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TNet is going to go into full meltdown mode when

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Apr 28, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Neff announces the addition of numerous electric vehicle charging stations on campus.

One of the reasons given will be that they are needed for football weekends.

The strong opposition here is going to be hilarious!

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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”


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Apr 28, 2022, 9:25 PM
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short circuit, no meltdown

i noticed Sams Club has them in GeeVille

gon to buy me a '22 EV when they get down to $3000 used

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Notice he sounds exactly like Cobbox/jstone

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Apr 29, 2022, 1:14 AM
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Unsurprisingly

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I don’t think he sounds like or is Cobbox/jstone


Apr 29, 2022, 9:02 AM
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But I do have my suspicions and think he sounds like/tone wise, ClemsonMountaineer or whatever.

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Apr 29, 2022, 1:31 AM
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Then gotta buy $8k in new batteries and pay $2900 to recycle the old batteries. I guess a used Ev with new batts that is over 10yrs old but only costs $13,900 to get it road worthy, it's probably a good deal. Oh, I missed the $3k coat so prob $16,900.

Yep perfect economic success. Just curious what happens when the final sell or destruction costs become a huge problem.

I had a friend with a 2010 Prius, company wanted $14,000 to replace all the batts, pay recycle price and to do major maintenance to the engine. If he had a Corolla, he could get new engine for $4k and be on the road. Corolla was cheaper to start and had more miles.

You notice there is very little reports showing costs of electricity to charge cars. I have never seen a commercial showing stats, if it was a giant difference, companies would lead with their savings but yet you see "ZERO" gas vs electric comparisons on TV adds. Its because the cost and the headaches of charging is a major negative.

Hydrogen is the best and immediately reduced pollution. Hydrogen is a very viable gas and option that produces water and oxygen. This should be the priority.

Its all a scam while oil companies make their zillions when they should be designing the best hydrogen technology and sell that to cover oil costs. Plastics will not go away and can be recycled but hydrogen fuel engines should be immediately the future.

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Apr 29, 2022, 5:42 AM
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Actually, the oil companies and other industrial users are working hard on hydrogen as a fuel along with the equipment suppliers such as GE. Today, it is blended with natural gas to burn in gas turbines in industrial and utility applications. 30% hydrogen content is readily attainable and 100% is a longer term goal. There are technical challenges to overcome but it can be done over time.

I don't know your professional qualifications but to say that the oil companies should be developing hydrogen as a fuel and to imply that they are not isn't accurate. Industrial use of hydrogen is a step that needs to be mastered long before it is used by consumers in private vehicles.

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Apr 29, 2022, 7:38 AM
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Toyota has Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles.....

https://www.toyota.com/mirai/


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Apr 29, 2022, 6:24 AM
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Was with you, until the first sentence of your final paragraph.

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Apr 29, 2022, 6:24 AM
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Couldn’t agree more.

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Apr 29, 2022, 9:15 AM
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This could not be more wrong....

$800 bucks to replace the NiCd battery a few years ago. Might be up to $1K.

Install is easier that swapping a timing belt on an interference engine.

Your "friend" is getting hosed. Heck, the old battery depending on the condition might be a deposit buyback. Heck, I think they might be fetching $200+ right now.

Next, the Prius has some of the lowest operating cost period. Did the fleet world for nearly 7 years. Every consumable thing on that car would last twice as long and be relatively easy fix. (Tell that to my Escape Hybrids, uggg). The corolla might have a lower cost at 100K and be a wash at 150K, but beyond that the Prius would win.

The only thing more "valued" than a prius was getting F150/F250s. Their used value is greater than my fleet purchasing costs via gov contract. Thus "buy" a Gov spec F150 for $26K, use for a year, sell for 34K (pre covid). It was a shame expeditions didn't command the same - had more use there.

FYI, the OIL companies are BEHIND hydrogen. Hydrogen is basically made from natural gas (steam methane reforming). However, Hydrogen is basically battery power as well. So all R&D into barrery tech fuels Hydrogen too.

As for the cost of charging - that varies wildly. I had two charging entities near my fleet. Once was about $2.50 per hour to charge and the other was free.

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Apr 29, 2022, 9:24 AM
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Of course the drawback to hydrogen is it consumes a ton of resources to produce the type of pure Hydrogen and oxygen needed in the fuel cell cars, so so the environmental impact is a net zero versus fossil fuels . Just can’t seem to win , biking is the best option.

