. They didn’t need digital cameras. Nothing would ever replace that instant picture. It’s worked for years !

How many of y’all went to Clemson and did case studies ?

There’s got to be another person here with a college education.

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Re: ADAPT OR DIE


Jan 2, 2022, 4:53 PM

Oh, don’t worry. You are definitely the smartest guy in the room. Feel better now?

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No .. I can’t be ..


Jan 2, 2022, 5:03 PM

There’s no critical thinking anymore ?

Everyone just believes whatever they want ???????

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:33 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

You do realize things are different nowadays!!!

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That’s the EXACT mindset that has us where we are….


Jan 2, 2022, 4:52 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

Roster wise.

“We’ll Dabos done this and that since he became head coach”

He must adapt. The CFB landscape has COMPLETELY been flipped upside down since 2018 (our peak) with the portal and NIL.

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Re: That’s the EXACT mindset that has us where we are….


Jan 2, 2022, 5:25 PM

So you think Dabo should be fired, start formally taking direction from Tigernet, or be given time to run the team the way he see’s fit? Unless it’s one of the first two then why not let things play out rather than constantly bash the second bash coach active in college football.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Dabo has had plenty of time to adapt to the transfer portal.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:04 PM

Exactly the same amount of time as every other coach, in fact.

It doesn’t speak to mastery, competence, or “I got this” when other teams are using the portal and easily filling their 85 scholarship allotment, and we have yet to get a player from the portal and are woefully behind in scholarship players for ‘22.

Your post makes it sound like this situation is new and we aren’t giving Dabo a chance. It isn’t new, and we are giving him a chance. Early returns aren’t good.

No one is discounting Dabo’s success in the past. But he hasn’t shown that he can effectively navigate THIS situation. You do see the difference, right?

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Re: Dabo has had plenty of time to adapt to the transfer portal.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:15 PM

Lol - as addressed, and ignored, earlier you have very much ignored his success and declared it non-elite “for years” (your words). Of course they are demonstrably false but tearing down anything good at Clemson is what you are here for. 2nd and 3rd in the country are not elite to you. We had more underclassmen on the two deep in 2021 since any point back to 2015 by almost double. “The Portal” is a convenient bugaboo for low information fans and people like you who like to fan the flames.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


We were absolutely elite up until recently.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:40 PM

We are no longer elite.

You can keep living in the past if you want, but reality says that we have a lot of work to do.

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Recently? You mean this year?


Jan 2, 2022, 7:47 PM

Because I believe reaching the playoffs would qualify as elite. Final Four elite. 6 straight years. Was Bama no longer elite in 2019 when they missed the playoffs?

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Interesting that we aren’t elite…


Jan 2, 2022, 7:51 PM

but Cincinnati would have to be I guess.


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Re: Interesting that we aren’t elite…


Jan 2, 2022, 7:56 PM

No, because Judge Keller has explicitly stated that we weren’t elite in 2019 when we finished 2nd or 2020 when we finished 3rd. No one is elite except whoever wins it all but we should bash our coach whenever they don’t meet that standard.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


It would be interesting to google “elite college football…


Jan 2, 2022, 8:02 PM

programs” to see just how bad the reality is for Clemson.

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Clearly below the coots as they offer 200 kids a year


Jan 2, 2022, 8:18 PM

That appears to be the new measuring stick, that, and of course, PORTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Clearly below the coots as they offer 200 kids a year


Jan 2, 2022, 8:20 PM

I feel triggered. TNet needs to censor the p-word.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: It would be interesting to google “elite college football…


Jan 2, 2022, 8:20 PM [ in reply to It would be interesting to google “elite college football… ]

I googled it and it just said “certainly not Clemson.”

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


It’s an undeniable downward trajectory….


Jan 2, 2022, 8:13 PM [ in reply to Interesting that we aren’t elite… ]

2018 - our peak on top of college football

Enter portal infancy

2019 - blown out in title game
2020- destroyed in semi
2021 - cheez it bowl champs. In the red scholarship wise and recruiting class wise.

Whether you admit it or not we’ve stepped back each year since our peak. If you’re truly being honest our roster isn’t even CLOSE talent wise now than it was in 2015-2018.

If Dabo doesn’t address the REAL issues on the roster management front we will continue to slide further from our peak.

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Re: It’s an undeniable downward trajectory….


Jan 2, 2022, 8:19 PM

This year is the only step back. You’re trying to force a narrative. Our average finish from 2016-2020 was 2.2. 3rd in 2020 is not a significant variation. We were 4th in 2017.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: It’s an undeniable downward trajectory….


Jan 2, 2022, 8:26 PM

Can’t force facts. You do with that what you may.

Destroyed in champ game in 19
Destroyed in semi in 20
Cheez it bowl champs 21

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You fail to mention we won the 2019 semi


Jan 2, 2022, 8:35 PM

and destroying is what we did to Bama or what Bama did to OSU. That LSU game wasn’t as horrible as some people make it out. You look at the offense LSU had- nobody was dealing with that on that night in their backyard.

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Re: You fail to mention we won the 2019 semi


Jan 3, 2022, 1:06 PM

IMHO that LSU team was the best college team (Offense & Defense) of all time. Followed by our 2018 team and a Bama squad or two. And the 2019 LSU team had a marginal HC and outstanding DC and OC.

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Re: It’s an undeniable downward trajectory….


Jan 2, 2022, 8:37 PM [ in reply to Re: It’s an undeniable downward trajectory…. ]

“Destroyed” isn’t a fact. It’s emo hyperbole. 2,1,4,1,2,3 - those are facts. In fact, our average finish is better 2018-20 than 2015-2017. Also a fact. You see what you want to see.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


“This year is the only step back.”


Jan 2, 2022, 8:57 PM [ in reply to Re: It’s an undeniable downward trajectory…. ]

LOL.

I hate to break it to you, but this year, being the most recent, is the most important one in terms of where we are as a program and where we are heading.

Keep clinging to prior year achievements if you wish, but it doesn’t change the reality of where we are now - which is a top 15-20 team with the worst QB in the ACC based on rating, and one of the worst offenses in college football, with a dip in recruiting this year, and a real issue filling our available scholarships.

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So 2018 was the most important year for Bama


Jan 2, 2022, 9:25 PM

In their run, when they missed the playoffs? If we make the playoffs next year, have we taken a step forward?

You do know it's very likely we win the ACC and make the playoffs next year, don't you?

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Re: So 2018 was the most important year for Bama


Jan 3, 2022, 1:10 PM

Striper - respect your knowledge and posts. But I will bet any takers Clemson does not return to playoffs with DJ starting all games in 2022. And with a fast-learning healthy CK, playoffs are a maybe.

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Agree****


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Where we are headed? Hmm we currently have the


Jan 2, 2022, 10:39 PM [ in reply to “This year is the only step back.” ]

2nd longest active winning streak among P5 teams. We may have the longest heading into next season depending on what shakes out Monday. We return a significant number of veterans on D that finished 2nd in the nation. We have a loaded backfield, a host of receivers off the injury list and OL that improved greatly down the stretch while being young and missing several of their most gifted players. We have what many consider to be the top hs qb in the country coming in early to compete with a guy who has shown before what he was called of when he has experience and talent around him. We have a number of skill guys and a couple OL to add to the mix who appear to be extremely talented as they are demonstrating in their all star practices and games against many of the nations elite. So if you want to sit here and talk trajectory, I’d say it looks pretty #### good.

