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I need a people mover vehicle, no minivan, recommend a SUV
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I need a people mover vehicle, no minivan, recommend a SUV
Mar 26, 2021, 1:22 PM
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I am leaning towards Ford, Chevy, or Jeep, but also considering Toyota and Kia.
Of those companies, I'm looking more mid/large size so for Ford its the Explorer. For Chevy, the Traverse, for Jeep the soon to be released Grand Cherokee L, for Toyota the Highlander, and Kia the Telluride.
I've had Fords, Jeeps, and Toyota in the past, but never the others. Does anyone here have an Explorer or Traverse? I'm guess the GCL will pretty much be the same as the existing Grand Cherokee except a little bigger to fit the 3rd row. Does anyone have the Jeep's cousin Dodge Durango?
Does anyone have a Telluride? Those are getting lots of hype. I don't know much at all about Kia, but people seem to be loving the Telluride.
The Chevy Traverse seems to be the biggest without stepping up to a Tahoe/Yucan or Expedition. I can actually fit in the 3rd row of a Traverse, unlike the Highlander (I can fit if I sit diagonally). I've never owned a Chevy though, does anyone have a 2018 or newer Traverse? 2018 is their current look, prior to was an older body frame.
Does anyone have a newer Explorer (2020 or later)? Curious to hear if going back to rear-wheel drive made a difference (I think they were front-wheel drive from 2012 to 2019).
I really do love the 4Runner, but that doesn't seem like a good family option. If I was looking to take a vehicle off road and wanted a SUV over a truck, I'd probably get a 4Runner, but I'm not, so I'm looking for basically a 4 door minivan with all-wheel drive.
Thanks!
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Obed said he has friends that have Tellurides
Mar 26, 2021, 1:24 PM
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and has not found a reason to complain yet
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They hype seems to continue...
Mar 26, 2021, 1:43 PM
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I have yet to hear anything negative about them.
For Jeeps, Chevy, Ford, I hear mixed reviews, for Kia it's like 100% positive.
A mechanic told me to get the Highlander if I don't want to see him. I thought that was interesting information.
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i keep going back to higlhanders in my searches
Mar 26, 2021, 1:47 PM
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got an older one right now that won't die (granted, i've hardly put any miles on it in a year)
I like the 2018-19s....not sold on the new body style changes tho
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Same, I like the pervouis body better on the Highlander
Mar 26, 2021, 1:59 PM
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The Highlander is definitely a contender. I like low maintenance. I don't want to spend much free time or time-off from work at a shop dealing with car crap. I worry if I get a Chevy, Jeep, or Ford that will inevitably happen. Toyota, Kia, and Honda seem to be more reliable.
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You can get a Honda Pilot, it meets everything you describe
Mar 26, 2021, 2:42 PM
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and is super reliable, it just absolutely has no style about it. By the time we traded ours in, we just were tired of looking at that big silver lifeless box in the garage. It's the closest to a van without getting a van, and I think the new ones look even more van-like.
210k miles with VERY FEW issues, we did tear the interior up, but had 3 small kids in there and doggies.
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It works great unless your wife is the jealous type,
Mar 26, 2021, 2:47 PM
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because no way you're pulling out of the driveway in a P-magnet like that without her riding shotgun.
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I didn't add Honda for that very reason
Mar 26, 2021, 2:56 PM
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It looks like a 4 door minivan. At least the others try to like like an SUV. The Pilot is straight up minivan. If they did a redesign, I'd consider it for sure.
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I really like the Tellurides
Mar 26, 2021, 2:20 PM
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So I have tried to find a used one but at first not many out there so I assumed most people liked and didn’t want to trade. Some others showing up now that were probably 2 year leases brand new. I like the m and have owned a Kia which was reliable and low maintenance.
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Another plus for the Telluride
Mar 26, 2021, 3:22 PM
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Thanks! This may be the best route for me.
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We went 4Runner cause the Highlander was too small for
Mar 26, 2021, 2:27 PM
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5. It is questionable whether 5 fit in the 4Runner TBH.
The Toyota reliability sold me, plus I like the ride of a 4Runner.
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They've gotten really popular in the last few years
Mar 26, 2021, 2:29 PM
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Which is funny, because its essentially the same truck they've made since 2010.
