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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Tony Elliott: I know it's trendy to attack the guy right now
Dec 9, 2021, 2:47 PM
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but it seems lame to keep piling on. Sure, he deserves a lot of criticism but they all do.
We've had a pretty similar offensive scheme since 2011. In 2015, it changed from mostly Chad Morris to a group effort of TE, JS, DS, and Streeter. It has remained a group effort through today.
This group watches film all week and gets plays together that they think will work against specific personnel as in the D is in a 3 or 4 man front or when they blitz.
I say stick with this group as they face much adversity for the first time. Many times cream will rise to the top.
As for Elliott, I think he's a smart guy with an engineering degree who attended the Air Force Academy Prep School. He doesn't deserve the brunt of the criticism. He should be included in the criticism.
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You bring up a good point. What the #### does practice look
Oct 18, 2021, 1:12 PM
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like with our defense versus this excuse of an offense? It must be brutal.
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FIRE BROWNELL!!!***
Oct 18, 2021, 1:15 PM
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Fire WEST!!!!***
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Fire LEGGETT!***
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Is he still in the NFL?***
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Re: Tony Elliott: I know it's trendy to attack the guy right now
Oct 18, 2021, 1:23 PM
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I mean you might find it acceptable to have the #120 ranked offense in the country with a roster full of four and five star players, but most of us expect better than that from one of the most expensive offensive staffs in the country. Whatever they are doing clearly isn’t working. This mythical get-right game is always going to be just out of reach.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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I agree with you, but think we should stick with
Oct 18, 2021, 1:33 PM
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these guys as they work through it.
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Maybe, but I think he deserves more blame than most
Oct 18, 2021, 1:23 PM
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because his name is in front of OC. If one of my employees screws up, it's on me to get it corrected. If they keep making the same mistake and I refuse to change something...well then it's time for me to face the music.
I'll say that more emphasis needs to be put on Caldwell and Grisham though for sure. The OL has been pitiful for years and the WR's have really dropped off since Jeff Scott left. Don't get me started on Coch Spilluh either. Way to completely mismanage your talent pool there. They were really going to continue with theRS Mafah after Lin-J transferred? That was dumb. He's one of the best I've seen in a while with how hit hits a seam and runs. For what we're doing right now with now passing game and a horrible OL, his talents are more suited for this scheme than Shipley is.
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Not sure how you can come to that conclusion without...
Oct 18, 2021, 1:26 PM
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the rest of the facts....assuming you don't have inside info that the public doesn't have on Spiller and Dixon.
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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Obed has beaten that topic to death. I also don't know that
Oct 18, 2021, 1:30 PM
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my parents actually ######, but I have a pretty good idea they have. No one ever has privy to all of the info, but by that same accord, you can't tell me that Tony Elliot is out there coming up with new plays, studying other systems that work in the offseason and learning new things.
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I was talking about Spiller/Dixon comments....
Oct 18, 2021, 1:32 PM
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how do you know that situation was mismanaged?
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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Go back and read the comments from a month ago
Oct 18, 2021, 1:35 PM
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Spiller's dog house...TE never had a problem with him...no playing time...The plays he gets in on he does well...
You don't find it odd that he never had an issue before and then his senior year when could have transferred last year, he decides to come back and then boom everything changes once Spiller's there?
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just curious
Oct 18, 2021, 1:37 PM
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how was Lyn-J last year and what type of carries did he get?
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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42 carries 190 - 4.5 avg. Butt everbodies numbers were down
Oct 18, 2021, 1:44 PM
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last year because the running game sucked.
2019 - 104 | 635 6.1 avg
2018 - 62 | 547 8.8 avg
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You don't think Dixon was in the doghouse last year?....
Oct 18, 2021, 1:53 PM
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Below are his stats this year and back.
His carries and receptions were down significantly in 2020 vs 2019 and much more as a % of total snaps (all RB carries were down a little YOY). T
ATT YDS AVG TD LNG REC YDS AVG TD LNG FUM LST
10 48 4.8 0 16 2 7 3.5 1 14 0 0
42 190 4.5 2 21 3 21 7.0 0 12 0 0
104 635 6.1 6 32 14 121 8.6 0 55 0 0
62 547 8.8 5 65 1 41 41.0 0 41 0 0
Then you throw in Shipley coming in this year. The dynamic was different and it's believable that his attitude and work was significantly different too.
So, as I said before, unless you know the real situation, you can't make the claims you made.