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Wait a second…


Jan 2, 2022, 8:31 PM [ in reply to It’s an undeniable downward trajectory…. ]

Let’s look at this…
2019: Blown out by a team that uses the portal but is now a dumpster fire. Coaches and players all gone. Under NCAA investigation.
2020: Blown out by a team that uses the portal but went on to get blown out in the NCG and is currently in the same boat as us; no playoff birth and no conference championship. Except we didn’t have players opt out in high numbers like they did.
2021: Maybe the beginning of the end, but more than likely an outlier. We had a really tough combination of injuries, disappointing play, “super seniors”, replacing key leaders in multiple key roles, and coaches leaving. Through all that we finished 10-3, currently still have a top 15 recruiting class, and have already addressed most of the concerns for next year, save numbers. I feel pretty good that that is being addressed too.

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But bone of that fits the panic #### narrative!


Jan 2, 2022, 8:36 PM

That would imply we're on solid ground and going nowhere as some cheerleader, salesman, non x & o coach naively states

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Re: But bone of that fits the panic #### narrative!


Jan 2, 2022, 8:43 PM

It is no small irony that the biggest detractors of what is going on with the team are essentially attacking Dabo’s management of the program. Until about 3 months ago it was a near universal talking point that Dabo is a great, if not the greatest, college football CEO. It was his “coaching” that was supposed to be suspect. Now, he’s apparently an idiot savant that lucked into being at the helm of one of the great runs in college football.

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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


It’s funny that some of you want to argue whether we were elite or not.


Jan 2, 2022, 8:54 PM [ in reply to Recently? You mean this year? ]

Regardless, we know that we were extremely successful for a number of years, and we did not come close to meeting that benchmark this year.

This is our reality. We can either cling to past successes and assume that we will get back there next year because “we’re elite” and “we have Dabo,” or we can look at our current situation and the issues that we are dealing with and discuss them.

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Re: It’s funny that some of you want to argue whether we were elite or not.


Jan 2, 2022, 10:22 PM

Interesting, you are the one saying
11 straight 10 win seasons
2 natties
6 straight playoffs
Etc

According to you, Clemson is not elite.
And now you comment that people are debating if we are elite, when you brought it up. Wow.

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Re: We were absolutely elite up until recently.


Jan 2, 2022, 10:19 PM [ in reply to We were absolutely elite up until recently. ]

11 straight 10 win seasons for only the third time does not make you elite?
Well crap, who knew?

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 9:03 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

That was before NIL - it is all changed now and it seems to me Dabo is not smart enough to realize it! It may not show up next year but it will get us eventually and then we may not be able to get out. I don’t want to go back to the early 70’s, the early 80’s or the early 90’s - those football year’s sucked!

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The early 80’s sucked?***


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Re: The early 80’s sucked?***


Jan 2, 2022, 9:33 PM

Only 81 was good - the rest were taken from us by the ACC and the N Carolina asxholes. I don’t want that to happen again - if we get back to a position of power we tell the ACC and NC to suck it

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Pretty sure Dabo isn't landing us on probation***


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Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit


Jan 2, 2022, 4:23 PM

come beginning of 2nd semester. That means 14 guys with eligibility have to leave their current roster.

Is that really how you want us to operate?

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Re: Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit


Jan 2, 2022, 4:27 PM

No where in my post did I indicate this is how I feel.

We're currently 13 players under the scholarship limit. That is dreadful. If I had to pick, I'd rather be over than under.

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So why don't we let it play out?


Jan 2, 2022, 5:12 PM

We'll have a larger than normal Feb class and eventually add from the portal. Portal goes to May 1. Plenty of guys will be entering there as well, at least 14 from Bama.

And if not for the 4 last minute decommits due to Venables leaving, 9 would be the number. That's no ones fault, just circumstances that hurt us this year, and not anything that could be planned for

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You sound exactly like people defending Tommy Bowden


Jan 2, 2022, 7:08 PM

It was always give him a little more time

In no way does anyone on Tigernet think Dabo should be fired. But anyone that doesn’t see we have a problem and that what was done five years ago is not working now and that we need to adapt has their head in the sand or up their ###!

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Ugh, who claimed you wanted Dabo fired?


Jan 2, 2022, 7:41 PM

Ugh, the difference between Dabo and Bowden is light years. Dabo gets the benefit of the doubt over internet chuckers like you.

I'll be patient and see how it plays out

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Re: You sound exactly like people defending Tommy Bowden


Jan 2, 2022, 7:42 PM [ in reply to You sound exactly like people defending Tommy Bowden ]

So you don’t believe Dabo should be fired but believe that his management of the program is irrevocably moving us towards disaster and has been for years. So what exactly are you calling for? A panel of TNet elders to dictate policy to Dabo? Or do
You just enjoy spitting in the wind?

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I think your #s are off. We are at 76 based on what


Jan 2, 2022, 8:58 PM [ in reply to Re: Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

I see. That includes Henry for now. It includes Drew Swinney because we know he’s the holder. It includes a spot for the LS as Mattox technically could come back but don’t think he is but that scholly still goes to a holder. It doesn’t include guys like Price(eligible to return) Maye or Connolly. So if we are at 76 now and had 4 decommitts late that was 80 heading into 2nd signing. We know Dabo is going to keep about 3 for the Maye/Connolly types. So we’re about 6 under the 82 target they are trying to get. They are in on some good guys for Feb and I would expect them to sign 4 or so missing our target by 2 - that’s not a big deal. He could get a guy or 2 after spring ball from the portal or if our #s don’t change post spring, we can go to bat with being a couple short and work toward a slightly bigger class for 2023 knowing we have camps, recruiting is back in homes, and we should have a stable staff next recruiting year vs this past few weeks. The reality is until the Covid bubble of players goes away, our signing classes aren’t going to be very big. There are extra players in the system for a few more years. Giving the CoVID year when everyone ended up playing is yet another dumb move by the ncaa

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You do realize that there is a middle ground, right?


Jan 2, 2022, 4:30 PM [ in reply to Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

No one is suggesting that we mislead kids, oversign, and revoke scholarships from hard working kids.

But there is nothing wrong with making more offers and letting recruits know that waiting might mean that their spot is taken by someone else we are recruiting.

Waiting on a target without offering anyone else at that position is a huge risk. It’s part of the reason why our recruiting class this year was not up to our recent standard, as well as why we are currently well below the 85 scholarship limit for 2022.

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So, we make an uncommitable offer just so


Jan 2, 2022, 5:22 PM

As to make an offer with the kid knowing they have to wait?

Or, we tell a kid be patient, be honest with them, you know, like we did with Williams who signed when the offer came a week before signing day and now with Turner's brother, without making an offer we werent going to accept a commitment on?

An uncommitable offer is a meaningless offer. All it does is allow the kid a moment on twitter.

