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Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
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When Nasty Is The Norm
Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
by KEVIN YOUNG
This was a roller coaster of a week for me as Bulwark picked up my written confession to voting for Donald Trump, which was then picked up by Raw Story and, tomorrow, OpEdNews.
Being recognized as a writer is rather new for me; most of my communication’s experience involves the spoken word, not the written one.
For example, I was a college radio DJ, which might be a more exciting story if it hadn’t been at a Christian college… and a Baptist one, at that. Instead of Journey, we played Jesus music, and instead of Steve Perry, we spun Sandi Patty.
While most of the god-awful music has been blocked from my mind, there is one memory that stuck: our Station Verse.
Yes, we had a “Station Bible Verse” that every DJ was required to read… live …at the top and bottom of every hour.
I must have said it thousands of times over the span of four years, and as such, it is now indelibly marked in my memory in a way that will likely outlast my own name in old age.
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up, according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” —EPHESIANS 4:29
I couldn’t but recall that verse last night during Kaitlan Collins’ conversation with former President Donald Trump on CNN last evening.
Each time he berated someone, I winced. But it was his string of “Nasty person” insults that really got to me. How did I never see this side of him before? … the front side … what seems to be the only side he shows.
Trump’s penchant for name-calling is well-tilled ground, yes, but it now strikes a different note in my soul, a discordant one. It is clear to me that Trump hasn’t changed, but I have.
Watching as a former President—and the assumed Republican front-runner for the next term—brushes off sexual assault and disparages his victims by mocking them, all to thunderous applause from an audience, left me reeling.
But even more disconcerting, the statistical likelihood that most of that adoring audience identified as Christian.
How could they overlook so much to vote for someone so little?
What have we become?
As a Christian, this is the question that haunts most of my waking moments.
Do my actions and words reflect a heart in sync with the Jesus I know from the Bible, or are they in sync with something else?
I’ve come to believe that many of my fellow Christians actively avoid asking that question of themselves.
But I resist that avoidance as much as I can. As such, I’ve spent the last few years confronting that question and its complex implications, but I am uncertain that a large swatch of USAmerican Christianity is ready to face it.
In fact, I think we are avoiding it precisely because we know its implications for our actions.
Confronting the intersection of Donald Trump and our Christian faith has very real consequences that Christians seem intent on avoiding at all costs.
Donald J. Trump does not represent Christ in word, action, or belief. In fact, it is glaring obvious that he is the antithesis of literally everything that Christians say are marks of a follower of Jesus Christ.
The Bible is clear that those who truly follow Christ will be changed to look more like him, not less.
“When someone turns to the Lord, we are transfigured, our lives gradually becoming brighter and more beautiful as God enters our lives and we become like him.” [2Cor.3:18, NLT/MSG]
To me, the best example of what this looks like is found in Galatians 5:22-23.
“...this kind of fruit is produced in our lives:
love,
joy,
peace,
patience,
kindness,
goodness,
faithfulness,
gentleness,
and self-control.” [NLT]
But if you are like me, it would be more helpful to know the things that indicate someone isn’t being transformed. What does a life devoted to ideals that are opposite of Christ and his teachings look like? Fortunately, that same passage in the Bible spells it out pretty clearly when it says that kind of person will be marked by:
“...repetitive, loveless, cheap sex;
a stinking accumulation of mental and emotional garbage;
frenzied and joyless grabs for happiness;
trinket gods;
magic-show religion;
paranoid loneliness;
cutthroat competition;
all-consuming-yet-never-satisfied wants;
a brutal temper;
an impotence to love or be loved;
divided homes and divided lives;
small-minded and lopsided pursuits;
the vicious habit of depersonalizing everyone into a rival;
uncontrolled and uncontrollable addictions;
ugly parodies of community.” [Gal.5:19-21, MSG]
It even tell us what happens to those who live this way:
“...anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God.” [Gal5:21, NLT]
But today, I see many Christians already circling around Donald Trump with whataboutism and any argument that will justify their vote for Donald Trump, should it become necessary.
With every word of support or dismissiveness, they wound their public witness and choose the power in the Kingdom of Man over their responsibilities to the Kingdom of God.
The Religious Right is Self-Destructing their Witness in the World
Over the years, many Evangelicals have attempted to make a case for Trump’s Christianity, but the problem with their argument is Trump himself. It is clear—no matter how badly the religious right wishes Trump were a Christian—he almost assuredly is not.