Those things need a serious injection of HP though. I drove one a few months back when I was getting teh oil changed in our older 4runner. A vehicle the size of a Tahoe needs more than a NA V6 can provide.
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Yeah, that is the only downside, my wife's has very little
Mar 26, 2021, 2:31 PM
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get up and GTFO in it. If I were to rob a bank, that would NOT be the getaway car.
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I don't know why they never put the small Toyota V8
Mar 26, 2021, 2:36 PM
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in that truck. It was a great match for the version before it.
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They did.
Mar 26, 2021, 2:37 PM
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Greenr tried to convince WifeofGreenr we needed that
Mar 26, 2021, 2:40 PM
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and she politely declined. THAT is my biggest regret on this vehicle so far, I should have pushed for the L
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(thought) I lucked up and got onein the Enterprise Emerald Club
Mar 26, 2021, 2:37 PM
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lot in Denver for our ride to Telluride and back a few years ago. I was pretty pumped because I found it in a sea of Kia Sedonas and Jeep Libertys, and it was a brand new TRD Pro with about 200 miles on it (I was a little shocked to see that trim line in a rental fleet too).
The pros were that it snowed from Gunnison to Telluride and that truck was a mountain goat in the white stuff. The downside was that on the non-snowy portions of the drive it was just a bucking bronco on the road. Horrible ride seems to be a trend for any current Toyota truck or SUV with the Pro or Off Road package.
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I bought a new Tacoma back in 2010.
Mar 26, 2021, 2:44 PM
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I'll be honest and state that I had no idea what the packages meant; The TRD OR was more expensive than the Sport package, so I figured it must have more stuff, so I bought that.
Holy crap--it rode terrible. Like a wagon terrible. I thought it might be the BFG Long Trail T/A's it had OEM, so I swapped them out for some Michelin LTX's. $1200 later, its wasn't the tires.
So I took it in to the dealer and complained, and they said there was a TSB for the rear springs, so they replaced them. It had 3 leaf, leaf springs in the rear, and they replaced them with 4 leaf, leaf springs. GOOD GOD WHAT DID THEY DO? It just kind of bounced over bumps then, rather than giving in and cushioning the ride.
I traded it for a Tahoe a few months later.
Edit: I noticed that the 2021 model STILL has rear drum brakes. I don't know of any other production vehicle that still uses drum brakes...except for a Tacoma.
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^^^He's right, you know.
Mar 26, 2021, 1:49 PM
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Telluride seems to be best bang for the buck on the market today in the class. People who own em love em.
The new Explorer does get good reviews but hard to believe you'll achieve the same long term reliability and resale value once out of warranty with the Ford than the Kia. Just stay away from the Chevy---their current midsize SUV offerings are years behind the others.
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Another confirmation...
Mar 26, 2021, 1:56 PM
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And, interesting info about Chevy. I am really leaning towards a Traverse for the size. I like that an adult can actually fit in the 3rd row. I also like that when the 3rd row is up, there is still plenty of cargo space. It seems like a really good option for family haulers. But... I don't want a hunk of junk either.
I've never owned anything GM, so can't speak to them. I've had 3 Jeeps. All have had issues / recalls. I'm not sure I would want to buy another Chrysler / Fiat vehicle. But... that upcoming Grand Cherokee L looks really good. Best looking one on the market IMO. Maybe I should lease a new one? We'll see soon enough I suppose.
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The whole GM line is really behind the times in
Mar 26, 2021, 2:23 PM
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quality, tech, and design. The trucks have had quality and drivetrain problems since they redesigned in 2014. The diesel HD trucks are stable, but the gas versions of the 1500's suffer problems up through the current MY.
I'd be hard pressed to buy any GM product at this point, unless it were a diesel HD truck or a Corvette.
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Thanks for that info, I really wouldn't have noticed that...
Mar 26, 2021, 2:59 PM
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Just reading interwebs reviews. I don't know much at all about the tech or safety or reliability of GM, but the reviews seem mixed at best. Maybe Ford really is better?
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I don't know anything about Ford cars.
Mar 26, 2021, 3:16 PM
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People who own their trucks certainly seem to think highly of them.
I won't own a Ford for other reasons from years ago that I won't let go of, so I'll never know anything about them. Given the choice between Ubering everywhere I need to go and buying any Ford, I'm Ubering.