And if we're going to be honest, can we at least admit we don't see near this hysteria without the 4 last second decommits that no one could plan for when Venables left

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Re: So, we make an uncommitable offer just so


Jan 2, 2022, 5:43 PM

Don't think anyone is talking uncommitted offer. What I got from judge is tell the kid, we are taking 3 WR in this class, we've offered 5 WR. We'll take the first 3 that commit. Not sure how it's different than when I sold real estate. If I showed a property and they didn't buy but said they'd be back... Should I wait? Or if I show the property to someone else, should I tell them be patient, I'm waiting on the be backs?

Same with QB... We had 2 offers out and got extremely lucky. So if qb1 commits then was cades offer an uncommitted offer or would we have taken both?

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That's not how it works


Jan 2, 2022, 5:52 PM

Bama has 221 offers out. You really believe they are first come, first serve? Most of those offers are uncommitable as they will wait on higher rated players to make their decision. That's how it works.

As for our 81, I'd say none are uncommitable. But instead of issuing a bunch of offers we won't take an immediate commitment on, we tell those kids be patient, an offer may come. Like we did with Williams and now Turner and likely Lawson.

Georgia has 50 decommits the last 5 years. Reason is they finally get a commitment from the higher rated player then tell the lower rated commit to pound sand. I can assure you we won't be doing it that way either.

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What part of middle ground do you not understand?


Jan 2, 2022, 7:17 PM

You people are dense and dumb!

Twisting yourself into pretzels to make excuses.

We are not as good as we were a few years ago. If you can’t see that you don’t understand football. Dabo has not changed but the game has. He gives lipservice to the portal but until he uses it it means nothing.

You people are like in a cult. The cult of Dabo!

You’re behaving exactly like brainwashed liberals. You see climate change and all this other BS as a religion. Yuri Bezmenov explained in the 1980s how the KGB does this. The elites in this country are communist and authoritarians. As he stated in his interview back in 1984 no matter how much proof you show people even when it is undeniable to anyone that is rational people will not believe it. Once brainwashed you can’t see the truth. It is exactly like living in a cult. The modern democratic party is a cult!

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No, i get it


Jan 2, 2022, 7:56 PM

No National Championship in 3 years and we are slipping bad. Lordy, Jawja must be in the abyss.

It's actually those like you who deal in the panic #### that are oblivious. You see a millisecond. Some of us just look at the larger picture and understand things ebb and flow, but the foundation is still Rock solid

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Re: So, we make an uncommitable offer just so


Jan 2, 2022, 7:52 PM [ in reply to So, we make an uncommitable offer just so ]

How many of the offers already sent out are uncomittable? Seems like a ton to me.

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If you look at the rankings on our offers it's pretty elite


Jan 2, 2022, 8:41 PM

Almost all 4-5 stars. If one wants to commit, I'm sure we'd take it. Next year was always going to be a large class

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Re: You do realize that there is a middle ground, right?


Jan 2, 2022, 5:27 PM [ in reply to You do realize that there is a middle ground, right? ]

You just love cultivating this climate of disrespect and impatience with our football program don’t you.

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I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:32 PM

It’s concerning that you got that from my post.

I’m advocating for Clemson football to effectively manage the current environment consisting of the transfer portal and NIL.

I believe we can do that by building on our great foundation of recent success, excellent facilities, good academics, and strong team culture, while realizing that we must adapt in the way we offer scholarships, utilize the portal, and manage the roster. We can do this with the utmost integrity and honesty while still doing what’s best for our program.

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Re: I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:37 PM

I wouldn't bother arguing with this poster. They genuinely believe that I'm trying to get convince Dabo to change his coaching philosophy with my topic. They also speculate that I'm trying to hurt the football program with my posts. You can't reason with this level of delusion.

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Re: I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:46 PM

Let’s address the idea of delusion. How many posts do you think there have been on this topic? More than a few? many? How many are necessary? Again, things should be done with a goal. Even rhetoric should be done with intention. If there is no intention, why are you doing it? So when you redundantly post things is it a complete lack of self control or do you believe your effecting change? I’m genuinely curious. Or do you believe you’ve stumbled onto a truly novel view of our program? Because that would be delusional.

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Re: I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:41 PM [ in reply to I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program. ]

Your third paragraph sounds totally reasonable. So, my sincere question is, how do you believe your posting on TNet about our “roster management” (to cover the topic broadly) actually helps that goal? More specifically, how do all your snide replies and memes which imply that things are not being done this way help the cause? Because it seems like you believe that our program is in decline (you’ve said such explicitly) and seem to think we aren’t going to reverse that course (you’ve also said as much). So it’s hard to take your previous comment with any seriousness.

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Re: I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program.


Jan 3, 2022, 12:19 AM

Judge Keller®

^ no reply to the above huh? You’ve mostly reverted to sarcastic quips expressing no confidence in the program. “We’re in for a rude awakening” certainly implies you don’t, in fact, believe Dabo will do what’s necessary.

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Re: I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program.


Jan 3, 2022, 3:53 PM

Just saw your post. My response to your previous post is linked here:

https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/here-you-go-viztiz-30143904#30143904


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Jan 3, 2022, 3:51 PM [ in reply to Re: I’m not advocating for disrespect or impatience with our football program. ]

I don't think my posts on TigerNet, or anyone else's, helps with roster management. We are just fans who share a common bond of loving Clemson sports, wanting to see our teams succeed, and enjoying discussing those topics.

I am a bit taken aback by your concern over my "snide replies and memes," when the overwhelming majority of your posts are personal attacks against posters you don't like, and not actually about Clemson sports. Are you equally as critical of the content of your own posts?

More specifically, I do believe our football program is trending in a bad direction. We hit our peak several years ago when we won our last national championship and routed Alabama 44-16. Since then, we have obviously had two great seasons where we won our conference and made the playoffs. Unfortunately, both of those appearances highlighted some concerns, resulting in blowout losses.

As is human nature, those poor showings in the playoffs were chalked up to a bad game, and we consoled ourselves with reminders that we still had great seasons, and have two recent national championships. However, with our year this year, some of those shortcomings from previous seasons became more amplified.

I said all year that I didn't think that Dabo knew how to fix our offensive woes. Unfortunately, I was right. I also said that I believed that he would ultimately figure it out, but that it might take a while. I know a lot of people here are counting on linemen who are a year older and a true freshman QB to make everything right again, but that's asking a lot. Even if our line is stellar, and even if Cade is as good as Trevor Lawrence, that still puts us about the same as we were when we were blown out by LSU and Ohio State. And if we're honest, our line next year isn't likely to be much better than it was this year, and Cade isn't going to be ready to be the starter and play like a superstar next year.

I have real concerns about our depth. As you know, we are in real danger of not filling our allotted 85 scholarships. It seems that if we do, it will only be because we awarded scholarships to marginally talented players who are deemed "diamonds in the rough," or simply promoted walk-ons to scholarship players.

Yes, we have some incredible talent on our roster, which is a testament to Dabo & Co.'s ability to recruit well. But it's troubling that some of our super talented recruits haven't developed as hoped. Some have even regressed. That's concerning. Who is going to coach these players up, if the current staff couldn't? Dabo didn't even consider outside hires. When those top tier players don't contribute as expected, whether due to subpar coaching or simply a recruiting miss, we must have talent behind them to fill in. "Next man up" has been the mantra all along, right? That's the reason given for pulling starters early and playing backups. That didn't seem to help us much this year, despite being significantly more talented than 12 of our 13 opponents this year.