Worse yet, many Christians are willing to overlook his anti-Christ ways as long as he “wins the country back” or “sticks it to the libs” as “the other side is doing far worse things than Trump.”
Perhaps.
But does this justify your vote?
Does it??
Does it justify it before God?
Consider the damage done to your witness—the damage done to Christ himself—even during the events of the last 48 hours alone, where:
1. “Nasty Person” was directed to a woman on an international stage by a man who claims to represent Christ and Evangelicals.
2. Trump was found legally liable by jury for sexually abusing and defaming E. Jean Carroll, one of over a dozen women who have accused him of sexual misconduct over the years.
3. Mocking and gaslighting victims of sexual abuse to thunderous applause.
To my Republican Christian friends,
I implore you to consider the damage to your witness and soul should you choose to support this man in any way.
How can you speak morals and ethics to your children on one hand and then support this kind of behavior with the other?
How can you ever expect the world to take your God seriously when you support those who abuse them in ungodly ways?
How can you use the same hand to cast a vote for Donald Trump that you use to receive communion?
The world sees the hypocrisy, and it is pushing people away from the very Kingdom of God that you profess to know and love.
For a Christian, there is FAR MORE at stake in the voting booth than laws and power.
For a Christian, our very integrity and character as ambassadors of Christ is on the line.
Christians, you must end this
A vote is not worth your credibility.
A vote is not worth your hypocrisy.
A vote is not worth your witness.
The world desperately needs to see you do the right thing, the Jesus thing. The world desperately needs to see you stand for integrity and character.
You may gain a W in an election, but what will you have given up in trade for it?
A vote is not worth your testimony.
A vote is not worth your soul.
Count the cost to the Kingdom, Christian.
Count. The. Cost.
End this.
https://kevinyoung.substack.com/p/when-nasty-is-the-norm
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TLDR/Boring***
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May 11, 2023, 9:44 PM
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Oculus Spirit [42307]
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Yeah sorry. It's not 99th iteration of a tranny joke.***
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May 11, 2023, 9:47 PM
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Couldn't handle it.***
May 12, 2023, 8:35 AM
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Re: TLDR/Boring***
May 12, 2023, 8:16 PM
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DO you know where you are going?
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Oculus Spirit [42307]
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Now, I actually rather disagree with him on his
May 11, 2023, 9:46 PM
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call to action. I think Christians can vote for Trump; I just don't think there is a Christian justification for voting for him. The nuance makes all the difference. Where I think I would find common ground with Dr. Young is the issue is the religious fervor that surrounds a man who, by his own words, does not believe in the central tenets of the faith — to say nothing of his overall essence that is sordid even for secular living.
I don't often hear the "Christian case" for Trump on here (outside of NJDev, who is more of a heretic than the street corner crazies), but it certainly exists out in the wild. I'm reminded of the saying that the fusion of Christianity and politics did not make politics any better, it only made Christianity worse. And it is hard separating the two, especially to non-believing onlookers, when you see #MAGA right next to ✝️ in the Twitter profile.
And my issue is not even the affairs or "sinnin'" as the preacher man might say -- but just as Dr. Young said...a man who in words, demeanor, and actions are not of a man at peace, but one of someone infinitely angry and bitter.
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Anyone that believes DJT sexually assaulted Carroll
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May 11, 2023, 9:57 PM
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is gd idiot.
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TigerNet Champion [121126]
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It is great having you around
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May 11, 2023, 9:59 PM
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now that we have confirmed that the opposite of everything you believe is true, with no exceptions.
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Paw Master [17172]
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Why do you believe her and not Tara Reade?
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May 11, 2023, 10:09 PM
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One had zero details, didn’t know the year, and waited 30 years to say something (just happened to be when peddling a book).
One did the opposite of that.
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TigerNet HOFer [133844]
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Cause he’s a panty-wearing pedo #######***
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May 11, 2023, 10:12 PM
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Re: Anyone that believes DJT sexually assaulted Carroll
May 12, 2023, 8:55 AM
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Anyone who doesn't believe Trump sexually assaulted someone in his lifetime is an idiot, or just a liar who doesn't care.
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Re: Anyone that believes DJT sexually assaulted Carroll
May 12, 2023, 3:11 PM
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is gd idiot.
