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Letterman [276]
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Dabo...you need to get with the portal chortle!!
Sep 20, 2022, 9:07 PM
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So I've seen over the last few seasons that Dabo and co. work their tuchases off to recruit 4's and 5's only to see an uncomfortable number of them leave for other pastures.
I'm not blaming those players. The portal and NIL is the reality of college football now, not what we may wish it to be. I respect Dabo's future men culture and focus on graduating but having a team like FSU who has been a whipping boy for the last few seasons see themselves bootstrapping off the back of portals makes me frustrated.
Clemson could be reaping lots of talent via the portal while offering Dabo the chance to shape future men who need him and keep us competitive. When we played LSU for the natty it became glaringly obvious how owned we got by portal talent.
It just seems like we do all the heavy lifting to recruit quality players only to ship them off to other competitors.
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Orange Blooded [4922]
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We only hurt ourselves by not using the portal
Sep 20, 2022, 9:11 PM
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Brutal to sit back and watch other programs get the key players they need while we sit idle.
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Re: We only hurt ourselves by not using the portal
Sep 20, 2022, 9:34 PM
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What "key player" have we lost to the Portal? We have lost backups at best and except for rare guys that actually play for other schools, backups are what you find in the Portal.
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Orange Blooded [4922]
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Im not talking about the players we lost…
Sep 20, 2022, 9:51 PM
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I’m talking about the key players that other teams gained by utilizing the portal.
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Freshman [-79]
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What position should we have signed and who would we sit?
Sep 20, 2022, 10:21 PM
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Again, the portal is not the magic sauce.
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Orange Blooded [2390]
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Re: What position should we have signed and who would we sit?
Sep 21, 2022, 2:02 AM
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We did get Hunter from the portal
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Freshman [-79]
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Exactly. These guys just imagine you go sign Burrows and Sermons
Sep 20, 2022, 10:35 PM
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And sit who we have now.
We have great players. I can't think of one position where we'd sit our starter for some magical transfer player.
And too, statistics muc
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Re: Exactly. These guys just imagine you go sign Burrows and Sermons
Sep 20, 2022, 10:57 PM
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Not even one huh?
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@Valley Boy makes a great point that was responded to only
Sep 21, 2022, 6:46 AM
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with crickets. Name a player that has left the Clemson program through the transfer portal that has gone on to make a major impact at another P5 school. I’ll add one other caveat to this, it has to be a player that was not problematic to the culture of the program or asked to leave, thus the reason they transferred out.
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Rock Defender [52]
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Mike Jones
Sep 21, 2022, 2:14 PM
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Playing great for LSU the last 2 years.
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If they didn’t play much at Clemson, and didn’t make an impact elsewhere
Sep 21, 2022, 3:15 PM
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then we should consider that a recruiting miss by our coaching staff, yes?
It’s inconsistent to rave about a recruit when we sign him and talk about “we too deep,” but then act like he stinks when he leaves.
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Orange Blooded [4193]
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Re: We only hurt ourselves by not using the portal
Sep 20, 2022, 9:53 PM
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oh your gonna get banned for voicing your opinion or point of view or maybe miss spelling a word
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Freshman [-79]
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BS. What position are we in need and who would we bench.
Sep 20, 2022, 9:12 PM
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Why is it some of you think "the portal" is the magic sauce?
"Oh but Alabama and Georgia blah blah blah"..that's NOT why they're good.
We can be just as good as we've been, using a developmental model.
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Athletic Dir [878]
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There is one major flaw with your logic
Sep 20, 2022, 9:20 PM
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Development model would be perfectly fine if players weren't transferring out. Problem is players that could be major contributors as seniors are transferring out and leaving holes in the roster. Again if we weren't losing players to the portal I'd be fine staying away, but that's not the case. It's a one way door for Clemson and it's caused our depth to suffer.
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Letterman [276]
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Re: There is one major flaw with your logic
Sep 20, 2022, 9:53 PM
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This is exactly my point. Well said!!!
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Re: There is one major flaw with your logic
Sep 20, 2022, 10:22 PM
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We will have basically 3 new talented WR's next year, if you count Stalato.
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Re: There is one major flaw with your logic
Sep 20, 2022, 10:32 PM
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Stelato
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Freshman [-79]
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Can you name one player we lost who
Sep 20, 2022, 10:23 PM
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didn't leave because he was buried on the depth chart?
What holes? Transfer players don't transfer to fill holes. They come to start. What position do we need a starter, and who would we bench?
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Re: There is one major flaw with your logic
Sep 21, 2022, 2:06 AM
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Soon as you go to the portal you take a spot away from another player. What do you think that player is going to do? He is more than likely going to go in the portal.
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Re: There is one major flaw with your logic
Sep 21, 2022, 4:09 AM
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It actually allows us to pick up another WR that could produce for us for 4-5 years!
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Re: There is one major flaw with your logic
Sep 21, 2022, 6:11 AM
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Not sure who we have lost that I would say really had a major effect on the depth chart. Definitely would be fun to get a splash instant starter type transfer but like I had mentioned and others as well that is not very likely under Dabo. Just not how he runs his teams. Hate so many are disappointed in a model that seems to be working ok for the team and for the kids that are going the traditional route. There is a reason kids transfer out and that’s the possibility of immediate playing time and with the new rules that can easily be obtained. I’m sure if those kids could see the light at the end of the tunnel and could see that they may play they would stay but some can see the writing on the wall and believe transferring out gives them a better opportunity. Just hate so many kids end up stuck in there, but it’s the chance you take.
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Yet another post criticizing a coach who has won two
Sep 21, 2022, 5:16 PM
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national championships, while defending a coach...
sigh...never mind.