I certainly think we can reverse course and return to a playoff team, but to feel better about doing that I would've liked to see a few things:

-Earlier adoption of the transfer portal. We are late to the party here.
-A shift in recruiting philosophy to include us making more offers. I am all for making scholarship offers that are committable and done with respect for the recruit and his family. However, offering a prized recruit and waiting until dangerously late in the game for his choice, only to be left without much in the way of a backup plan, is unfair to the players who are already on the team. Perhaps more pressure needs to be put on the priority targets. Encourage them to take visits as needed, but let them know that because we are all about commitment, they should know within a reasonable time frame if they are as committed to Clemson as we are to them. Place a deadline on their decision, with the assurance that we will start recruiting and offering other players at their position after a certain date. That is being fair to everyone involved, while also remaining loyal to our #1 priority - the Clemson football program.
-Consideration of outside coaching hires. For Dabo to not even consider, or interview, coaches who have excelled at the high major level is disappointing. I get that he had his succession plan in place for both OC and DC, but given the importance of these hires he really should've conducted a normal job search. If we want to return to elite status, we can't simply promote from within for such vital hires without considering other options. Dabo's hires the last few years appear to fill the requirements for being good people who care about Clemson, but are questionable based on the main job description which is football coach. They appear underqualified if our goal is to be an elite program.

Of course, Dabo is the coach who has led us to our best decade in Clemson football history. He knows how to build a program. But remember, he built our program very differently than he is running it now. This doesn't mean that his recent decisions won't work. I sincerely believe he is confident they will. But you can't blame fans for wondering what is going on when we have clearly slipped, and Dabo's solution looks nothing like his previous one did. It also doesn't seem to account for the changing landscape in college football.

I hope this helps clear up some of my positions regarding our football program. I just want to see our program be elite again, and my concern is that the farther we get from our last national championship and the momentum that generated, the harder it will be to return to the top of the mountain.

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No, I want what’s best for Clemson football.


Jan 2, 2022, 6:43 PM

You’re welcome to hang your hat on 44-16 if you want, but since then we have gotten our butts handed to us in the playoffs twice, fell well short of expectations, are currently having our worst recruiting class in years, and are in danger of filling a chunk of our 85 scholarships with players who are not Clemson material.

HTH.

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Look how many people are transferring out under our


Jan 2, 2022, 4:33 PM [ in reply to Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

Cumbayah approach ?

We gotta have more numbers any way you slice it.

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Our number of transfers isnt even middle of the pack


Jan 2, 2022, 5:07 PM

It's way less than many, many schools.

Question is do we want to force guys in to the portal? That's what Bama is doing

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Correct. And that’s all well and good BUT….


Jan 2, 2022, 5:15 PM

We are still LOSING 7-8 per year to the portal while taking in ZERO from the portal. It’s math.

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Well there are soon to be 14 from Bama in the portal


Jan 2, 2022, 5:32 PM

maybe one of them will be the one ??

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Re: Correct. And that’s all well and good BUT….


Jan 2, 2022, 5:34 PM [ in reply to Correct. And that’s all well and good BUT…. ]

You’re argument is a fallacy as it actually effects the team. 7-8 lost to zero gained sounds really dramatic. Geez how will we ever field a team in 4 years. But we’re actually losing 1-2 players a years who might have ever seen significant playing time and have, until now, replaced them with means other then “the portal.” Dabo has already acknowledged that he will have to begin to look at the portal. So what exactly do you want besides spilling more digital tears all over this forum. Do you really want a coach that responds to the drivel on this board? How do you guys deal with adversity in your real lives because this is pathetic.

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Re: Correct. And that’s all well and good BUT….


Jan 2, 2022, 5:36 PM

This is just message board chatter. You're the one overreacting here.

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Re: Correct. And that’s all well and good BUT….


Jan 2, 2022, 5:41 PM

“Boo boo my coach is doing the thing I want him to do, exactly the way I him to do it, and communicating it to me publicly every step of the way” and I’m overreacting. And yes, it’s a message. My complaints about your complaints hold equal weight. At least I’m not bashing the program.

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But we’re losing so so many more than before the portal


Jan 2, 2022, 5:42 PM [ in reply to Our number of transfers isnt even middle of the pack ]

It doesn’t matter what other schools are doing.

We have depth issues at WR, TE, QB .. T

Are we just going to lay down and run out of players ? People are going to continue to leave. We’re the best at keeping players and graduating guys… it’s still affecting us.

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We have 8 WR on scholarship for next year


Jan 2, 2022, 6:11 PM

we normally run 9. And we have offers out for the 9th.

We have 4 TE on scholarship for next year. We had 5 this year.

We have 6 true T and others who can play it on scholarship for next year.

QB, we're light. The portal is going to make back up QB's extremely difficult to have quality back ups here. You know that. And our preferred walk on now scholarship back up Helms was at least a 3 star recruit.

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All those position groups


Jan 2, 2022, 8:15 PM

Could have young guys to step up and help them

They need it. We haven’t had a good all around TE in a long time. If we’re taking projects like Galloway and Ajou we better take more of them.

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Allen is an excellent TE, he'll be drafted next year


Jan 2, 2022, 8:48 PM

Briningstool was a high 4 star recruit. Our problems weren't at TE this year

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Re: Allen is an excellent TE, he'll be drafted next year


Jan 3, 2022, 12:00 AM

Allen is a good TE. He’s all we had. Hopefully bringingstool is as good as advertised but he didn’t contribute

We need depth and actual tight ends. Not guys who can’t block or can’t catch.

We need a healthy competition at every position. We are going to leave out 10 competitors that could help push our team and provide depth ?

We should be at 85-90

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We actually are at 9 WR next year


Jan 2, 2022, 10:52 PM [ in reply to We have 8 WR on scholarship for next year ]

as it stands now

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Re: Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit


Jan 2, 2022, 4:35 PM [ in reply to Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

That IS how bama, and others, operate. They tell those 14 who aren’t cutting it that they need to move on where they can compete. It’s a tryout/cutthroat culling process, but amazingly doesn’t give those programs a bad rep somehow. I prefer how Dabo does it but one could argue it’s a handicap. Over signing should not be allowed IMO.

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Re: Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit


Jan 2, 2022, 5:03 PM

Outside of Bama, who makes this approach better than our approach?

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At the current rate


Jan 2, 2022, 5:45 PM

Ohio state , UGA and probably Oklahoma will pass us.

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Re: At the current rate


Jan 2, 2022, 6:28 PM

We have more Natty's the past 6 years than those 3 schools combined. LOL.

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The key takeaway here was


Jan 2, 2022, 8:16 PM

“Will pass”

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And our superior accomplishments from several years ago


Jan 2, 2022, 11:21 PM [ in reply to Re: At the current rate ]

mean mostly nothing when it comes to this discussion.