I for one like the EVs, my company car that we use for to run errands is a Prius. It is 14 years old, has had no problems, is extremely quiet and gets 50 miles a gallon in the city.

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Apr 28, 2022, 9:33 PM
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great, now those little ticket witches will have unlimited range.

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It’s pretty clear Dabo is running the athletic department…

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Apr 28, 2022, 9:48 PM
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and Neff has been demoted to parking and traffic control. I feel bad for the guy.

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Apr 28, 2022, 10:02 PM
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I’ve been thinking that was somewhat the situation all along.

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Apr 28, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Interestingly enough my numbered space in lot 8 has an electric charging station already installed. I’ve been trying to figure out if I can use it to run the TV instead of bringing the generator each week. They need to add AC outlets to those things.

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Apr 28, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Interestingly enough my numbered space in lot 8 has an electric charging station already installed. I’ve been trying to figure out if I can use it to run the TV instead of bringing the generator each week. They need to add AC outlets to those things.

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Why melt down?

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Apr 28, 2022, 9:59 PM
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People have the right to make choices. They aren’t really green. Just like renewable energy isn’t green. Just because you don’t create CO2 doesn’t mean you are green. All the precious metals and mining involved in developing wind and Solar plus the batteries the recycling etc. etc. You can’t just look at CO2. You have to look at the net benefit. And when you look at everything it takes to build and operate then recycle wind Solar and EV’s there really isn’t a net green benefit. Not even a net CO2 benefit.

And even if we didn’t need oil for automobiles, about 35% of every barrel goes to things that have nothing to do with power generation or automobiles. Oil is in everything from fertilizer to cosmetics to plastics and almost everything we use in our daily lives.

America did not sign the Kyoto protocol, but we’re the only country that actually lowered our emissions. We’re also the only country that lowered our emissions to the Kyoto protocol standard and below. We did it by converting to natural gas. Not because of some mandate, but because of the free market. Natural gas is cheaper and more efficient. We should convert every power plant in America to natural gas and don’t phase out current nuclear power, but build more. We need more nuclear power for the next 50 years while technology comes up with what will be superior to nuclear.

Nuclear is actually the safest way to generate power. More people die every day from other forms of energy generation than have ever died from nuclear power emergencies. That’s including 3Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.

Michael Shellenberger has some excellent TEDTalks on all of this. And until recently he was a lifelong progressive and environmental activist. But he has open his eyes. He has been red pilled like so many others. He also has a great book out, San Fran Sicko, talking about California’s policies especially in places like LA and San Francisco that are destroying California! He has done some great interviews with Brett Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, several times on Joe Rogan, and others. As has Bjorn Lomborg A gay progressive environmentalist from Sweden. They both use science and data to push back against the catastrophic climate change narrative despite the fact that they are both progressive and believe in man-made climate change.

Very few people would have solar panels on their house if it wasn’t for the ridiculous tax subsidies. The government has no business picking winners and losers and subsidizing things like this. It should be handled by the free market. Similarly, most people wouldn’t have an EV if it were not for the ridiculous government subsidies! And again, none of this is actually green. Transitioning to natural gas then nuclear is better for the environment. But let’s not let facts get in the way of a good social justice narrative!


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Apr 28, 2022, 10:27 PM
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WAKE UP!!

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Apr 28, 2022, 11:07 PM
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it is only a matter of time before the Government bans Petroleum Jelly.

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You are one of the stupidest people on Tigernet.

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Apr 28, 2022, 11:57 PM
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I’m embarrassed people like you graduated from my university.

How’s that vaccine working for you? Still wearing your mask to virtue signal?

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lol

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Apr 29, 2022, 12:29 AM
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good one

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Haha…

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Apr 29, 2022, 4:49 AM
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So true.

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Apr 29, 2022, 9:01 AM
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somebody will not be allowed on Meta Tnet.

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And that’s why you’re an idiot!


Apr 29, 2022, 12:00 AM
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I hope you didn’t graduate from Clemson. If you did, did you tell your professors the homework assignment was TL/DR?

How about this for brevity … bite me!

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I did!

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Apr 29, 2022, 8:07 AM
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I graduated in just 4.5 years!

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It was just bunch of facts & truths...