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This week I had the chance to ride in the new
Mar 26, 2021, 1:28 PM
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Grand Wagoneer. That thing is freaking amazing, but also $80k
If I were me in that siuation, I would snag a Yukon AT4.
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Yeah, those are great, looking for the size below
Mar 26, 2021, 1:46 PM
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Although, I guess I wouldn't rule out a Tahoe or GMC Yukon. I'm pretty sure I don't want Suburban or Yukon XL size. That's too big for my needs.
I really like the Traverse, but I just don't know anyone who has a newer one. They look sharp, especially the RS package.
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I had an 18 Acadia which has the same 3.6 V6
Mar 26, 2021, 1:45 PM
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Which I liked for its combination of fuel economy and power. It was surprisingly quick, but the Acadia is a smaller body.
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Re: I had an 18 Acadia which has the same 3.6 V6
Mar 26, 2021, 1:50 PM
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Good info. I like the Acadia, very sharp looking. It looks better than the Traverse, but yeah, I like the size of the Traverse better, so that is why I didn't mention GMC. The Traverse seems perfectly fine. A good "soccer mom/dad" vehicle that's not a minivan. It's on my shortlist.
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I thought the Acadia was the GMC version
Mar 26, 2021, 2:02 PM
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of the Traverse.
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Re: I thought the Acadia was the GMC version
Mar 26, 2021, 2:04 PM
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I think it shares a lot of the same parts, but the body is smaller. I don't fit in the 3rd row of an Acadia but in a Traverse it's not a problem. The third row in the Traverse is actually roomier than the 3rd row in a Tahoe.
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Re: I had an 18 Acadia which has the same 3.6 V6
Mar 27, 2021, 11:56 AM
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That's what my wife has. She loves it, and she's always been a fan of sedans. It's the first SUV she's had as her car.
The gas mileage on that SUV is superb compared to most, but yeah, it's a little smaller than Explorers or Traverses.
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Subaru Ascent
Mar 26, 2021, 2:01 PM
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Very much looking forward to the responses.
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Not bad, but I think he's mentioned before that his wife
Mar 26, 2021, 2:03 PM
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doesn't braid her armpits.
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The third row seats fold down in the back
Mar 26, 2021, 2:04 PM
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perfect amount of room for muff high diving
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i'm not sure where her legs end and
Mar 26, 2021, 2:14 PM
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my shoulders begin
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I think she's well beyond hippie. That one might
Mar 26, 2021, 2:16 PM
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roll her own tampons.
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I bet she's never used one.
Mar 26, 2021, 2:25 PM
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menstrual cup FTW.
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You don't think she uses bound Cherokee hair?***
Mar 26, 2021, 2:26 PM
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she makes blankets out of that***
Mar 26, 2021, 2:27 PM
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Nah, she doesn't need blankets.***
Mar 26, 2021, 2:36 PM
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I have a suggestion
Mar 26, 2021, 2:08 PM
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Please post tids
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You need a 3rd row or not?
Mar 26, 2021, 2:37 PM
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Of all you've listed it's a Telluride or 4Runner. The rest can all DIAF.
3rd row small SUVs all suck. The 3rd row is useless unless you're a family of shorties.
Grand Cherokee L will be a brand new generation of a FIAT built SUV. Run away. Fast.
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Re: You need a 3rd row or not?
Mar 26, 2021, 2:45 PM
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Interesting feedback, thanks. The 3rd row on most is pretty useless, except the Traverse. I am 6 feet tall and I can fit in the 3rd row. With any other "SUV" I'm either cramped but can fit (Durango and Explorer for example) or I don't fit really at all (Highlander and Mazda CX9 come to mind).
It's looking like the Telluride may be the way to go.
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Highlander is the best SUV on the market
Mar 26, 2021, 2:42 PM
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Best value & quality and it Will move people.
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Re: Highlander is the best SUV on the market
Mar 26, 2021, 2:53 PM
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I went to the county dump and in about 1 minute I saw 6 High
Mar 26, 2021, 2:58 PM
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Highlanders. They are popular for a reason, no doubt, but their popularity and size are two reason I don't want one. There has to be more Highlanders out there than the others right? It seems that way.
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You buyin new or used? Tell me budget and
Mar 26, 2021, 3:00 PM
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deal breakers (year of car, mileage, features) and I'll tell you what you should buy.