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Re: Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit


Jan 2, 2022, 5:00 PM [ in reply to Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

In the current system, you have no choice but to stay heavy on numbers. I'd say 90? The transfer portal is open until May 1st. After during practice we and everyone else will lose 2 to 3 more players that do not win starting jobs. So if we get 5 new signees before spring and then lose 2? We would still be around 75 towards our 85. I'm sorry but thos tbat fail to adapt will he left behind. That is not agreeing with the sytem, but we want to win right? Or is it becoming intramuralls at Ckemson?

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At 76 now I believe so by your math of


Jan 2, 2022, 11:44 PM

the +5 minus 2 then that’s 79. We all know 2-3 will. be additional walkons that will get 1 year deals as they always do. That’s 82 so that leaves 3 openings for transfers. But again that assumes 2 additional transfers out- you can’t make offers to those until that actually happens.

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Re: Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit


Jan 2, 2022, 6:20 PM [ in reply to Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

striperfan said:

come beginning of 2nd semester. That means 14 guys with eligibility have to leave their current roster.

Is that really how you want us to operate?




That's the part so many people don't get. It's now a game of robbing peter to pay paul.

In our case, I see what the OP is suggesting as we wouldn't have to do that since we are short.

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Re: Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit


Jan 3, 2022, 1:24 PM [ in reply to Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

striperfan said:

come beginning of 2nd semester. That means 14 guys with eligibility have to leave their current roster.

Is that really how you want us to operate?




Not that I want Clemson to operate that way...but lets at least take Bama's year in year out consistent results into consideration.

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well we are 14 under


Jan 3, 2022, 1:26 PM [ in reply to Bama wil be 14 over the 85 scholarship limit ]

something in between might be better. Certainly we will lose some more before next season.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:24 PM

We are going to find out whether Dabo is the smartest guy in the room or if he came along at the right time with a story and the game changed from checkers to chess...We won't have to wait long...

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:27 PM

Don't you love these negative recruiting gurus that have no experience, evidently, with recruiting but they know more than those who do.

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It doesn’t take a genius to see we need


Jan 2, 2022, 4:36 PM

More players on scholarship.

It’s pretty basic math. We’re putting ourselves behind the 8 ball.

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I remember the days before the 85


Jan 2, 2022, 4:53 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

Scholly limit. I am really having a hard time understanding how we could be 13 under and so many of you think its great.

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Who has stated it's great?


Jan 2, 2022, 5:43 PM

Folks like me are saying let it play out.

Bama has 221 offers out for 2022. How many are commutable? What good is a non commitable offer?

So we can start making a ton of non commitable offers, or, do as we do. Make offers to those who we'll accept a commitment from today and simply tell those we would make uncommitable offers to be patient.

See, that's another thing changing. There are more uncommitted/unsigned guys for February available this year, and will be a ton more in 2022 who wait out the inevitable portal departures and get the chance to play at the school they really want to play at

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My God we do this all the time


Jan 2, 2022, 10:06 PM

offer multiple kids at a position and tell them the first to commit has the offer.

Minus 13 for scholarships is going to bite us in the ###.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:25 PM

My goodness I don’t know how you are getting any sleep at all with this comparison. Luckily the university has competent people on salary to work on this very thing. Coincidence? Probably not.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:26 PM



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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:30 PM

Just waiting for the "COOT!" comment to occur.

The official response of someone with no argument.

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COOT!***


Jan 2, 2022, 4:31 PM



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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:35 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

As Judge Keller® had done, I'll also indulge you.

COOT!

You're welcome.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 5:39 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

Did you make an argument? You made a few factual observations then complained about your concerns. I don’t see a real argument here. What exactly do you want to see happen? Or you deranged enough to think Dabo is going to respond to your complaints directly. You must have some intended goal and unfortunately the only one I can see is to spread discontent about our program. That certainly won’t have a negative effect. So please let me know, exactly, what you want to happen and how you want it’s implementation communicated to you and I’ll try to form an actual counter-argument.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 5:53 PM

Yes, my argument was to send out more offers than the low number we currently send out.

Now, on to your second point, which is completely idiotic, but sadly seems to be very prevalent on TNet. This is a place for Clemson fans to talk about Clemson sports. No, I don't believe Dabo will respond to my post, nor do I want him to. Your conspiracy theory about this post is delusional.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 6:07 PM

How many posts do you think need to be made on the subject? And my reaction to your comment is as much discussing Clemson sports as your op.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
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142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 6:16 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

For someone who some think knows so much, your post are mostly perplexing, for a Clemson fan/man!

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This post is spot on


Jan 2, 2022, 4:47 PM

I see you've already gotten the coot comment so you must be on to something.

I don't have a problem with offering less kids but being stubborn with the portal is head scratching to me.

I mean could we not find a WR out there better than Swinney? Ladson and Nagata played a handful of games between them in two seasons and Ross was a risk to play.

Oh, and don't get me started on QB.

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Re: This post is spot on


Jan 2, 2022, 10:25 PM

Fine, based on your post, simply don’t get started.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:48 PM

The sky is falling.

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Got to hand it to the OP


Jan 2, 2022, 4:51 PM

He's got y'all pegged with these type of responses.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 4:55 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

I always appreciate comments that don't address any of my points.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 5:10 PM

My guess is that they are just following their tribal instincts and lack the critical thinking skills to post an honest rebuttal.

Sadly, that's a large contingent on TNET.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 5:13 PM

Your pulse will be looking like mine if you keep this up.

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I could give a crap. Sick of posters with their thin-skin


Jan 2, 2022, 10:12 PM

I have been on Tnet since 95. You can disagree and thumbs down all you want, but my God, at least try and put two thoughts together and make a coherent counter.

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Ironic post much?***


Jan 2, 2022, 7:11 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]



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Jstone D329 - “ It’s ok to want a coaching change”
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1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


I don't think you have enough command of the English


Jan 2, 2022, 10:14 PM

language to try any type of critical linguistic post analysis. It never stops you though.

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As I’ve said recently, these folks are likely in for a rude awakening


Jan 2, 2022, 11:31 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

when we don’t make the playoffs next year.

They seem to think that this year was just a rare anomaly, due to DJ having a bad year and the team being bitten by the injury bug, and that next year things will return to normal with us in the playoffs.

They don’t realize how far we fell this year, and that fall started a couple of years ago. A lot of stuff needs to get fixed if we truly want to compete for national championships again.

If these issues don’t get fixed, the best we can hope for is to steamroll the ACC by overpowering ACC teams with far superior talent, and then getting embarrassed again in the playoffs when we play an elite team.

I sure hope I’m wrong.

There are of course some here who have concerns. Many of them are already starting to make excuses in advance if we don’t quickly return to the playoffs. Those excuses typically include Clemson not having the funding to compete with other schools for NIL deals, as well as the portal keeping Dabo from running the program he wants to run. And of course the accusation that the top programs are cheating.

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Re: The SEC: Where it Just Means More (worthless schollies)


Jan 2, 2022, 4:49 PM

At least a Clemson scholarship offer means something.

Dabo can always emphasize the fact that a Clemson scholarship offer means something.