Even the guy that Carroll's lawyers tried to keep off the jury because he followed some right-wing conspiracy-flinging news vlog said "guilty."
Is it more likely that the real "gd idiots" are the right wing cranks who are sure their daddy didn't do it, even though they didn't see the evidence presented in the trial? Trump certainly could have testified in his own defense if he wasn't guilty, but chose not to.
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Was it just my imagination
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May 11, 2023, 11:00 PM
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or did he ask himself how he had never noticed this behavior (Trump's whole brand) before and then never really reflected on it? I'd be genuinely curious to hear someone explain how they ignored the obvious for so long.
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Oculus Spirit [42307]
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I don't know if any of us realized how bad it was before
May 11, 2023, 11:03 PM
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2016. I mean, all the signs were there, but I guess we hoped it would mellow out?
I haven't read Young's piece on why he voted for him though.
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Re: Was it just my imagination
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May 12, 2023, 8:43 AM
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Too many of them shut themselves out from the real Trump by only honing in on certain TV and radio programs. My in-laws genuinely didn't know about his sexual transgressions, or the "grab em by the #####!" for two years after he was elected until my wife had to show them. They had shut out anything that would have exposed what Trump really was.
So we have several who didn't know/shut it out, several who lied to themselves because they thought he would somehow be their savior, and several who are just terrible people like him.
That's really the main problem. ###### people gravitate toward a leader like Trump. They're the most vocal supporters.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
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May 11, 2023, 11:51 PM
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This post nails it as to how Trump has exposed the Christian conservative community as complete and total frauds. They are never be taken seriously again, nor should they.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 4:50 AM
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So, Pastor Young, if we were to vote based on the integrity and character of the candidate as you suggest, who do we vote for? Are we talking about the primary? What if it’s Trump vs Biden in the general?
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 7:36 AM
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MUST PROTECT DADDY!!!
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 9:00 AM
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Just asking a question. You can’t talk about integrity, character and Biden in the same sentence. If the guy is asking us to vote for someone other than Trump in the primary I’m ok with that.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
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May 12, 2023, 9:27 AM
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I haven't been the one shaking my finger and b!tching about the lack of moral character for as long as I can remember. I'm not the one who has been whining about the moral decay in this country. I'm not the one who has been blaming the decline of the "nuclear family" for the problems in this country. I'm not the one who has bemoaned that we as a nation have turned our backs on God. I'm not the one who chanted "No draft dodger for POTUS back in 1992.
Trust me, most of my extended family are conservative Christians, and this is what I was indoctrinated with growing up. Trust me, I know your narrative inside and out. I can only LOL at how everything they said was complete and total BS as they all now thank GOD for DADDY and look to him to lead us back to their Christian Conservative (and white) utopia.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 9:30 AM
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Why are you such an angry and bitter person? Serious question.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 9:40 AM
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Who's bitter? I'm having a blast spinning you guys in circles and clubbing you like seals with your own ridiculous dogma. I even post with the "MEAN TWEETS" demeanor which further exposes the MAGAt hypocrisy every time someone whines about it. Keep flailing dude.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 9:44 AM
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Check that blood pressure. I bet it’s up a little. By the way, hearing you describe your family I bet you’re a real peach at get togethers.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 10:04 AM
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Most have passed on, so no issues there.
BP 119/79
Total cholesterol 149
Resting heart rate. 67
Thx for asking.
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Paw Warrior [4988]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 10:12 AM
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Pretty good numbers there. Looks about like mine except that my resting heart rate is about 52 to 54
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Ok, he’s basically saying Christian’s shouldn’t vote
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May 12, 2023, 8:10 AM
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He offers no alternative - who then should a Christian vote for?
And on a lighter note, he used the word gaslighting which means he’s 100% a yuppy Democrat
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In the primaries, it seems they have lots of choices...
May 12, 2023, 9:14 AM
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That are far better and more Christianlike than Trump.
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The Bible is a story of full of “better choices”
May 12, 2023, 11:33 AM
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For instance, Jesse had 8 sons. 7 were thought to be better choices for king. Although it was David whom God chose.
He was a man after God’s own heart. Yet he was far from perfect - he deceived, committed adultery, and murdered.
Not saying that Trump is a modern day king David, but the author of this article ignores the fact that Israel and Judah didn’t have “perfect kings”.