Most regular lungers find my service highly useful because it allows them to go get something not even close to what I recommended nor what they indicated they wanted.
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Re: You buyin new or used? Tell me budget and
Mar 26, 2021, 3:08 PM
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Hahaha.
It looks like every last one of them starts in the 30k range. I was thinking if I go Chevy or Jeep or Ford I may lease due to reliability concerns (I've never leased though). Everything would be under warranty and if I don't like it, I can try again in 2 or 3 years.
If I buy I will trade in either my current Jeep Cherokee (2014) or Camery (2012). Both are paid off, so I'll probably sell one to Carvana or CarMax then use that as a down payment.
If I lease, I want brand new. If I buy, I want 60 months 0% financing. I would like to keep the total price with trade in under 35k. I'm willing to buy used, but to a limit. The Traverse for example had a redesign in 2018, so I would not buy a 2017. The Explorer just recently had one, but I'd be open to like a 2019 Explorer.
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Interesting. I didn't even think about Lexus
Mar 26, 2021, 3:28 PM
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I like that idea. I get the guts of a Toyota but an elevated look/feel going with the Lexus brand. Hmm...
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i'd been looking into them for a bit
Mar 26, 2021, 3:31 PM
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the ONLY downside (for me, anyway) is that I didn't need a V8 and the gas guzzling that comes with it....and the fact that I think they look reeeeaaaaallly dated from some angles
at least the 2010 4runner design still looks good all around
great great vehicle tho, wish i didn't have those 2 hang ups
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Oh, I see that
Mar 26, 2021, 3:35 PM
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re: dated look.
The new Grand Cherokee L looks the best of them all IMO.
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Wait. You like the looks of that?
Mar 26, 2021, 9:05 PM
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This changes everything. Have you looked into a Ford Flex?
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That fuel economy tho***
Mar 26, 2021, 3:34 PM
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It won't be any worse than the V6.
Mar 26, 2021, 11:09 PM
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At 105K miles on our V8 4runner, it gets about 17 mpg all around, as it rarely gets highway miles on it. I can't imagine the V6 version will do any better.
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It'd be hard to beat the ease of which Carmax will buy a car
Mar 26, 2021, 3:36 PM
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I spent less than 30 minutes total in the place before I Ubered out of there with a check.
They have that process down to a science.
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Yeah, my offer still stands***
Mar 26, 2021, 3:39 PM
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The point here is that unless you can get that whole process
Mar 26, 2021, 3:50 PM
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knocked out in < 30 minutes, $200, at least for me, isn't offering much value to the equation.
It's usually not a good idea to sell someone you know, even peripherally, a car (or a house, or well, anything of any value). It's kinda like you get rid of it, but you never really do.
I mean I sold a washer and dryer on Next door to someone I don't even know last October for $375, and got a calls about them monthly, up to and including earlier this month. And the washer was still under a full Lowe's warranty.
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How can you not do it in 30 mins?
Mar 26, 2021, 9:20 PM
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You tell me your asking price and if there’s a payoff, I get a cashiers check for you and the finance company, bring it to you, sign bill of sale and title it available or power of atty if not, we shake hands and I drive off in your truck. They aren’t doing anything magic.
The bigger cost in a state like TN where sales tax isn’t capped is in losing the ability to deduct the trade in value from the purchase price when calculating sales tax. Trading in a 40k car here is worth about $3700 I’m sales tax savings.
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Ti-tl-e is censored?***
Mar 26, 2021, 9:21 PM
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All of that first part.
Mar 26, 2021, 11:01 PM
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No need for anyone running around to finance companies, getting cashiers checks, all that stuff.
When i took my truck to Carmax, I drove up, they took some pictures, gave me a quote 10 minutes later, asked me if I wanted to do it, and then sent me to another area where I signed the paperwork, and they gave me a check.
There was no payoff on mine, so it went even faster.
Also, I found out that usually car dealers will give you less for a trade than carmax will. And then there is that thing with a trade in that car dealers do, conflating the trade in/new car purchase etc.
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It’s really hit or miss on dealer vs Carmax. There’s no
Mar 26, 2021, 11:21 PM
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Rhyme or reason. It is worth checking with carvana and similar though, as they’ll often beat carmax and they’ll come pick it up at your house.
