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TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
Dec 22, 2023, 11:50 AM
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Clemson Conqueror [11917]
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
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Dec 22, 2023, 11:53 AM
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As a league we are without representation in the CFP because our conference has been determined as an inferior conference.
Why would the Clemson's and FSU's want to stay in a conference where they can literally win every game and still be left out of the playoff.
I understand that this is a mute point because of the 12 team next season, but it's no secret that Clemson and FSU both deserve more revenue share than the rest of the conference.
F the ACC and it's commissioner.
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I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
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Dec 22, 2023, 12:07 PM
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FSU would've gotten in had their star QB been healthy.
They were kept out of the playoffs because their offense was anemic without him.
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no they wouldnt.
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Dec 22, 2023, 12:11 PM
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that excuse fell into the committees lap. they had to let an sec team in but could not put bama in with out texas. its not rocket science.
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Clemson Conqueror [11108]
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Exactly right.***
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Dec 22, 2023, 6:09 PM
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Re: no they wouldnt.
Dec 22, 2023, 9:08 PM
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Yes, they would.
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It's a good narrative, the one that says FSU
Dec 23, 2023, 12:22 PM
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(and by extension an entire conference) is the victim of a committee and not of their own dismal play against Loouvul on national TV.
And that this decision to sue the ACC is the divine right of all butthurt football programs everywhere.
It's the wrong narrative. But it's a good one.
Because when they finally do extract themselves from ACC they'll still just be a GOR orphan in search of a TV home with zero leverage because who cares if FSU wants a streaming deal? They were *undefeated going into the *ACC title game and still only pulled about *4M viewers.
So they'll go to SEC which will offer them a junior share of the revs --- prolly what theyre making now or close to it -- and a really, really, really tough path to the playoffs year-in, year-out.
Baby/Bathwater.
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Re: It's a good narrative, the one that says FSU
Dec 28, 2023, 1:28 PM
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And there is a reason why the betting lines have the Orange Bowl favoring Georgia - 16.5 points
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Game Changer [1831]
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It not a pro SEC thing, FSU was not going to make it past round 1
Dec 28, 2023, 1:15 PM
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It would have been a waste of a CFP game to have them in there just because they won the ACC. We'll see when they play Georgina.
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Re: no they wouldnt.
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Dec 28, 2023, 1:20 PM
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The SEC envy is just delusional. Your conclusion that a CFP committee stacked with ACC people has to choose the SEC over the ACC is laughable and without evidence of any kind. You sound like some woke crazy accusing a Republican of racism because he doesn't like chocolate milk.
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
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Dec 22, 2023, 12:24 PM
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But the ACC is an inferior conference. The stats of ACC vs SEC are garbage, we’re playing their bottom level teams. If you matched up 1v1 2v2 etc in the final standings of both conferences the ACC would be lucky to win 2 or 3 games at best. People need to get their heads out of the sand thinking the ACC is a “good” football conference. The ACC is going downhill in football and only going further behind due to the revenue gap. We better hope FSU is able to work out some legal way out of this that we can follow.
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
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Dec 22, 2023, 1:11 PM
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So what you mean is the SEC just like every league has good teams at the top then mediocre teams got it
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
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Dec 22, 2023, 2:23 PM
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That is what they were saying before Clemson biotch slapped Bama in the NCG playing against the best Bama team in the history of Bama FB. That is exactly what was being said before the best ever for Bama was about to play just another lowly ACC Clemson team!!! Yes Sir, that was their words not mine!!!
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
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Dec 22, 2023, 4:38 PM
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One team doesn’t make a conference, when we smacked Bama that wasn’t the entire ACC vs the entire SEC, it was 1v1, in years past it was us and everyone else. During the LJ years at lville it was a 3 horse race at best, but the ACC top to bottom, is inferior to the SEC. Yes the SEC has bad teams but we have more. We need to stop living in this fantasy land of the ACC being good at football top to bottom. It’s 2/3 schools that are even consistently nationally relevant and that’s it
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
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Dec 22, 2023, 10:48 PM
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This year was different. The ACC had a very nice year against the SEC and the games matched teams at the same level. FSU embarrassed LSU first week. The rest of the conference matched up well this year too.
Add to it the SEC schools are massive compared to the ACC which directly impacts revenue and the number of alumni.
I’m not saying it’s this way every year or the two conferences are equal but the ACC isn’t trash.