Apr 29, 2022, 12:52 AM
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both of which you are most likely completely unaware. So, I hear you're looking to purchase more carbon credits. Wise, very wise.

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Then I take it you'll making another sizable purchase of carbon credits...


Apr 29, 2022, 5:37 AM
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To add to an already impressive carbon credit account. A wise investment.

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You already used that joke…

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Apr 29, 2022, 7:17 AM
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:(

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Lowcountry/partsuknown forgot which account they posted it

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Apr 29, 2022, 9:18 AM
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From. SCOCKS be hard to manage!

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Apr 29, 2022, 5:45 AM
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While I agree with you about nuclear energy - this is clearly the way to go. You're completely wrong about solar.

You're saying that mining materials to produce a residential system is equivalent to around 8000 lbs of CO2 per year (10,000 KwH). I'd love to see this data.

Government subsidies are everywhere, dude, but is it only the solar panels that bother you?

At least you're admitting that increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere is an issue. More than I can say about the majority of the crowd on this thread.

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Apr 29, 2022, 8:39 AM
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I think he’s comparing carbon intensity of gas powered vehicles with ev’s, which is probably not in the public conversation enough. Same with utility scale wind/solar vs nat gas. The ramp up in mining that would be needed for these technologies to become the norm is not a pretty thing. Massive craters in the earth, exploitation of third world countries, and all the excavating and hauling requires oil and gas power. Safe to say ev’s and solar and wind farms are not the homeruns they’re made out to be by many.

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Apr 29, 2022, 8:53 AM
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It is pretty funny to see certain environmentalists push so hard for EV’s, while at the same time protesting strip mining. My SIL is one…

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Apr 29, 2022, 9:04 AM
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How bout fighting nuclear while you rail against fossil fuels? I met a guy who lobbied for sierra club who bragged that he was the one who got vc summer plant shut down . . . It’s like, well, coal and oil and gas industries thank you for your great work

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Thank you!


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That’s exactly the point I was trying to make.

And it’s silly when someone acts like it’s only one house. If you put solar panels on hundreds of thousands of houses that has a severe detrimental impact. and people don’t look into what is involved in building a car, maintaining a car, then what happens to that car after its useful life. And of course none of this works without batteries which are some of the worst things on the planet for the environment.

Renewable energy is not efficient, it’s really not that green, and people are only doing it because of the insane subsidies. And people say other industries are subsidize. Actually everything that subsidized is heavily controlled by the government and is terrible. College education, healthcare, and housing are heavily regulated and heavily subsidized by the government and they have been the things that have had the highest inflation since the 80s. But people love to throw around that subsidized word but that’s total BS. They I love to use those democratic talking points that the tax code is providing subsidies for businesses. That is total BS. This is intellectual dishonesty. Subsidies are when you are directly being funded by the government and that’s exactly what’s going on with green energy, college tuition, healthcare, and housing. And all of those things are out of control with inflation along with the stock market and they all perfectly match the M2 money supply chart. This is where the Fed is destroying our economy.

We need natural gas and nuclear and then hopefully in the next 50 to 75 years technology will take us to the next level.

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Apr 29, 2022, 6:41 AM
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Natural gas has been used for power generation much more than oil in the US for 40+ yrs and I would agree it is a much cleaner fuel which translates to lower maintenance costs for the power producer and lower cost of electricity for the consumer. I think this is what you mean by efficient. The transition has happened already.

I would not hold my breath on a nuclear renaissance in the US, it is happening more in other places but like clockwork politicians and readers of Popular Mechanics (insert TED Talks here if you'd like) come out advocating for nuclear every time gas prices go up. When gas prices drop then those hollering for nuclear get quiet and look for other rants to take up. Nuclear energy requires more sustained interest to re-grow in the US.

Realistically, the answer is a mixture of power generation to match the demand curve, geography, and changing technology. Wind is a geographically constrained source similar to hydro but in those places with sustainable winds and no hurricane force winds then it makes sense. Today's wind farms have much high capacity factors than even 15 years ago but the technology had to mature and economies of scale had to develop.

Coal is phasing out, sales of fossil steam turbines in the US have been in decline for 40+ yrs while combined cycle plants have become the technology of choice. The existing fossil steam plants are aging out on a regular basis. Metal parts only last so long and with volume on new units close to zero the cost of spares goes up and in time the economics of using coal are non-competitive. Utilities understand this and they are working through what makes sense. Solar and other distributed sources make sense as peaking technologies.