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You sure do like to argue with coaching gods while
Oct 18, 2021, 3:12 PM
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armed with little more than casual observation.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Pretty sure many of the coaching God's on here are
Oct 18, 2021, 3:18 PM
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FOS.
Spent too much time playing sports on XBox.
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Lot o points [155974]
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I'm not calling myself one, you are.
Oct 18, 2021, 3:23 PM
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I know my limitations, which is why if I post something I see is an issue, I post exactly what I'm seeing on the field that says so, so that someone who knows more than me can tell me what I'm missing.
You're coming in declaring people FOS while offering basic housewife hot takes like "well we were good two years ago so we must still be good".
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Now, you're just making stuff up. I have never said we are
Oct 18, 2021, 3:31 PM
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good this year. I do think we were good last year and that adversity will do them good.
I'm sorry but I don't know nor want to know the Xbox Madden Gameboy lingo nor do I aspire to.
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I get it.
Oct 18, 2021, 3:47 PM
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If I didn't really understand the nuances of something I'd probably just write it off as nonsense too rather than discussing it. I don't hold it against you.
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Lot o points [155974]
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pee ess. t-mail reply
Oct 18, 2021, 3:55 PM
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small world indeed.
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Oculus Spirit [83131]
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Man, you've really built yourself up into something
Oct 18, 2021, 3:55 PM
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special.
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Not even close.
Oct 18, 2021, 4:06 PM
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I've called em as I've seen em with Elliott for a couple years now, and I've been right more than not. That's about it.
I don't touch Brent Venables discussions because a) the guy is doing an amazing job and b) his schemes are flat out next level---I can't discuss them intelligently beyond a 30k ft view.
I played offense though so I get that side of the ball better, and our shortcomings have been so glaring and basic for a couple seasons that they're not difficult to discuss. Somehow, and I really don't know how, this affects you on a personal level and rather than actually having an enjoyable discussion about it, you go into angry old man mode and just declare FOS or try to shut it down by acting like I think I'm some coaching guru.
Ignore the posts if they get you so fired up and dammmm sure dont' call me into a post if you don't want to hear from me.
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Not angry. More comical.***
Oct 18, 2021, 4:13 PM
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Gimme Bo Jackson, and I'll have Tony
Oct 18, 2021, 4:18 PM
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crying to his mama on Tecmo Bowl within 3 games.
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Typical coaching god reply...***
Oct 18, 2021, 4:49 PM
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You're FOS.
Oct 18, 2021, 4:17 PM
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You need to leave this discussion to people who have beaten others to death with their bare hands, otherwise you aren't qualified to discuss fatal beatings.
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Since I'm in the moran camp,
Oct 18, 2021, 3:14 PM
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pls to convince me that our most experienced, best blocking, top 5 YPC career RB leaving was a great thing and well managed by our coaching staff. kthnxbye
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Oculus Spirit [78892]
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I am not here to convince anybody of anything
Oct 18, 2021, 3:58 PM
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nobody changes their mind
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I've changed mine on P&R several times. I changed it on
Oct 18, 2021, 4:07 PM
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Led Zeppelin Presence just last week.
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Very fair point.***
Oct 18, 2021, 4:11 PM
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It is so easy
Oct 18, 2021, 1:24 PM
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for the morans to say fire somebody
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FIRE WILLMO***
Oct 18, 2021, 1:24 PM
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when everybody's tryin to please me baby***
Oct 18, 2021, 3:48 PM
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i have met you and ghosted you one time
Oct 18, 2021, 4:37 PM
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you are better than this post.
I will give you a mulligan.
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Yep....and this may be a hot take, but...
Oct 18, 2021, 1:24 PM
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I see a fair bit of improvement over the last 2 games.
The running game was great on Friday. We were ripping off 5-7 yds on 1st down. Then follow it by a missed block and dropped pass.
He had some really good calls that just weren't executed. The "offsides screen" play was called at a perfect time and set-up to be a huge gain and possibly a score....except our 3 OL's let 1 guys run right between them and blow up the play for a loss.
He's working in the screen game now and the players won't execute them.
And everyone keeps talking about the OL, but the WR group has been missing blocking assignments all year. That is something we've always been good at. The coaches didn't just all of a sudden forget how to coach.
Yes, execution is part coaching, but coaching only goes so far. Frankly, I see a lot of bad luck factored in to some bad play.