The smart kids will realize that Dabo is telling the truth, whereas the SEC coaches who say 'but but but we REALLY mean it when we say we're saving a TRUE scholarship offer for you' can only fool the self-deluded or not-too-smart kids.

Is it any wonder that those high end HS players that do come to Clemson are more likely to be good citizens and get something out of their education than the Antonio Brown types?

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Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that


Jan 2, 2022, 5:00 PM

He’s set in his way of doing things, which can be really good and really bad in some cases. Venables and Elliott have already been actively making moves in the transfer portal, so that proves it’s Dabo alone stopping Clemson from doing the same.

At the end of the day, Dabo has to either evolve or this program will get left behind.

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Re: Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that


Jan 2, 2022, 5:06 PM

We all know Dabo says he would never take criticism from someone he wouldn’t seek advice from so that proves at the end of the day you can just move along….

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Yeah, he’s got to make sure he’s gonna prove us stupid


Jan 2, 2022, 5:07 PM

Fans wrong. The same fans that donate money and show
Up to cheer for the team.

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Re: Yeah, he’s got to make sure he’s gonna prove us stupid


Jan 2, 2022, 5:13 PM

Highly doubt that is providing any motivation for Dabo to make the decisions he is making. Sorry but it is probably not about you.

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I think Dabo feels his best when it’s Dabo against


Jan 2, 2022, 8:25 PM

The world. He loves it!

The Roy bus. We’re ungrateful. All that.


I am very grateful! I never thought I’d see us win a title.

We are on a downward trajectory the last few years and now we have less players than our competitors.

I hope Dabo shocks me and and wins another Natty. I really really do.

Of course this isn’t about me.. this is about Dabo.

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Re: Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that


Jan 2, 2022, 5:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that ]

This is a Clemson blog made for fans to talk about Clemson sports. I understand Dabo doesn't care about my opinion, so you can move along.

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Re: Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that


Jan 2, 2022, 5:15 PM

That comment was actually in response to coolbreeze but if you’re feeling guilty….

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Re: Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that


Jan 2, 2022, 5:19 PM

It was a dumb response. Who it was for is irrelevant.

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No substance in your response.***


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Re: Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that


Jan 2, 2022, 6:19 PM [ in reply to Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that ]

CoolBreeze864®, with your statement that "Dabo has to either evolve or the program will be left behind" implies that if Dabo doesn't change the scholarship strategy to make meaningless scholarship offers (ala UGA, Alabama, Oklahoma, & OH State), then Clemson will be left behind.

What you and others that agree with you are implying is that Clemson is being left behind.

I'll argue the opposite: Clemson has started a cultural paradigm where a scholarship offer actually means that the HS athlete actually has a scholarship if he accepts, and that this philosophy helps Clemson in recruiting high end HS athletes far more than it hurts us.

BTW, it is not just UGA, Bama, Oklahoma, & OH State that do this 'numerous but worthless' scholarship offers regimen ... the NC States, U of S.Carolinas, Auburns, Mississippi States, Tennessees of the world also do it.

(?) Why don't these also-ran programs (which no one in their right mind would argue as being in Clemson's solar system) win big like the 'big four' to which the OP had referred?

Here's the answer: Clemson appeals to the smart big time HS athlete that recognizes Dabo's sincerity and fair intentions when making scholarship offers. Sure, there are a lot of HS athletes that are too eaten-up with themselves to realize that the BS 'scholarship offers' from other programs may be just that ... BS. But the smart ones are skeptical, and for those smart high end HS athletes, Clemson will appeal on a competitive basis vs. the Bama / UGA / OK / OH States. If we gave out meaningless scholarship offers, we would more likely decline to the level of NC State / Tennessee / U of S.Carolina than we would be to elevate to the Bama / UGA / OK / OH State programs.

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Re: Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that


Jan 2, 2022, 7:34 PM

Good points. Don’t forget Dabo is recruiting Momma’s as much or more than smart skeptical players. How many Clemson players do we hear saying they got their degree because they promised their mom they would? Dabo’s style and sincerity will always appeal to parents. They know only 1.6% of college players make the NFL. If their kid comes here they have a 4 year commitment from Dabo if they work hard and keep their nose clean. At Bama and UGA it’s a one year commitment , and only make the second year IF they are good enough, and prob 10-20% don’t each year. You are correct in that Dabo’s strategy is genius and will continue to appeal, I think even in NIL times. We are short this year because of crazy coaching changes.

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We were going to have a numbers issue regardless


Jan 2, 2022, 7:41 PM

Of us losing coaching staff. It’s been discussed a lot throughout the year because…… NEWSFLASH it didnt take a rocket scientist to see this coming.

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UVa had over 20 in the portal before Tony got there


Jan 2, 2022, 6:20 PM [ in reply to Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that ]

he has no choice. OU lost their starting TE...to the coots! Brent replaced him.

We've lost zero starters to the portal

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Clemson is being left behind***


Jan 2, 2022, 9:12 PM [ in reply to Dabo is a stubborn man, we all know that ]



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There's something in these hills.


For years I've read about over-offering with recruits


Jan 2, 2022, 5:10 PM

understanding they might not make the cut.

My tendency in this football-cutthroat society in which we live would be to take the lead in offering. I, also, wouldn't hesitate to consider deftly the portal. But that's just me.

Since no one at Clemson has nor will seek my input, then my opinions are and will remain just that...opinions. Hence, I have little, if any, choice but to rely on our staff and wish them the best.

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And my response would be


Jan 2, 2022, 6:54 PM

what good is an offer you're not taking a commitment on today? You really believe of those 221 offers Bama already has out they are ready to take a commitment on all of them?

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Agree ??, adapt to the NEW college football game or die ….***


Jan 2, 2022, 5:15 PM



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Tell 'em u7c coot, no one knows losing better than you


Jan 2, 2022, 5:47 PM

30-0

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Hell, we're not even competing with the top 8 in this current course****


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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 6:07 PM

Shaw “flipping” to UNC hurt.
I don’t want to see Clemson hand out 200 offers. We had 4 or 5 DL offers out. We just whiffed on them.

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Fortunately, Dabo reads every post on Tigernet, so..


Jan 2, 2022, 6:08 PM

I fully expect that he will contact you ASAP to offer you at least an analyst job. It was very astute of you to do the research and from that devise a course of action. And be sure to turn your meter on.

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Very, very happy- very, very proud.


Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 6:12 PM

Receiving a Bama offer is like me getting the number of a girl... it's real about 20% of the time

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 6:12 PM

You do realize how tiring it is to hear this same RANT over and over and over and over and over and over and over?

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 6:45 PM

When we had top five and top ten recruiting classes all of Tigernet was in a mad celebration. Ticker tapes parades were thrown and the recruits were paraded around during halftime ceremonies at the BB games. Now that we are not even sniffing the top 30 some say it's not important, stars don't matter, and our last two commits will be great. And when someone try's to have a rational discussion about what went wrong, he's blasted for bashing the coach or not being a true fan. Makes no sense. It's simply a discussion with lot's of good points made - some critical, and some trying to explain why there should be no critique nor concern. The board is for fans to vent. None of them make 9 million per year nor have any input into any of these decisions. Never have been able to connect the dots on this board. Any critique of anything is simply not allowed without ruffling feathers. IMO we will survive this down recruiting year and next season looks promising. Two years in a row with a class outside the top thirty and we will be scratching and clawing just to win our half of the conference. Hope we get the boat turned as Georgia, Bama, and all the NIL money schools are racking up tremendous classes.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 6:56 PM

I agree. We can survive this class, but we're in trouble if this happens again in 2023.