Finally, the government has always picked winners and losers as you put it, whether by development of an interstate highway system, funding technology incubation, or indirectly funding product development through military and space exploration spending or the like.

Toss in farm subsidies that prop up weak farmers and hold back the strongest ones if you want to talk about letting the free market reign. But then again do we really want to have our food come from the lowest cost producer and trust that no corners were cut? Other alternatives are import it or open the borders and stock up on low cost labor. Like agriculture, the energy industry is just not as simple as it might seem when watching JRE.

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Where does most electricity come from?


Apr 29, 2022, 7:58 AM
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We end up burning more Natgas to produce the extra electricity to power the cars. We should just skip the car electrification and run cars on Natgas. But that makes too much sense for our government to promote.

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Apr 29, 2022, 8:42 AM
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About 40% comes from natural gas, but another 40% combined comes from nuclear and renewable sources. There are many ways to generate and store electricity, and as technology advances those methods will become cheaper and cleaner. Fossil fuels are what they are and I’m not sure there’s a lot of innovation on the horizon.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

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Apr 29, 2022, 8:57 AM
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Nice post. Too bad we’ve killed our nuclear industry or we could phase out coal completely right now. Remember when we were gonna get a huge nuclear plant from scana . . . Ouch . . . Doubt anyone is gonna be attempting that any time soon. It’s ironic that the people who hate fossil fuels the most fight against nuclear. It’s like . . . Way to go, you won . . . And we’re burning more fossil fuel because of it

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Apr 29, 2022, 11:53 AM
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Good post, I’d expect to see coal drop 0.5% annually as utilities decide to decommission coal plants.

You mention there are many ways to store electricity. I’d like to hear your thoughts on those.

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Apr 29, 2022, 12:27 PM
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I meant primarily that there are many different battery chemistries and many more innovations on the way. For example Tesla is already using an LFP battery in over half of its new production that does not use nickel and cobalt which alleviates some of the negative environmental impacts of battery production. They’re also already using the newest generation 4680 battery which is tabless and has about a 20% increase in energy density over existing lithium batteries. This will result in less consumption of rare earth minerals, lighter vehicles, and less energy consumed per mile. There is so much R&D going on right now with battery tech that we won’t even recognize the industry in 5 years.
One other method that has been around forever and is really cool, but not that efficient, is hydro-electric storage. They use excess electricity to pump water uphill to a reservoir for use later in a turbine to convert back to electricity when needed.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/water/pumped-storage-hydropower


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The smallest percentage of energy in America comes from renewables


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And the dirty little secret that people on the left not want to admit is that overwhelmingly that is hydroelectric. Wind and solar is like a sliver of the power generation in America. It’s not efficient and it’s not scalable and unless you have battery technology you can’t store it and it’s just not practical because the wind often does not blow the sun often does not shine. And again as I have posted it’s not a net green.

Go to YouTube and watch TED talks with Michael Schellenberger. He is a really bright guy that most of his life was an antinuclear environmental activist. Today he is red pilled and very pro nuclear. He has tons of data that shatters people on the left when it comes to renewables especially wind and solar.

He also has a great new book out that explains the reason California is going down the toilet and it’s 100% because of their far left wing policies. And most of California’s environmental problems are because of their far left wing policies.

I also highly suggest people check out Bjorn Lomburg on YouTube. He has written some excellent environmental books and is a gay progressive from Sweden. But he is pretty red pilled as well.

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Apr 29, 2022, 4:53 PM
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GEPSTiger said:

Natural gas has been used for power generation much more than oil in the US for 40+ yrs and I would agree it is a much cleaner fuel which translates to lower maintenance costs for the power producer and lower cost of electricity for the consumer. I think this is what you mean by efficient. The transition has happened already.

I would not hold my breath on a nuclear renaissance in the US, it is happening more in other places but like clockwork politicians and readers of Popular Mechanics (insert TED Talks here if you'd like) come out advocating for nuclear every time gas prices go up. When gas prices drop then those hollering for nuclear get quiet and look for other rants to take up. Nuclear energy requires more sustained interest to re-grow in the US.