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Tiger Titan [48666]
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Well, here's the problem
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May 12, 2023, 11:42 AM
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Trump's not a Christian. He lies about that. He's a terrible person who is only about himself. He attempted to upend democracy and become a dictator. He doesn't believe he's a sinner.
This isn't the horse Christians want to hitch their wagon to. If anything fits definition of false prophet/idolatry, it's Trump. He is not going to advance Christianity in any way, shape, or form.
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 12, 2023, 2:59 PM
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I think your premise is flawed.
You say that because he is not a Christian, he will never do anything to advance Christianity
Roman emperors (that definitely were not Christian) did more to advance Christianity than any earthly “Christian Leader” ever did.
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Paw Warrior [4988]
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 12, 2023, 3:16 PM
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I can think of a few earthly leaders who did a pretty good job.
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 12, 2023, 3:58 PM
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Agreed, but you would be hard pressed to find one that advanced Christianity like Nero or Constantine
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Paw Warrior [4988]
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 12, 2023, 6:12 PM
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Well, you do make a point. Persecution forces one to stand strong in faith or crumble. Through history many brave Christian’s have remained strong in the face of unthinkable persecution.
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 15, 2023, 7:55 AM
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He did nothing to advance Christianity when he was in office. What will he do now?
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 15, 2023, 11:59 AM
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He appointed a Christian Supreme Court justice that overturned Roe v Wade and stopped the murder of innocent life, so there’s that…
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 15, 2023, 1:06 PM
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Please, the court was already loaded with Christians and they punted it back to the states. There decision wasn't based on religion.
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Re: Well, here's the problem
May 15, 2023, 9:44 PM
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It doesn’t matter what it’s based on, it was good and right
And I don’t claim to be a student of the the law, but I will point out that that the United States practices common law, which is rooted in Christianity. So there’s that…
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 7:17 PM
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Blessed are the peacemakers.
GoTrump!
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 12, 2023, 11:50 PM
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If only we could have a candidate that doesn't defile himself/herself by what comes out of their mouth. Haven't seen one of those in a while.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 14, 2023, 2:22 PM
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This is more nuanced than that. For instance, what Christian option is there instead of Trump? I'm honestly curious. You're assuming the greater good is based off of an acceptance of character flaws, and not results. No further wars and abortion alone are a basis any Christian can justify their vote by, but I'll go further. Many people simply think he's the only person that can beat the democrats. That alone, based on how unchristianlike the democratic policies are in real life, is justification also. I have zero problem standing in front of God, telling him I voted for a person with a foul mouth that's self centered that also put in place originalist judges that struck down Roe vs Wade. If he wants me to vote for someone else that will continue to allow 133k babies a year to be slaughtered, than that's not the God that I've been worshipping in my Bible.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 14, 2023, 10:12 PM
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Literally every single candidate out there, Democrat and republican, is a better Christian choice than Trump.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 14, 2023, 10:31 PM
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Ok, so be specific. Who is the best candidate for a Christian voter?
Pick one
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 1:16 PM
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Don't know which one is the best. Can't think of one off of the top of my head that has lower Christian values than DADDY, which is my point.
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 2:14 PM
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Typical…. Lots of talk and then you don’t know!?!?
Just man up and pick one big shot
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 1:17 PM
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Educate me. Chapter and verse on abortion. I'll wait.
ba·by
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a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
"his wife's just had a baby"
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 2:31 PM
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Exodus 21:22-25
“When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman's husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
And then you can go read these…
Exodus 20:13
Ecclesiastes 11:5
Psalm 139:13
Job 1:2
Job 31:13–15
Luke 1:41
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 2:43 PM
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None of your verses address a woman and pro-choice, or what happens to a woman who causes her own miscarriage. Actually, you quoted a case of a woman being assaulted. Trump has championed that famous people like him should be able to get away with assaulting a woman, and he's even bragged about doing it. I'm pretty sure most, if not all of his political opponents (dem and GOP) are against that. What a disastrous post by you.
And I have yet to touch the subject of adultery. Wanna go there?
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 3:01 PM
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You are completely wrong
This verse clearly establishes that killing a child in the womb is murder and punishable by death
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Orange Elite [5246]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 3:11 PM
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It clearly states that if a miscarriage is caused by a physical assault. What does it say about a woman choosing her own miscarriage? Why doesn't it say punishable by death for whoever causes a miscarriage? A superior being wrote this, correct? And why are your kind not outraged by the millions "murdered" in IVF clinics?