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
Dec 27, 2023, 9:16 AM
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They would like to bring everybody else down to their sorry level, and then beat them with experience. Nobody can out-sorry the coots. It's an impossibility, and it's an impossibility they seem to wear with pride.
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It doesnt matter which is inferior/superior.
Dec 23, 2023, 12:35 PM
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Stop thinking like a fan and start thinking like a network exec.
People watch SEC and B10 football. Period.
People watch ACC basketball. Period.
And networks follow eyeballs. They dont give a crap who wins, who deserves to be there, who doesnt, they ONLY care how many will watch.
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
Dec 22, 2023, 4:03 PM
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So you believe if Carson beck was injured and they played “great sec defense” and won close games against tech (which they did win a close one) and won a grinder in the sec champ game they would have been left out… absolutely not
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
Dec 22, 2023, 6:54 PM
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FSU would've gotten in had their star QB been healthy.
They were kept out of the playoffs because their offense was anemic without him.
Brad literally said the ACC was viewed as a weak conference last year when we were left out of the NCAA after a 4th place regular season finish
Do you think Brad was wrong?
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
Dec 27, 2023, 12:11 PM
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Wrong again...1/2au...had a goose egg on the board when Travis went down...#2 came in and put 58 on the board...so it just an anemic FSU team that kept them out...statistically we outplayed and they struggled all year...would keep Travis in to try to run up the score for style...they did win all their games to be fair Texas sucked and the Auburn coach got a big bonus for letting Bama win! We are Clemson and we don't need a bunch of crab eating Florida crackers screwing up the ACC like they did with their football program...sure makes oneappreciate Bobby Bowden!
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
Dec 27, 2023, 4:54 PM
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Dabo will take back that statement when in 2024 the Big Ten money per team will begin doubling ACC teams - all due to weak ACC leadership over the past several years and in that last league-wide agreement for such low money from tv revenue!!!!
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Re: I don't view it as the ACC being seen as an inferior conference.
Dec 27, 2023, 5:26 PM
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I'm tired of hearing about the QB being hurt kept FSU out. There's not a league from High School to the Pros that would leave an undefeated Conference champion out of the playoffs no matter who or how many players were hurt.
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Re: It's also a MOOT point.
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Dec 22, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Don't you know? This is TNET where we spell things incorrectly on purpose you moran!
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Is this write?
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Dec 22, 2023, 1:10 PM
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I did knot no.
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Re: It's also a MOOT point.
Dec 27, 2023, 12:13 PM
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Was that moot or mute!
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They looked fine with Rodemaker.
Dec 23, 2023, 8:34 AM
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He'd have been back for the playoffs.
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
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Dec 22, 2023, 2:09 PM
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Yes sir, and he is as big of a piece of cat chit as John Swofford was, and the only difference is that he is the new one, but cat chit just the same as Swofford was!!!
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
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I totally disagree with FSU being left out of the playoffs and the playoffs should reward the season a team had and an undefeated power 5 conference champion should be in unless all 5 conferences had undefeated champions.
That being said The conference has not been deemed inferior and I remind you that Clemson made the CFP with a loss.
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
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Dec 22, 2023, 11:54 AM
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Whomever from each school signed onto this should be fired and pay back the lost revenue each school will have to endure till 2036, which would be impossible of course.
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
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Them deals were sign long before ESECPN gave the SEC all the money saved on signing the ACC deal. IMO that was a secret deal that ESECPN made with the SEC before signing the ACC to deal they presented, and once that deal was locked in, they promised the SEC huge money to stay ahead of everyone else.
And yes I believe that deal was made before the ACC signed their contract with ESECPN for the ACC network that has turned out to be a cheaply designed piece of chit, and that was part of the planned deal with the SEC also, we promise we'll never allow the ACC to have an equal chance to ever become competitive with the SEC within the next 20-25 years!!!
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
Dec 22, 2023, 9:10 PM
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That's a foolish belief.
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
Dec 27, 2023, 12:28 PM
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If you are right then the1/2asusemiholes should have named ESPN in the suit...discovery would have implicated ESPN in a conspiracy to manipulate revenue...ACC would be absolved...we would all be in good shape revenue sharing would be balanced...don't believe it...when WF, BC & Duke put 18k in the stands and others have 60+ not good...Jawja has more than that at a tiddie bar!
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Its hard to believe that a University President, AD, BOT and legal department
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Couldn’t understand a legal contract at the time it was signed.
A bad contract doesn’t make it an illegal contract.