Realistically, the answer is a mixture of power generation to match the demand curve, geography, and changing technology. Wind is a geographically constrained source similar to hydro but in those places with sustainable winds and no hurricane force winds then it makes sense. Today's wind farms have much high capacity factors than even 15 years ago but the technology had to mature and economies of scale had to develop.

Coal is phasing out, sales of fossil steam turbines in the US have been in decline for 40+ yrs while combined cycle plants have become the technology of choice. The existing fossil steam plants are aging out on a regular basis. Metal parts only last so long and with volume on new units close to zero the cost of spares goes up and in time the economics of using coal are non-competitive. Utilities understand this and they are working through what makes sense. Solar and other distributed sources make sense as peaking technologies.

Finally, the government has always picked winners and losers as you put it, whether by development of an interstate highway system, funding technology incubation, or indirectly funding product development through military and space exploration spending or the like.

Toss in farm subsidies that prop up weak farmers and hold back the strongest ones if you want to talk about letting the free market reign. But then again do we really want to have our food come from the lowest cost producer and trust that no corners were cut? Other alternatives are import it or open the borders and stock up on low cost labor. Like agriculture, the energy industry is just not as simple as it might seem when watching JRE.


Better for reading it, thanks!

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Apr 29, 2022, 2:47 PM
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Nuclear is the cleanest and safest, until it isn’t.

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Apr 28, 2022, 10:04 PM
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Do you have to work at being this f’ing dumb or does it come natural?

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I'll stick with my '69 Bronco & '65 GTO


Apr 28, 2022, 10:09 PM
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I'm sure they get great mileage ...

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Judge Keller I object


Apr 28, 2022, 10:29 PM
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You are out of line sir! But that is funny. Tiny cars aplenty

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Buy a Generator to Keep in Your Car

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Apr 28, 2022, 10:41 PM
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Then you wouldn't need a charging station.

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Apr 29, 2022, 12:37 AM
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About as hilarious as thinking Brownlee is a good basketball coach.??

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Apr 29, 2022, 5:59 AM
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revealed that CBB is a TREE HUGGER. This might explain his aversion to recruiting. His distaste for the recruiting trail stems from his anxiety over fossil fuels. That and the football program always gets more stuff than basketball. CBB often laments, to anyone who'll listen, "Why don't we get 85 scholarships and where's our gd slide?"

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Apr 29, 2022, 1:43 AM
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I think Neff should put money towards new assistant contracts since that is why Clemson can't win. Maybe CBB drives EV's therefore this is Neff's new level of support.

Jeeze, screw this. Anyone spending time close to school don't need charging stations. Please, spend money for the majority and not for people that can can drive 15mi in two directions. What a waste of millions! I bet Neff has and or drives an EV most likely Tesla. I would almost bet that he does drove EV.

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Ever considered a sizable investment in Carbon Credits?


Apr 29, 2022, 6:12 AM
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Think on it. Can't lose.

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There are portable chargers...


Apr 29, 2022, 8:11 AM
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like ZipCharge Go, so I doubt this will be much of a problem at all.

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Apr 29, 2022, 8:40 AM
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If I see that I will just go ohm. ;)

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I assume this is a hypothetical but anyway why the angst?


Apr 29, 2022, 9:11 AM
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Most of the public chargers are government subsidized; I don’t see why it would be any different at Clemson. The current infrastructure law has $7.5B earmarked for the construction of EV chargers; why wouldn’t we try to get our share of that money?

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Pssst..they already had some.


Apr 29, 2022, 11:52 AM
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And had preferential, up front parking for employees with EV cars.

This goes back to 2015-2016.

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Why is there an opposition to EVs? I'm confused.

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Apr 29, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Honestly, who cares?

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Apr 29, 2022, 5:58 PM
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Common sense approach to this conversation. God is in control and he put billions of barrels of oil under ground for a reason. He gave man the ability to go and get that oil and to use it for a lot of things. The combustible engine and oil has changed the world. No doubt there are some bad things that come from it. So many people are wanting to get rid of fossil fuels when the world isn't ready to replace them. It will happen when God wants it to happen. Just be patient and the technology will be there so fossil fuels can be a thing of the past.

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Apr 29, 2022, 9:47 PM
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Wut?

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I’ll buy me an ev when they come in battleship grey . #### you people are ####### stupid.

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