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Tony E has been unduly criticized by Clemson idiots
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Tony E has been unduly criticized by Clemson idiots

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:32 PM

It’s ok to give your opinion but many have trashed Tony not knowing the shoes he has had to walk in this year.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:36 PM

Comes with the job and the salary. Expectations.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:39 PM

Man what a strange thing to accept that trashing a person "comes with the job and the salary" instead of just critiquing a consumable product.

I am completely ok with the people who chose to question play calls and our offensive performance and to attribute that to Elliott since he is the offensive coordinator.

I really hope you are not including the personal attacks and aspects on Elliott that are completely outside of his job as offensive coordinator.

The same goes for DJ as well.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:42 PM

Well, I guess I didn’t know you were trashing him personally, I assumed the comment referred to the frequent and fully justified trashing of his on-field product. Were people actually saying stuff about his Momma? Because, yes, that would be out of line.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:46 PM

I didn't participate in the personal attacks and didn't include myself in questioning his job as an OC much either.

Probably my biggest criticism of Elliott this season was that as the TEs coach he kept putting Galloway on the field in critical spots. The problem never really got fixed because Galloway played a lot of plays up until he was injured and out for the season.

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no,no. no.. i think it is actually in the contracts now

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:46 PM

we could pay them less if we remove the trashing cause.

seems fair to me.

Give me a million and you can say whatever you want..heck i'll do it for tree fitty

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Re: no,no. no.. i think it is actually in the contracts now

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:51 PM

Here is another idiot!

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where's my tree fitty !!!!***

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Dec 8, 2021, 2:33 PM



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Oh godt lawd that Lock Ness monster.***

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Dec 8, 2021, 5:09 PM



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Dec 8, 2021, 6:40 PM

Some Fan’s always have to cross that line they themselves would not put up with at their place of employment. It has nothing to do with the job or the salary. You just don’t personally attack any coaches or players. It usually comes back to hurt the program. Plus it’s just wrong IMO!

TE may leave, if he does I wish him nothing but the best. Sometimes you don’t realize what you really have until you lose it.

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agree on 1st 2

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:40 PM

not sure what you mean by expectations..

Meet Dabo's expectations.. agreed.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:50 PM

Ding Ding Ding!!!! here is one of the idiots you were talking about! O
what would you know about jobs and salary requirement? Not much from your stupid comment!

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:11 PM

You seem to be easily riled up and of limited intelligence.
Ding!

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:17 PM

I know an idiot when I see one! With your idiotic comment you seem to fit the bill! Maybe if more people called out idiotic stupid comments like yours than idiots would stop making them!

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you mean "read " right? You know an idiot when


Dec 8, 2021, 2:35 PM

you "read" a post from one.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:37 PM


Comes with the job and the salary. Expectations.




You must be a facebook level thinker where there is no understanding of the situation....only the expectation you set in your mind for the team. So regardless of what happens on or off the field if the arbitrary standard you have set is not met you think blowing the message boards with your venom is justified.

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Dec 8, 2021, 7:22 PM

What makes the standards "arbitrary?" Clemson football has developed into what many of us believe to be one of the few elite programs in the nation. That is the new standard through which many of us view the program and against this the current performance is evaluated.

Why would we want to lower our standards?

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"idiots" isn't PC anymore.. we call them Coots now***

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:44 PM

I was a TE critic until a read what Mr. Hood posted today when he interviewed a former player. TE hands were tied. He had an offensive line that was porous, an insufficient QB, and WR's dropped as many as they caught. There was not much he could do with that many problems. However, I think next year we need to have a motion offense that keeps the opposing defense guessing.

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but did you learn anything....

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:48 PM

being wrong is actually good if you learn from it

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:53 PM

It took you reading the Dhood article to figure that out? Really?

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:10 PM

Let’s see: he has a porous O-line, an insufficient QB and WRs dropping balls. Gee, I wonder who has responsibility over the offense? You make it sound like these are external factors over which he has no control.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:18 PM

Injuries !!!! Things He has no control over

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Dec 8, 2021, 5:31 PM

injuries didn't make DJ finish the season ranked 120 out of 126 in the nation. Out of all QBs with at least 250 attempts he's dead last. Cade can come in and make TE look great again.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:18 PM

Injuries !!!! Things He has no control over

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Dec 8, 2021, 6:55 PM

These are things I as well as others have been posting all season. DJ was going through personal issues at home, the O-Line had injuries. Catchable balls were dropped but yet we smoke a really good WF team and roasted the chicken’s 30-0.

I wish the best for Tony and his family. I hope he stays for selfish reasons. But he deserves to be a HC. I just hope he doesn’t go to Duke.

IMO the HC that bolted from Oregon to Miami made a bad move. The years Miami won NC’s I believe the were violating several NCAA rules to achieve that success.