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Re: Its hard to believe that a University President, AD, BOT and legal department
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Time to send him back to Northwestern where he came from.
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Re: Its hard to believe that a University President, AD, BOT and legal department
Dec 27, 2023, 3:02 PM
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This is the same university that hired Willie T., how can you not believe it? You are here, we don't want to get beaten so you might give us covid so we ain't playing...unless you are a 1/2asutroll on our website you should still be pizzed bout that one! You have no real administration and can't keep a contract that everyone signed...you must have been with the French during the Franco-Prussian War!
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They are about to become even more irrelevant.***
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Re: They are about to become even more irrelevant.***
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They need to include Swofford in their lawsuit. He is the one who gave birth to it I believe.
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Re: They are about to become even more irrelevant.***
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He helped them to deliver it for sure!!!
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
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FSU has surely given much thought to how to finance their departure should their legal challenge be unsuccessful. It may take quite a while for the legal fog to lift, but it is hard to imagine FSU remaining in the ACC no matter the verdict. If their loss is really $30 million or more each year, they can make up this ACC departure toll in four or five years. My mind goes to the Jimbo Fisher payout. He is owed $76 million, and will get it back on the installment plan at something like $6 million per year, although none of that money is coming from Texas A&M, but rather from its backers. FSU, as a State school, is not that well-heeled, but how could the ACC say no to a similar arrangement where FSU pays back over an extended period?
I don't blame FSU for wanting out. They aspire to big time football and the ACC isn't. It is less than a full participant (1.0) in the 5.0 power conference lineup, coming in at something like .75. This long term agreement, with well over a decade to run, is imprisonment, and the ACC schools were stupid to commit to anything for 20 years. Would any school commit to not raising its tuition for two decades? FSU's departure will further weaken the ACC, and virtually guarantee that any other schools with big time football ambitions (Clemson, North Carolina and Miami) will follow suit using whatever device FSU employs to get out of jail.
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
Dec 22, 2023, 3:04 PM
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My question is if FSU was the best team in the SEC and lost their starting QB, would they have been allowed in the playoffs, and that answer is Yes Yes Yes without a doubt they would have been in the playoffs with a 13-0 record, and wouldn't have mattered if they had lost their starting QB and starting RB at the same time, they would still be in the playoffs representing the SEC in a game that they had never not been a part of.
Scroll down on the link below and see every team that has played in the college playoffs since it began in 2014 to 2022. The SEC has had a team in everyone of them, and regardless of record or how many starters go down, the will continue to have a team in the playoffs especially since it's going to 12 teams. The SEC will have several teams in the playoffs from now until all ends...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
Dec 22, 2023, 5:44 PM
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Earth to Commish! Earth to Commish! Wake up dude. You are not in Chicago any more. Time to stop acting like you are still at Northwestern.
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Re: TNET: ACC commish responds to the FSU lawsuit
Dec 22, 2023, 6:06 PM
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The really bad thing is the ACC would own the moneys earned by FSU until 2036 or whenever. I hope they win. THis is the stupidest contract I have ever heard of. Go Tigers!
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FSU, youre just not one of the 4 best
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And that’s fine. If JT was not hurt, you’d be there. Since he is, you want to prove they were wrong by beating UGA by 10+
Sure. We both want out. But don’t look like an ### while trying to do so
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We are proud that is the problem. Nobody
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argues against the success of the ACC in sports and graduation rates. The issue is the TV contract agreement that was signed for eternity. If we are so good, if the ACC product is so good, why can’t we bring more revenue like the other 2 power conferences?
We are better off dissolving the ACC and starting a new conference.
2036!!!!!! Who in their right mind signed such a contract?
FSU is footing the lawyer bill. If they are able to open the gates, it is going to be a massive exodus. The ACC will no longer exists.
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Re: We are proud that is the problem. Nobody
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No one thinks FSU was snubbed because they only scored 16 pts? I’d bet if they’d scored 37 they’d be in. ESPN doesn’t want a defensive snooze fest. They want points galore.
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Re: We are proud that is the problem. Nobody
Dec 28, 2023, 5:09 PM
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In my feeble opinion Clemson needs to stay true to our deals and keep the faith...present the best product we can and support good student athletes and good young men! We are blessed to have Dabo and field a great team...to Helena with the portal...they are all opt outs by definition...If we keep our identity others will follow our example and every conference will want us! I know a little Mary Poppins but a whole lot of Tiger!
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