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Prob cause they sell more than most. I’m on my third one
Mar 26, 2021, 3:07 PM
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All company vehicles, so I’m on highway 95% of the time. I’ve got 61,000 miles on current one, and it’s averaging 28.0 mpg. Pleanty of power also, but I rarely drive it hard. Still not a single rattle in it....
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Yeah, considering the saftey features and reliability,
Mar 26, 2021, 3:10 PM
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The Highlander has to be a consideration for me. I prefer the 2019 style over the brand new ones, so for a Highlander, I would consider used, but only 2019. They didn't have Apple Car Play till then, and I want that for my next car.
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Having had that in my last few vehicles
Mar 26, 2021, 3:23 PM
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I found i didn't use it near as much as I thought I would.
It was just easier to connect through bluetooth, and play whatever music through whatever app I was using at the time. It just doesn't seem to add much value in that process, IMO.
Some cars are coming with wireless carplay, so that may be more useful, I dunno. My phone still requires a cable to charge, but it seems it would be odd to require a wire to connect to Carplay on a phone that wirelessly charges.
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I use android auto and something about it causes it
Mar 26, 2021, 4:07 PM
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to disconnect (Ford and GMC). With GMC it would crash in an hour and only work again if the vehicle was restarted. With FORD, it disconnects every 2 minutes or so except for some rare occasions when it will last 30 mins.
I love Android AUTO b/c waze and music. But I'm going to wreck one day trying to unplug and reconnect to phone.
They are coming out with a wired wireless module which seems dumb. Why doesn't it just work wirelessly already.
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Agreed.
Mar 26, 2021, 4:37 PM
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One of the apps in the GMC I just got rid of--I think it was Siriusxm--won't start working unless its wired in, but if you unplug the phone while its running, it will continue working wirelessly. Its very strange.
I've read it takes additional h/w for Android auto/Carplay work wirelessly. I posted the other day about Porsche doing a major software update that not only sped up the car but also gave it Android Auto/Carplay wireless ability. I guess they built in the necessary hardware to do it, but didn't originally program it to work wirelessly.
That would be nice if all cars had the capability and all it took was a software update to work.
For your disconnecting issue, you may want to check your phone cable. I don't know about Androids, but Apple cables have to be a certain resistance in the cable, else it won't always work correctly. If the cable isn't "MFi" (made for Iphone) certified, it will sometimes do flakey things...like connect/disconnect repeatedly like you describe. But it doesn't do that all the time, which is the maddening part. Sometimes the cheap cable will work just fine. Anyway, try a new, better cable. Might fix your issue.
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Re: I use android auto and something about it causes it
Mar 27, 2021, 12:03 PM
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Make sure you're cleaning out the connection port on your phone. A paper clip works well. You'll be surprised how much lint gets in there. I found when I started losing connections regularly with Android Auto, that was the solution.
I don't like how it likes to go nuts on you if you haven't updated it. That's a pain in the ###.
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Re: I need a people mover vehicle, no minivan, recommend a SUV
Mar 27, 2021, 11:48 AM
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I had a 2017 Explorer before I traded it in for my truck. I really did love it. It's a good ride for people and not too bad with the third row. It's also a deceptively heavy and big car. My only real beef with it was that it was a bit of a bear to park with the front visibility. I can park my truck easier.
I know the Explorers only got even more badass in the later models.
The Traverse is great (almost as big as a Tahoe), but one of our friends has one and she hasn't been 100 percent satisfied. But I've enjoyed the ride in it. I believe it has more HP than the Explorer.
Keep this in mind with the Explorer: Used ones are EVERYWHERE. Which means you have a lot of haggling power with dealers to get what you want. You can easily snag a nice deal on a former rental Explorer, which you know was kept up well. We got a great deal on mine when I bought it in 2018.
The Highlander is a good, reliable SUV, but it looks too much like a mom car if that matters to you. I felt the Explorers and Traverses looked a lot more bad ###.
Forgot to mention the Acadia (mentioned now in another post). This is what my wife has and she likes it a lot, and she's never really cared for SUVs. It has great gas mileage compared to other SUVs, but it's going to be a little smaller. You won't have much space in the third row or as much in the cargo.
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We've never owned a chevy either but
Mar 27, 2021, 9:18 PM
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Purchased a 2016 Suburban two years ago.
We like it alot.
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