If you leave Coach Elliot I wish you the very best.

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Dec 8, 2021, 7:52 PM

That is fine if it were not a multi year issue. Generational (and I mean GENERATIONAL) QBs and some really talented WR’s made this offense look better than it was. This year was not all Tony’s fault of course, but come on you have to be able to game plan with this offense to at least get into the top half. If we were in the top half, we would be planning trips to the CFP again and complaining happily how we are going broke going to all the playoff games.

There were complaints in prior years that this offense does not scheme receivers open. It is 50/50 hero ball. Or your 10 WR screens per game that generally amount to nothing and get players blown up part of the time. Abandoning the run when it is working. To name a few.

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Re: Tony E has been unduly criticized by Clemson idiots


Dec 8, 2021, 12:40 PM

I have never criticized the man; I have criticized some of the play calling ,and some of his pre or post game comments, but not the man.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:33 PM

leftie said:

I have never criticized the man; I have criticized some of the play calling ,and some of his pre or post game comments, but not the man.




I am sure you are one of those guys who thinks if a play does not work it was a bad call regardless of how the players executed

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:44 PM

I reference you to David Hoods post.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:44 PM

I will give home some credit. It's not easy to pivot your entire offensive philosophy mid season when you realize your QB isn't up to the task. He took the games off DJ's shoulders and put it on the backs of the RB's and O-line, as evidenced vs. Wake and SCAR. Just too little too late.

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:54 PM

It wasnt just DJ! It was the injuries to most of the offense including DJ.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:09 PM

I think the changes made towards the end of the season wouldn't have worked earlier in the season due to the way the OL was playing. I think the OL improved and developed during the season making the changes at the end of the season possible.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:14 PM

DJ settled in to a much better place after the NC State game, but the rest of the passing game started falling apart around him at that point.

Elliott had a great gameplan that involved DJ throwing the ball a lot against Pitt.

Unfortunately we dropped 8 passes in the game, 6 of which were in the first half when we should have taken control of the game.

He didn't take the games away from DJ until he was playing with a bad knee and a messed up finger on his throwing hand.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

Why would the offensive coordinator not known, from several months of preseason camp what his QB was capable of and started the pivot much earlier? Is that asking too much of a coach being paid $2,000,000.00?

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Dec 8, 2021, 2:36 PM

That is assuming He did not know the issues.
I think He knew and did the best He could with the situation.
The biggest problem was O line play.
They told everyone all Camp and early games about injuries and young players.
No one wanted to listen.
Tony Elliot has an excellent record as a Coach and He did not forget how to coach!

Actually I think the coaching job this year is the best coaching job the staff has done!

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DJ is a Practice Player


Dec 8, 2021, 3:44 PM

Seems pretty obvious that DJs issues are upstairs. TE had the same 2 games last season to evaluate DJ and a bunch of practice time. Anyone who has played team sports knows people that rise come game time, and those that peak out at practice.
It’s too bad all around. What we don’t know is whether they use a sports psychologist during the season.
DJ needs one.
A new OC and Cade coming may be just what the doctor ordered.
But TE isn’t here for long, so all of the geniuses will soon have to find a new target…
I feel like the Tiger had an off year - who coaches him?

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Dec 8, 2021, 12:58 PM

The majority of Clemson's fan base, especially the sane portion doesn't post on Tigernet. I also doubt that Tony Elliott reads Tigernet to get coaching advice, or verify what fans about his job performance.

You can be upset all you want, but I can promise you Tony isn't paying any attention to what "angry" fans have to say about his offense.

Cheer up, nobody on the Clemson coaching staff gives a rip what you, or anybody else on TNET thinks.

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Dec 8, 2021, 2:39 PM

That maybe true about tnet, But they do here stupid questions ask at press conferences and some reporters do participate in message boards and even work for them. The coaches do listen to radio and watch TV sometimes. They most definitely hear fans booing at games. They are not as isolated as you think.

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Dec 8, 2021, 3:28 PM

I don't disagree with you.

What I was just trying to convey was that they don't pay much attention to it, or waste time worrying about what reporters/fans think about their coaching ability.

As a general rule I don't take advice from dumb people, or people I don't respect. I'm betting neither does TE. It's simple and effective...problem solved.

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:27 PM

Some fans took it way over the top for sure, but I think some criticism for play calling at the beginning of the year was warranted. Having said that as the season went on he adjusted the offense well to fit our strengths. Specifically the 2 back look we ran against USCjr could be really good for us.

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True and well put . . .******nm


Dec 8, 2021, 3:38 PM

****

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Dec 8, 2021, 1:37 PM

The shoes he is PAID enormous amounts of money to fill The Cheese It bowl in Camper World stadium is NOT providing the results he is paid to provide

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Dec 8, 2021, 2:16 PM

Obviously I am not as intelligent as some of you geniuses on here. Tell me then, when are ya'll going to apply for the openings on the coaching staff. You are way too underused here on Tigernet. Dabo evidently overlooked you. Geez what a bunch.