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Athletic Dir [878]
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Ruke is a great example of this.
Sep 20, 2022, 9:24 PM
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If he would have transferred 2 years ago no one would have thought anything of it. But look at how valuable he is now. Guarantee some of the guys who are leaving or have left would be the same.
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Freshman [-79]
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We sign and develop. If Ruke would've left
Sep 20, 2022, 10:29 PM
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we would've signed another 4 or 5 star to build..
The thing you portal dudes keep missing is, a transfer guy doesn't transfer to add depth, because he's already depth at the school he's leaving. He's leaving that school because he wants to start.
We don't have a need for a starter. Any depth will come the traditional way.
Keep in mind, we're not against the portal. Dabo has said he'd use it if he has an absolute need. We actually did dig in the portal for an OL, and just didn't find the right match.
We don't need to change what we're doing.
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Re: We sign and develop. If Ruke would've left
Sep 21, 2022, 4:11 AM
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Yup. Though we did offer an OL from the portal. The guy from Virginia. He choose to sign with.. Notre Dame I think? Either way he was the only offer I heard about.
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Re: BS. What position are we in need and who would we bench.
Sep 20, 2022, 9:47 PM
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So you would have traded Trevor for Burrow?
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Re: BS. What position are we in need and who would we bench.
Sep 20, 2022, 9:49 PM
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If you just go by who is better, and not by personality, Burrow was and is clearly the better player.
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Well, Trevor was ready straight outta high school. Joe… not so much.
Sep 20, 2022, 10:05 PM
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Joe is a fine player. Trevor is 3 years younger. I think both are gonna have fine NFL careers.
You put Trevor on that LSU team and you don’t think he could put up similar numbers? Hmmm?
~JKB
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Re: Well, Trevor was ready straight outta high school. Joe… not so much.
Sep 20, 2022, 10:18 PM
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Or put Trevor on the Bengals with Chase, Higgins, and Mixon and his NFL record would be much different as well.
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Freshman [-79]
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Re: BS. What position are we in need and who would we bench.
Sep 20, 2022, 10:04 PM
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Obviously if the right player is out there to fill a void, Dabo will go after….look at this offseason for o-lineman.
What I don’t think many realize who keep crying about the lack of portal activity by Clemson is this is a two way street. Just because Clemson offers a transfer player doesn’t mean they are going to commit….also…look at this offseason.
I think for the time being Dabo going to have a tough time getting transfers even if he starts offering because he is not going to sell it as a guaranteed starting spot. If you read or listen to Dabo he is very loyal to his own recruits/current Tigers. Could Dabo possibly take some low level WR/Linemen who would be satisfied just to be on Clemson? Sure… but in reality they aren't much better than the bottom of the depth chart now and what does that do to win a championship?
In due time…Clemson will start taking portal guys but don’t think just because there are top tier guys available that Clemson is a lock to get the them.
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Re: BS. What position are we in need and who would we bench.
Sep 20, 2022, 10:15 PM
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Not what I said. I’m not saying we needed burrow. I’m saying burrow and sermon were difference makers for those teams. Our difference maker could have been a different position or positions.
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Freshman [-79]
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And again, what have we needed, and who we bench?***
Sep 20, 2022, 10:38 PM
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Re: And again, what have we needed, and who we bench?***
Sep 20, 2022, 11:02 PM
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I think you need to take off those orange colored glasses. There most certainly have been and continue to be players that hit the portal that are good quality people and talented players who could step in and not only help at certain positions but even start for us as well as aide in the development of younger guys through maturity and competition. You act like Clemson has had near perfect play at every single position on the field over the years. That’s absurd. We’ve had some really good teams but none have had all perfect talent at every position. No team has anywhere at any time in history including 2019 LSU.
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Re: BS. What position are we in need and who would we bench.
Sep 21, 2022, 1:22 PM
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The portal isn't open yet so that's impossible to answer.
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Quick question :
Sep 20, 2022, 10:01 PM
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Who has the longest winning streak in college football?
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Re: Quick question :
Sep 20, 2022, 10:12 PM
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UGA - what’s your point?
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Re: Quick question :
Sep 20, 2022, 10:20 PM
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Umm no... but they won what matters, so there is that.
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every 1 got beat by LSU that year.. even the Portal users***
Sep 20, 2022, 10:13 PM
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Re: List of players on the 2019 LSU team acquired from the TP...
Sep 21, 2022, 1:29 PM
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Burrow transfered as a graduate prior to the institution of the portal.
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Correct, making this comment by the OP...
Sep 21, 2022, 1:35 PM
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"When we played LSU for the natty it became glaringly obvious how owned we got by portal talent." very suspect.
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Re: Correct, making this comment by the OP...
Sep 21, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Eh....I think the OP's point was that we got owned by a transfer. Not sure why an ambiguous name for the practice like the "portal" would matter. That's semantics. It was transfers then and it's transfers now. The only difference is that transferring has been made much easier and more often through rule changes and a database called the "portal".
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Re: Dabo...you need to get with the portal chortle!!
Sep 21, 2022, 5:24 PM
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Double edged sword. Dabo did offer two players from the portal but, they went elsewhere. I honestly feel that Dabo will quit coaching before he changes his philosophy.
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Re: Dabo...you need to get with the portal chortle!!
Sep 21, 2022, 5:25 PM
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I cant think of a situation where we missed an opportunity to improve. We went after the center from UVA that went to ND. If he has a need and a jewel is out there he'll use the portal. I think the good ones already know where they're going when they enter. The WR that went to USC from Pitt would have been a good get.
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