Shall not be infringed!!!!
You haven't answered if you want to discuss the issue of adultery, which is CLEARLY spelled out in the Bible. You just kind of want to pretend that doesn't equate, correct? How inconvenient.
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 6:28 PM
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Birmingham Tiger approach to an argument:
Lose argument and pivot to unrelated point (adultery in this case) to distract from the issue of murdering innocent children
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Orange Elite [5246]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 16, 2023, 9:53 AM
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You're just mad that you failed to prove where the Bible says that pro-choice is forbidden. You can't prove your point without contradiction which is all too common with Chritian doctrine. Sorry Baw. And LOL at your definition of "children".
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Asst Coach [830]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 21, 2023, 9:07 AM
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So there's like, ya know, "thou shall not murder"
Please show me where it says you can electives kill your children out of convenience
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 3:08 PM
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What’s your take on suicide and the Bible?
I believe the Bible is clear that suicide is a sin.
Why do you think God would make it a sin to take your own life, but then carve out the special right of a woman or a doctor to take the life of an innocent child in the womb?
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Orange Elite [5246]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 3:13 PM
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Babies are committing suicide? You keep stretching, and failing in spectacular fashion.
Why is it you are skimping right passed the issue of adultery, which is very cut and dry? I'll wait.
#ShallNotBeInfringed
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 3:40 PM
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I’m not
This thread was a reply to someone that said Trump didn’t to one thing to advance Christianity.
Adultery is every bit of a sin as abortion and Trump is definitely guilty of one and likely guilty of both.
But you show me a presidential candidate or anyone for that matter that isn’t a sinner, and I’ll show you a liar
But you are obsessed with Trump, so let’s keep talking about him
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Asst Coach [830]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 15, 2023, 5:49 PM
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It's not adultery vs abortion. I can't prevent Trump from being an adulterer or not. Thats one person anyway. I'd much rather try to prevent innocent lives being taken. I mean, you can play justification with scripture all you want, but "Thou shall not murder" is pretty clear. But just like "Shall not be infringed" in the Constitution, you guys seem to just make your mind up and then figure out how to justify it later.
I wish Trump was literally perfect. He's not. No one is, but my choices are my choices. One has directly led to setting the grounds for reducing abortions. The others haven't. That's not an opinion.
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Orange Elite [5246]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 16, 2023, 7:13 AM
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This is a discussion on what better "Christian" options there are besides Trump. Trump is a chitty Christian, for which you continue to give him a pass for.
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Orange Elite [5246]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 16, 2023, 7:09 AM
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Sir, this is the question that YOU asked for which you are taking a beating:
"what Christian option is there instead of Trump?"
As I said before, pretty much anyone is a better "Christian option" when it comes to Trump. Sorry Baw, facts.
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All-TigerNet [5706]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 16, 2023, 8:20 AM
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that wasn’t my question so don’t quote me
maybe you should take some basic reading comprehension classes
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Asst Coach [830]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 16, 2023, 11:26 AM
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You're more concerned with whether the person himself is a Christian than if the policies are good?
Would you rather vote for a person that steals but makes theft illegal or a person that doesn't steal but makes theft legal?
I personally wish Trump spoke better, was less self centered, etc, but I'm wayyyyy more interested in his policies. I don't understand where this obsession with electing the best Christian came from. There aren't any to begin with.
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Orange Elite [5246]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 16, 2023, 1:01 PM
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Are "no further wars" and abortion actual Trump policy? You claim that those 2 issue alone should secure him the Chrostian vote. It seems Trump is waffling right now on abortion bans. Oooops. 😆
And again, lol at how you complain about democrats being "unchristianlike", but you justify Trump. Speaking of reading the Bible, are you familiar with the "Sheep and the Goats". Let's hear you ""Christianlike " tap dance to justify Trumps border policy. Dis gonna be good.
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Asst Coach [830]
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Re: Pastoral reflections on the CNN Town Hall with Donald Trump
May 21, 2023, 9:10 AM
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Yes, considering Presidents policies generally don't matter a whole lot, wars and abortion are huge. Again, putting originalist judges on the court itself was reason enough IMO to elect him.
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