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Dec 8, 2021, 5:58 PM

I don't know diddly squat about being an OC but I do know that those who are the highest paid (in any profession) are expected to produce at the highest levels. TE is literally the highest paid OC in the country and the result on the field in no way justified that salary, same as it wouldn't in any other profession where the highest paid person was a bottom 10% performer. It was one bad season so I'm sure some have overreacted but let's not pretend that someone in his shoes wouldn't be in managements cross hairs no matter what he was doing for a living.

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define trashed, questioning his play-calling is not trashing

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Dec 8, 2021, 2:14 PM

in my dictionary

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Dec 8, 2021, 2:42 PM

You probably cant even speak the football language that Tony Elliot does. His knowledge and Comprehension of Football is light years ahead of the average TNET warrior. Maybe you're the exception.

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True. Some try to conflate those two things in order to


Dec 8, 2021, 6:48 PM

justify trashing any Tiger fan who questions a play call.

$hit, half of TNet were calling the plays right before they happened. This can't be good, right?

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this year was gonna be tough no matter who our OC was


Dec 8, 2021, 4:05 PM

due to our situation at QB. But i've felt like our offense has been on a downward trajectory ever since the dual OC think got changed to a single OC. I even though our offense last year and was pretty pedestrian. I knew if we had to play and win a shootout we had no chance. Because he never had a consistent flow on offense. We learned that was def. the case against LSU and OSU. They had offenses that were going to score we didn't. Yet our personnel level was about the same. Its just been a steady deceleration compared to when we had dual OC's. So i'm good with a new look and new revamped muscle car. We've got the extra money in the bank lets go spend it on what we know will work. And thats where Dabo comes in and he's always been money in these situations.

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If he is walking in bad shoes


Dec 8, 2021, 5:12 PM

Then maybe he should just buy a new pair. Some people struggle to be able to afford just one pair, but I don't think Tony would sweat a few hundred bucks.

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Please forgive me, @IneligibleUser


OC is the opposite of Back Up QB!


Dec 8, 2021, 6:09 PM

Moontiger said:

It’s ok to give your opinion but many have trashed Tony not knowing the shoes he has had to walk in this year.




People love the backup QB as well when things aren't going well too!

Like you, OP - the majority of the criticism was unwarranted and uninformed because it simply doesn't matter how great a play-caller you are: "if the QB is inaccurate(QB Coach) or the play get blown up b/c the QB/RB/WR is running for their lives shortly after the play begins(OL Coach) it simply won't work. When the QB and RB do get time - they often rush the pass or commit to a running lane too quick b/c they aren't used to having those opportunities! It's more to a play than just the play itself!
Like that movie - "it's like novocaine it works every time if you execute it right"!

Most of the complainers were what I call: "highlight fans"! Their general knowledge of the game is from highlights. They are the type of fan that thinks every play failed if it's not a TD.

Coach Elliott like everyone on TNET ( me first ) has things he can do better and needs to improve on. No doubt!
But, what I saw was much deeper than the play that was called. But, in our society somebody has to take the fall! In this case a Clemson alum/former player who has two National Championships to his credit as the primary play-caller! "PRIMARY" not only, I understand that but many people harp on it since Coach Scott isn't here. Well last year with TE as the primary play caller Clemson was still 10th in total offense and averaged 41.4 ppg. And, we made the CFP! Not too shaby!

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Dec 8, 2021, 6:36 PM

Unless CK is the second coming of TLaw, I pity the new OC.

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Dec 8, 2021, 6:47 PM

It's not the x's and o's,it's the Jimmy's and Joe's. We simply didn't have the same talent at the position's we needed to perform up to what had been established before

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Dec 8, 2021, 6:41 PM

And you’re probably ok with Brownell in Basketball. ??

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Dec 8, 2021, 6:52 PM

No, apples and oranges. Basketball has never achieved anything close to what Dabo and football has.I don't think anyone really thinks we could win a natty in basketball, no matter who the coach is

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Dec 8, 2021, 7:00 PM

I completely agree with you. However, it happens at all schools that not only win championships, but have passion to do so.

Plus 1 to you as well.

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Dec 8, 2021, 7:28 PM

I would never trash Tony on a personal level. He is a man of high integrity, a Clemson man, and someone we have pulled for years.

As a play caller he was very average. He may end up being a better HC than an OC to be completely honest. It was not just this year. Many have seen the issues for some time with the system.

I love Dabo but I don’t want him calling the offense or defense. He is a CEO and I think Tony may be cut from the same cloth in that aspect.

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