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I thought the same thing watching the NLCS
Nov 9, 2021, 8:55 AM
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when they were in LA the stadium was packed and no one had on masks. Found it strange seeing as how CA has some of the most strict mandates, etc.
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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Just gonna sit here and nurse this "super cold"
Nov 9, 2021, 9:20 AM
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I swear this is not a normal cold, even though 2 negative covid tests say it is. I can't taste or smell crap.
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What type of tests did you take?***
Nov 9, 2021, 9:23 AM
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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Rapid. Literally every symptom but a "noticeable" fever.
Nov 9, 2021, 9:32 AM
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Oldest son got it first this time. He had a negative PCR test.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Dang. Yeah. That has all the hallmarks of COVID, but even
Nov 9, 2021, 9:37 AM
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with Rapid tests two negatives is pretty definitive.
Good luck.
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Oculus Spirit [97716]
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Meh, this is my second round of it.
Nov 9, 2021, 9:33 AM
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Had a cough for a month the first time September-October. Know two people who had this and also had covid and they both say this cold is worse, fwiw.
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I agree. COVID for me was a bad 2-3 days
Nov 9, 2021, 9:34 AM
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that last cold drug on and on and on
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COVID for me was a week of bad
Nov 9, 2021, 12:53 PM
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Cold symptoms then a week or do of weakness. No real cough. Smell is slowly comimg back.
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I don't think a lot of people ever want it to end
Nov 9, 2021, 10:08 AM
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This is the most excitement they've ever had in their lives, just going to the grocery store feels so dangerous! Getting to be all self righteous over masks and stuff is just icing on the cake.
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I admit that I don't understand the logic of most anti-vaxxers
Nov 9, 2021, 10:15 AM
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but there is a lot of hypocrisy with the mandates. People can lose their jobs and careers over refusing to get it, but we gladly take in the hordes at the border... they don't have to provide proof of vaccination or a negative test. It really makes no sense, to be honest...
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I'm hoping a patriot in IT (who is a VP) is deciding that
Nov 9, 2021, 10:20 AM
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there is no way they are getting the vaccine, and will get canned, so I can just slide into their recently opened gig.
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Re: I admit that I don't understand the logic of most anti-vaxxers
Nov 9, 2021, 10:25 AM
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Q. Why do immigrants and adjustment of status applicants have to show proof they have received certain vaccinations?
A. In 1996, Congress provided in legislation that every immigrant entering the United States, or every individual seeking adjustment of status to that of a legal permanent resident, show proof that he or she was vaccinated against vaccine-preventable diseases. The text for this requirement is in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), section 212(a)(1)(A)(ii).
https://www.uscis.gov/tools/designated-civil-surgeons/vaccination-requirements Vaccination Requirements These Questions and Answers provide basic information about the general vaccination requirements for immigrants (including individuals seeking adjustment of status), and specifically about the asse
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Re: I admit that I don't understand the logic of most anti-vaxxers
Nov 9, 2021, 10:28 AM
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But that's the opposite of what the internet says.***
Nov 9, 2021, 10:45 AM
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If you guys believe they're verifying the vaccination status
Nov 9, 2021, 10:47 AM
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of all of the illegal immigrants that cross the border, I've got some gulf coast front property here in Greenville to sell you.
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Great response. I'm sold on it.***
Nov 9, 2021, 10:59 AM
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Read my post like it's an NPR host talking to you
Nov 9, 2021, 11:05 AM
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That should do the trick.
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Heisman Winner [105551]
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Which one? I like Guy Raz but I feel you may be more Terry
Nov 9, 2021, 11:13 AM
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Gross.
Steve Inskeep on Morning Edition might be the one spreading all the false information about the world today, though.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I'm not sure, I can't take more than 5 minutes of it
Nov 9, 2021, 11:20 AM
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I just know many will believe almost anything if it's told to them in a hushed voice with an air of smugness.
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I like that her tids are fat.***
Nov 9, 2021, 1:54 PM
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I don't believe that.
Nov 9, 2021, 11:00 AM
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I also don't believe there's some filthy horde of diseased migrants pouring across the border like zombies in World War Z. Insofar as there's a problem with unvaxxed migrants illegally crossing the border, the solution's no different now than it was a year ago.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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There are some reports out there saying as many as 40k
Nov 9, 2021, 11:03 AM
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covid positive illegal immigrants have been sprinkled throughout the country.
https://news.yahoo.com/dhs-dropped-40-000-covid-190800213.html
I'm sure the Biden admin wouldn't lie to us though and everything is on the up and up. That said, the real problem is the fact that we have a huge illegal immigration problem going on while we're simultaneously forcing private businesses to mandate vaccines for American citizens, isn't it?
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So the FORMER acting Commissioner of Customs and
Nov 9, 2021, 11:12 AM
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Border Protection, at a briefing sponsored by The Heritage Foundation.
See if you can spot how many things are wrong, just in the first 6 sentences of that article. I capitalized one of them for you.
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Is there any evidence whatsoever?
Nov 9, 2021, 11:18 AM
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Or are we just trusting the word of the former acting Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection who was in office for all of two months in 2019?
“We know that everybody being released, they’re not being tested. We know that,” he said at the briefing sponsored by the Heritage Foundation.
How do we know that? Where is the evidence? And wait a second - how were they both COVID-positive but also they're not being tested? Schrodinger's COVID.
This is why conservative media is garbage. "Crackpot makes absurd, baseless claim" is the entire story. And someone might be like, "Are you calling Yahoo News conservative?" but then you look closer and realize this was actually posted in the Washington Examiner.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I posted some more links above if you don't like that one
Nov 9, 2021, 11:25 AM
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I think logically it's safe to say they test when they see someone having symptoms. Given that there's tens of millions of illegal immigrants in the country, probably also safe to say many of those that were covid positive are now frolicking freely across the country. This is while we're forcing private businesses to fire people for not getting vaccinated(not people on govt benefits tho!). It's almost as if one is given preferential treatment for not being a contributing citizen to this country.