The only really poorly called series was running the QB power 3 times in a row at the end. I could see it coming from the TV, so you know the defense saw it coming. I felt for sure the 2nd or 3rd one was going to be a fake QB power with a quick hit to the TE running down the seam. I'd be curious if Elliott just doesn't think our OL can hold pentation enough to run that play.
It wouldn't surprise me if our offense looks sluggish against Pitt again and it wouldn't surprise me if we blow them out. I don't think it's being overly rosy to say we were a few mistakes away from beating 'cuse by 3 scores.
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Re: Yep....and this may be a hot take, but...
Oct 18, 2021, 1:28 PM
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Yeah and my golf game is a few missed shots away from being on the PGA tour. The excuse making and smoke blowing from our coaching staff is starting to get aggravating.
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Well I'm not on the coaching staff....
Oct 18, 2021, 1:31 PM
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nor did I hear/read their comments.
I'm just sharing what I observed watching the game twice.
There is a big difference in football between getting beat physically or schematically versus making stupid mistakes, uncharacteristic drops, etc...in critical situations.
I don't see many of our players getting whipped on a regular basis when I watch the games back. Do you?
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Yes, watch the OL***
Oct 18, 2021, 1:33 PM
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you watch the OL***
Oct 18, 2021, 1:39 PM
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While I'm waiting for DJ to pass it yes.***
Oct 18, 2021, 1:46 PM
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That's normally what I focus in on...
Oct 18, 2021, 1:38 PM
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since that's the position I played. I don't see the OL getting whipped very often.
I see a lot of missed assignments...players going unblocked, etc... When we get the hat on the right man, we normally do well up front.
On 2 QB powers in a row the center was covered up and the right guard had someone in the 4 gap almost close to being covered up and the center blocked down with the left guard. There is no blocking scheme where that is the correct block. And they did it twice in a row. That communication and not physical.
They ran the same play with the D in the same formation and blocked it correctly and DJ went for 12 yds.
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thanks for these posts that are based on closer examination
Oct 18, 2021, 3:20 PM
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and knowledge of the subject than some. Also the level-headedness.
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Oculus Spirit [79260]
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We are just a couple of plays away from being 6-0
Oct 18, 2021, 1:32 PM
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We're also just about as many plays away from being 1-5. I don't think that's really sunk in yet with a lot of people.
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irregardless of the record
Oct 18, 2021, 1:36 PM
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we would be the same team
enjoy the wins
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He’s got a lot of hardware to show past success but
Oct 18, 2021, 1:29 PM
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Let me tell you, even though I’ve got my picture on the Employee of the Month bulletin board twice as much as anybody else, I know if I burn 2 batches of fries in a shift, my butt is headed out the door.
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That really begs the question.
Oct 18, 2021, 1:48 PM
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Is there any OC that WOULDN'T have been successful with DW4 and TL16 at QB?
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Hypothetical that's impossible to prove.***
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Sorry it seems lame to you but I'm not stopping....he
Oct 18, 2021, 1:49 PM
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deserves every bit of it and Dabo deserves any upstream flow for sticking his head in the sand about the issue. Been saying for a couple years that our offense has underperformed the talent we had on hand and it's biting us squarely in the arrse right now.
We can play the "yeah, but weren't the past few years awesome" game all we want, but a top notch program doesn't go from best to worst in a single season with the talent we have without some massive holes in the boat.
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Saying it two years ago shows how unwarranted much of your
Oct 18, 2021, 2:13 PM
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criticism is.
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Prescient.
Oct 18, 2021, 3:00 PM
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I think that's the word you were looking for.
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Lutz. Well, you did say yesterday that UGA'S offense this
Oct 18, 2021, 3:07 PM
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Year is better than Bama in 18.
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Not definite but likely.***
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Very unlikely, but a small chance. Tua,
Oct 18, 2021, 3:15 PM
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Josh Jacobs, Nagee Harris, Damion Harris, Jerry Jeudy, Devanta Smith, AWESOME OL, though UGA'S may be as good. You're just looking silly now.
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Re: This is not just a bad offense for Clemson
Oct 18, 2021, 2:14 PM
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It’s mind blowing to me that people don’t seem to grasp how bad we are
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We're awful right now. The worst since Tommy West's last
Oct 18, 2021, 2:39 PM
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year but, when you actually start saying we should fire people at this point, you totally lose me, and
seem sort of unhinged.
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Hold up, you think no one deserves to be canned for this ?
Oct 18, 2021, 2:58 PM
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Tell me you voted for Biden, without telling me you voted for Biden
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LOL ******
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does someone want that?