Right now we're trying to hype ourselves up about signing Nolan Turner's brother. It's very concerning.

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It really is.


Jan 2, 2022, 10:21 PM

No one here seems to care that we are down to 4th tier WR recruits when we have probably the top WRs in the NFL right now.

Shouldn't we be able to leverage that? We had to go and hire another yes-man as WR coach who is not recruiting or developing what we got well. I said it.

Seeing Swinney on the field probably did nothing to stop rival recruits from pointing out what's going on in Tiger Town.

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Our 2021 class isn’t sniffing the top 30?


Jan 2, 2022, 7:11 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

Did I read that correctly?

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Speaking of sniffing......


Jan 2, 2022, 10:32 PM

Am I correct in that you read through all these posts and this is what you sniffed out to comment on?

I know you carry the torch for all those who deem any criticism of Clemson football blasphemy but can you do better than this?

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And by the way, 24th is a sniff away from 30th


Jan 2, 2022, 10:39 PM

https://247sports.com/college/clemson/Season/2022-Football/Commits/

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Re: And by the way, 24th is a sniff away from 30th


Jan 2, 2022, 11:44 PM

Posters like Francis Marion aren't interested in having a genuine discussion. That's why 90% of his posts are just sarcastic quips. He doesn't want to acknowledge the iceberg this program is headed for if adjustments aren't made.

It's easier to just ignore the roster mismanagement, poor recruiting, and decline in performance the past few seasons.


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He is a one trick pony


Jan 3, 2022, 12:19 AM

that's for sure. But with a great sense of humor, I might add.

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Ok, now hold on...


Jan 3, 2022, 11:11 AM [ in reply to Re: And by the way, 24th is a sniff away from 30th ]

I've posted facts until my fingers have bled. In fact, I sometimes feel like I'm one of only a handful of posters who actually use google before they post something as fact. And just because someone doesn't react the same way as you doesn't mean they don't care. When things don't go well, it's really easy to over simplify an issue and latch on to one solution, unfortunately, that seldom works. It's more of a coping mechanism. As is worrying excessively about a situation that is out of our hands. It's a way for us to feel like we are exerting some level of control, which eases our anxiety. And I don't mean those as slights or insults, it's just human nature.

So on to your points...

1) The majority of our roster issues have little to do with mismanagement. This year is the result of several things, "super seniors", injury, and coaching changes have played a part in that. We have lost some to the portal, but the vast majority of those were because of playing time. People are shouting "portal" but very few have any working knowledge of how that works or how it will affect the recruiting plan in place.

2) Recruiting has been very good. This year's class is still very strong (as high as #11 by at least one service) despite several decommitments resulting from the coaching changes, and it's not over. But don't take my word for it regarding poor recruiting, here are the actual numbers...

2009: 37th
2010: 19th
2011: 8th
2012: 14th
2013: 14th
2014: 13th
2015: 4th
2016: 6th
2017: 22nd
2018: 8th
2019: 9th
2020: 2nd
2021: 7th
~ Per Rivals

3) I disagree on performance. We have been pretty consistent in fact. This year we had a "bad" year I guess, (10-3), but the two years prior to that we made the NCG and the Playoffs. And this bad year was the result of several factors, not just one or even two. We are extremely young this season, we didn't have a "go to guy" at any skill position coming back, we lost a tremendous number of players/snaps to injury, we had a star QB who underachieved (we can debate the reasons). In 19 we lost to a team that is now a dumpster fire and under NCCA investigation. In 2020 we lost to a team that played their best game in a decade against us. OSU wanted us badly, and they won. They went on to get drilled in the NCG though. Neither of those teams have won their conference, or made the playoffs since.

Here is the bottom line, Dabo knows more about running a college football program than all of tnet, combined. He knows more than you. He knows more than me. That's not to say he can't make mistakes, we all do. That's not to say he won't be wrong sometimes, we all are. And that's not to say we are idiots and can't see things ourselves. But the guy is a professional, and one of the best in his field. I trust that he is making the adjustments he feels are needed and that they will be for the betterment of our program. Me complaining relentlessly does not change that, nor does it mean my head is in the sand. And "sarcastic quips" don't mean I can't or won't discuss a topic, but to me being funny (or attempting to be) is more endearing than being a complainer, especially when the other person clearly just wants to argue. It's just how I'm wired. And the style of posting you do is a byproduct of how you're wired. There's no right or wrong way.

And finally, this response is way too long and nobody wants to read a wall of crap like this. Quick and to the point is usually much better, for me at least.





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I appreciate the post but you really should Google your facts


Jan 3, 2022, 11:19 AM

again before you make a 7th ranked recruiting class a huge part of your argument. Maybe put a 3 front of the 7.

But that's right, our recruiting class is ranked 37th!!

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2022/all-teams/football


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See there, I didn't list the 2022 class ranking for Rivals..


Jan 3, 2022, 11:32 AM

because 2022 is incomplete. The 7 was for 2021, as noted. With that said, I did mention that the current class, while incomplete, is ranked as high as number 11 at this point by at least one service...

https://www.on3.com/db/rankings/consensus-team/football/2022/


Now what do we do?

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that's 2022 and it's not done yet


Jan 3, 2022, 11:34 AM [ in reply to I appreciate the post but you really should Google your facts ]

also, just a reminder Rivals just totals points of like the highest 22 guys(I believe that is the number). Anytime you have less than that # you are taking a hit to those who sign more. Which is about the stupidest thing you can do considering all these teams that constantly oversign are getting credit for guys who never show up in their program and those that never stay. Given 5 recruiting classes(not counting the 6th that created by the Covid bubble) that is 110 guys they are giving these schools credit for when only 85 can be on a roster. I would say if you are going to believe in a recruiting ranking(and there are obvious faults to that) then you should be taking the stars and adding them up for their 2 deep or top 70 as that is about the max that will see meaningful time on any team.

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^ This guy gets it.***


Jan 3, 2022, 11:40 AM



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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Not a knock...


Jan 3, 2022, 11:53 AM [ in reply to I appreciate the post but you really should Google your facts ]

but this is typically what happens when you try to have genuine football conversation with someone who complains that you won't have genuine football conversation with them. You get ghosted. Again, not a slight, just telling you how these things usually go.

That's why sarcastic quips are so attractive.

PS: Thanks for the complement above about my sense of humor.




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Re: Ok, now hold on...


Jan 3, 2022, 12:29 PM [ in reply to Ok, now hold on... ]

1) Yes, the roster has been mismanaged: Mark May, Will Brown, Drew Swinney, Will Sweeney, Luke Price, and Carson Donnelly are 6 walk-ons that received scholarships. No offense to them, but they are not players that should be on a program of Clemson's caliber. Those 6 scholarships could have gone to a player that can significantly contribute. Swinney needs to take into account that injuries occur, and we need talented depth.