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I would believe there are 100 migrants allowed in who
Nov 9, 2021, 11:48 AM
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may or may not have COVID. That's a little different than 40,000 definitely COVID+ migrants dumped into our cities. The article I posted mentioned there were exceptions to the rule of expelling migrants illegally crossing the border, so it stands to reason some make it through. It's such a small number that the hypocrisy argument doesn't hold up ("They let in HORDES of sick ILLEGALS but we have to wear MASKS!!").
As for vaccine mandates for people on Welfare, I don't have a problem with that and I wonder if there's a legal way to enforce it. I think with private companies they're able to enforce it through OSHA, which wouldn't apply to people on Welfare. Just like we can require vaccines for legal immigrants, but not for migrants detained by ICE. Amazingly, not everything is a nefarious conspiracy.
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I'm not sure they can enforce it through OSHA
Nov 9, 2021, 12:01 PM
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As of now it's been put on hold, even though the Biden admin is telling private businesses to enforce it anyway. Still crickets from the anti-fascist crowd lol.
We have been letting in illegal immigrants by the millions for years, the very fact that they'll let any in while trying to mandate American citizens to vaccinate is ridiculous.
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It's not disinformation.
Nov 9, 2021, 11:37 AM
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For people we let in, which is to say legal immigrants, there is a vaccine requirement.
As for why the federal government has the authority to require the vaccine for people who immigrate legally but not for migrants who are detained by ICE, I would defer to a Lounge legal expert. But I would say if they're being detained, then they will almost certainly be expelled back to their own country, which makes their vaccination status irrelevant.
Some people like to play the whole "filthy, disease-carrying immigrants" card to whip up nativist insecurities. Don't fall for it. As Lakebum said, Covid certainly adds a "fun new twist" to immigration debates.
Vaccine and mask mandates are inconsistent and that can be annoying I guess. It's certainly annoying when politicians think they're exempt from their own rules. Of all the things to be upset about in the world, though, that seems like a pretty low priority.
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I understand, and I've never thought everybody trying to
Nov 9, 2021, 2:21 PM
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enter the USA illegally was "filthy & disease carrying". But common sense tells me that nobody in this group of folks has a valid, up-to-date vaxx card. I mean, they have nothing. A family of four has been living off a couple Twix bars and drinking water we wouldn't give our dogs. If the federal guvmint can't force them to get vaxxed, but a pregnant nurse can get fired because she has some concerns about it... does that seem right to you? I don't know, man. Maybe I'm all wet here.
edit: I guess I'm just starting to question some things. I posted several weeks ago that vaxx mandates are nothing new: Kids have always had to have em to attend school, and they've been mandatory in the military forever. Suck it up and get the jab. So I'm not anti-vaxx. Nor am I a Trumper or Qanon or whatever. I've ridiculed those people, what few times I even post on the subject. I typically avoid the P&R Forum. All I'm saying is, people who might have legitimate concerns... maybe they shouldn't lose their careers over it. Especially if it's not going to be by-god enforced everywhere.
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Interesting thing they're doing in Singapore
Nov 9, 2021, 10:40 AM
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There is no vaccine "mandate" in Singapore. BUT, if you refuse to get one, you're stuck with the hospital bill. On your own there. Guess this is why we will never have single-payer in the US.
HOWEVER, I find it a total double standard to deny someone employment in their job (a TAXABLE income) if they refuse a vaccine, even if they're not a federal employee. Military? Sure. Federal workers, sure. But ANY company with over 100 employees? You're losing a taxpayer there. Total garbage. And yet if you're on medicaid/care and don't get the vaccine, Uncle Sam gladly pays for your healthcare and hospitalization. But you will never see Biden denying payment for covid medical care to the poor who don't have jobs anyway. But will for those who do?
Nope. Total cluster #### IMO with the mandates. We'd be better served denying medicaid/care/VA payments. They have a financial leg to stand on there at least.
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That's private insurance. Good.
Nov 9, 2021, 10:58 AM
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Technically you should always be expected to meet your deductible and pay your share. But for those unemployed, bringing in no taxes to Uncle Sam, you won't find Biden making THEM pay, or denying THEM anything. Just makes no sense, the whole thing. All the more reason to leverage the non-taxpayers into compliance over the taxpayers.
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I'm in agreement with this. If you get COVID
Nov 9, 2021, 11:50 AM
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and you have not had the shot then
1. Hospitals should put you and the bottom of the priority list
2. Health insurance shouldn't pay a dime.
3. If you die, life insurance shouldn't have to pay a dime on you.
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PERFECT ! Let's give insurance companies ANOTHER loop
Nov 9, 2021, 2:21 PM
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hole to not to pay on a policy they have been collecting premiums on for the last umpteen years.
People that have been vaxed are still dying.
NOTE: This is NOT a vax / anti-vax post - this is an ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES and the people who work for them should have a darker, hotter place in hades than any other group of people. (except for kid pervs & people who believe in mustard-based BBQ sauce) . . . . (and tarholes)
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Yes, and if you are overweight,
Nov 9, 2021, 7:09 PM
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They dont lay for your diabetes treatment.
And if you dont get 8 hours of sleep and make sure you maintain a certain stress level, then they dont pay for your heart attack or heart disease.
And if you cut yourself because you got complacent with using a saw, then too bad.
Or if you break your ankle playing on a trampoline, then that is your fault so it shoildnt pay for that either.
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