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I mean, I'm sure SOMEONE wants him gone today by 5pm, but I haven't heard it. I want the guy gone as much as anyone, but I think it would be silly to not wait until the end of the season.
Also, I'm under no illusions that the odds of Dabo making the change even then are anything other than infinitesimal.
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probably a couple
Oct 18, 2021, 4:39 PM
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tens of thousands
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this should really be the only argument
Oct 18, 2021, 4:19 PM
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now that we have some games under our belt and stats to back it up. look how we compare to other programs.
that is horrible. embarrassing. flat out unacceptable. especially given the talent we've been bringing in and the $ we pay this coaching staff.
we can all #### and moan about the why - but the responsibility for all of this falls on the OC and then on Dabo if it doesn't get corrected.
judging by our performance following a bye week, it ain't getting corrected.
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Plus we have real live actual former players calling
Oct 18, 2021, 4:23 PM
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out the play-calling now. I'm not sure what other evidence people are looking for. Don't believe me? Fine. Don't believe your lying eyes? Fine. Commentators who played and coached professionally have noted it. OUR OWN PLAYERS WHO PLAYED FOR THESE COACHES HAVE NOTED IT. Deer baby Jesus in heaven what does it take to get past the "well the players just need to play harder and better and that's it" argument?
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Re: Plus we have real live actual former players calling
Oct 18, 2021, 4:31 PM
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Re: this should really be the only argument
Oct 18, 2021, 4:54 PM
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We are the worst offense in the ACC with much, much more talent than any other team and a fantastic defense. Its totally inexcusable.
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He deserves $2m worth of the blame.
Oct 18, 2021, 2:10 PM
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At least for this year.
He owes $2m to Trevor, Rodgers, Powell, and ETN for last year.
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He and the others deserve much criticism, just
Oct 18, 2021, 2:30 PM
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like they deserve much credit for 2015-20. They just didn't roll the ball out there at practice and let the players do it on their own. There are too many great players and coaches on other teams for that. The comeback against Ohio St. In 19 and the beat down over ND in 20 shows how well our offensive staff has prepared us in the past. In 19 against OSU, we switched to a screen game with Etiene and a running QB. Against ND last year, we ran Trevor, and then demolished them with the pass. Great offensive coaching.
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TE didn't forget how to coach all of a sudden. I'll admit..
Oct 18, 2021, 3:13 PM
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he can be a bit vanilla at times. But we've had success with him too.
As for DJ he's not DW or TL. But we don't have Caleb (whatever his name is) from OU to come off the bench. I read a stat earlier where he was 17 for 25 Friday at one point and 3 of those misses were obvious drops not contested.
I just keep going back to the Oline. IMO they blow.
Shoot me because I'm a glass half full type guy. Hey if it's half full you can had more tequila. 
Go Tigers Beat Pitt!
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But he wasn't alone.
Oct 18, 2021, 4:00 PM
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I think we are seeing who the driving force behind our offensive play calling was.
Scott is stinking it up pretty good at USF; I wonder if he wants his old job back?
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I think it's a bunch of problems...
Oct 18, 2021, 5:15 PM
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1.) Talent level-- I don't see a ton of NFL talent on the offensive side. Compare with years past and it's a pretty stark contrast. Pretty much every position is either young/inexperienced or a downgrade from where we've been in years past.
2.) Youth/inexperience--Other than Ross, we don't have a ton of experience in our WR core nor do we have a ton of experience on the OL and the ones that do are playing out of position too often (bockhorst).
3.) Lack of speed-- We have tall possession/red zone type WRs, but we have no one for the slot like Rodgers or Renfrow that can always get open over the middle. We don't look explosive at any position.
4.) Injuries-- We've been pretty lucky in the past with this, but we're making up for it this year.
5.) Scheme-- With the talent we have, I think our offense is better designed for an old-school under center, run heavy/play-action style offense but that hasn't been our identity so we don't run it (or can't). So a bit of square peg/round hole situation.
6.) OL being subpar-- #2/#3 affecting this I think.
7.) Coaching--Recruiting philosophy as well as misses/scheme issues and execution problems.
8.) DJ. He's showing some progress, but he's not playing as he did against BC/ND. I don't know why and won't speculate, but his play is clearly down here.
I feel like UGA is basically the better version of our offense but they have a top-tier OL and some explosive talent at the TE position.
I'm sure there are probably more or that I may be wrong on some of this stuff. I'm no expert so this is my message board quality opinions.
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