2) No, recruiting is not good. We've signed 12 players and are currently short of the 85 man limit. We have not signed a single DL in this class either. We're essentially imposting sanctions on ourself for no reason. The scary part is Swinney will likely give scholarships to lower caliber players to reach the 85 limit.

3) As for performance, you have on orange-colored glasses if you can't see the decline these past few seasons. Our record has gotten worse every year since 44-16. This is obvious.

Dabo took us to the top. I hope he can keep us there, but he has not adjusted well to modern CFB. It's not 2018 anymore.

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Let's agree to disagree on some of the points...


Jan 3, 2022, 12:34 PM

Now what do you want to do?

PS: Low class numbers thus far for this year are not an indication of poor recruiting. We had decommitments due to the loss of coaches. It happens.



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Re: Let's agree to disagree on some of the points...


Jan 3, 2022, 12:38 PM

Move on with our lives

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That’s true. We haven’t heard much of the “we too deep” and WRU stuff


Jan 2, 2022, 11:38 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022 ]

in a while.

Now it’s all about stars don’t matter, culture, and blaming NIL.

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"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


There is a decline and we are seeing it


Jan 2, 2022, 11:44 PM

but why isn't anyone else?

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but do they have culture though?


Jan 2, 2022, 7:11 PM

id rather put in a walk on who would never make it at any other school because hes a good kid and has heart..than have a 5 star guy to sub in his place.

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We should take troubled utes as well


Jan 2, 2022, 9:01 PM

They’re the ones that need saving.

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Quality, not quantity


Jan 2, 2022, 7:12 PM

Trust the process!

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Re: Quality, not quantity


Jan 2, 2022, 7:43 PM

247 has us 5th based on quality - average stars. That may drop some as we sign some lower rated recruits in the home stretch.

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Re: Quality, not quantity


Jan 2, 2022, 9:02 PM

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2022/all-teams/football

Well, unfortunately, Rivals has us at #37 with the twelve commits. Lawson (3 star) and Turner (0 star - unrated - but will move to 2 stars once he signs) are not going to move the needle. Are there some good players in the Dandy Dozen? Heck Yes. We just need about double the number at the same star ranking to approach what the upper tier is doing. Rivals will adjust these rankings after the second signing period. We won't be the only team adding more players (shocking, I know). When the dust settles we will likely be outside the top 30. Yes, I also see that 24/7 has us way up at #24. Their formula is weighted more heavily to the player ratings and not cumulative points like Rivals. Gamecocks are at #20 on 24/7 if that's any comfort. As we add lower rated players we will slide down on this site as well. Slice it any way you wish - it's not a good class and a far cry from our #1 class (well, it was #1 for a while in one service but I don't think we finished there - still a consensus top 3 class). 2022 is only one year which does not make a trend.

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I hope you let Dabo know that we are on the verge of


Jan 2, 2022, 8:08 PM

collapse. Hope he'll figure out what he's doing. Then maybe we'll have some success.

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You’ll be called a coot or a Dabo hater


Jan 2, 2022, 9:14 PM

Because that’s what many on this board like to say but I believe you have a valid point.

Our roster numbers are horrible this year and it’s because our recruiting classes are so small. We need a higher number coming in every year. No doubt about that.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 2, 2022, 10:15 PM

All those offers are not committable.

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Is Alabama gonna sign 221 kids in 2022?


Jan 3, 2022, 12:10 AM

I think the limit is still 25 per year. Don’t understand the point of comparing the number of offers given out when such a high percentage are uncomittable offers

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We are vastly superior to those programs


Jan 3, 2022, 12:15 AM

Because we offer fewer uncommitable scholarships

ESPN can’t stop talking about it

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And since you called me out by name...


Jan 3, 2022, 11:26 AM

Only one of the tams you listed has won a NC in the past 7 years, and half haven't won one in over 20 years. I repeat, half of the teams you listed as teams we won't be able to compete with haven't won a NC in over 20 years. In fact, 75% of the teams you listed didn't even win their conference this season. So aside from Alabama, which one are you suggesting we model ourselves after? Because I would suggest OSU, OU, and UGA should consider trying it our way, not the other way around.

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Re: And since you called me out by name...


Jan 3, 2022, 12:06 PM

It's 2022 now, not 2018. The landscape has changed significantly the past few years.

2018: NC
2019: Lose NC
2020: Lose 1st round of the playoff
2021: Win Cheez it bowl

Our way has worked in the past, but the game has changed. As of right now, UGA and OSU are in better positions than we are. Also, isn't it funny that Venables and Elliot started using the portal immediately upon arriving at their new school?

I'll emphasis, we've signed 12 players. This class will hurt us badly in a few seasons if we don't add numbers to it.

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So which one did you decide you want us to emulate?


Jan 3, 2022, 12:13 PM

I missed the part where you answered the genuine football discussion question I posed.

And I don't think I would call BV and TE using the portal funny, I'd say they have a roster to fill with players that fit their systems and they know the talent they have is not up to par. I wouldn't say that's evidence that they disagree with Dabo's approach to the portal.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Again...


Jan 3, 2022, 12:24 PM [ in reply to Re: And since you called me out by name... ]

Complains people don't want to have genuine football conversation, even calls them out by name, then ghosts posters who are attempting to have a genuine football conversation. Prediction, you will show up in another thread throwing out the same complaints about the same situation and lack of genuine football conversation.

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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


Re: Again...


Jan 3, 2022, 12:30 PM

I responded to your comment. There are a ridiculous amounts of posts in this thread, so It's easy to miss.

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You responded, but did not answer.***


Jan 3, 2022, 12:34 PM



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"I've played multiple sports and would bet any amount that I'm still more athletic than you at this present time...."


I saw that one of our low-level walk-ons crossed 1,000


Jan 3, 2022, 4:44 PM

yards receiving for the Raiders!

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 3, 2022, 7:28 PM

This is an anomaly. You don’t throw away a whole system (a great system) that has worked great since Dabo’s first recruiting class because of an anomaly. All the things that make Clemson a unique football program has been under attack in a year that ended with 10 wins. If and when the system needs tweaked we have the visionary at the helm that is up to the challenge.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 13, 2022, 7:10 AM

How great coaches become okay coaches and then end up not being coaches.

Failing to adjust to the changes in the game.

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Re: Clemson has sent out 81 offers for 2022


Jan 13, 2022, 12:59 PM

2023 Offers UPDATE:

Clemson: 46
Alabama: 102
UGA: 170
OSU: 96
OU: 108


Seems like we're doubling down on the strategy of slow playing recruits. You would think we would be sending out a large number of offers after only signing 12 in the 2022 class so far.

Still early, but it just seems like we're not going to make any adjustments to how we do things.

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We've been offering more players to try and fill some spots


Jan 13, 2022, 2:10 PM

in the 2022 class still. When were the numbers in your first post from? And do you have an update on the number of offers for 2022 since then?

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Re: We've been offering more players to try and fill some spots


Jan 13, 2022, 2:16 PM

My numbers are from 247sports.com. We've currently at 84 offers for the 2022 class. Which means we've sent out 3 offers since I made this post 10 days ago. That's very underwhelming.

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