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Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 11:38 AM
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Kids decide whether to chase money or education
NFL needs to set up a farm system for the kids that want the $$$
College football talent may be diminished but its purity will be salvaged.
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The NFL Has A Farm System
Dec 17, 2021, 12:11 PM
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It's known as college football.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Purity?
Dec 17, 2021, 12:37 PM
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When was the last time cfb was "pure"?
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Well…we at least could pretend like it.
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Dec 17, 2021, 12:39 PM
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And now that’s gone.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 12:44 PM
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Kinda, but I see another solution.
The NCAA is powerless about limiting the students off-field items, but the NCAA is never really about the "students" save for the labor. It is really after the schools.
I expect that the NCAA will eventually put a "salary cap" into effect for the schools. They can't say what a student can earn, but they can say what a school can "field". I think that is the eventual loophole since the NIL stops them limiting the student.
So, the students can chase whatever money they want but the school can only field up to X amound. Just like scholarships. That is my best guess.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 12:47 PM
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That is still illegal though. If a player gets a NIL deal but the team is at its limit and denying the player their NIL deal is against all state NIL laws the way they are written. No team, conference, anyone can deny a player their money.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 12:58 PM
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Not really. A school can't deny them from their money or the agreement but there is no limit to my knowledge that a school has to field a player to play. So in theory, a "player" would just sit or not suit up. Again, it is regulating the team, not the player.
I think THAT is going to be the key. Thus they might say that a school can not field a team making more than (say 85 million) in deals on the roster.
Now, I am going to assume some of the deals for the kids will require a appearance clause so a kid can't just sign then sit. But again these agreements do not involve the school directly. Thus the NCAA focuses on the schools.
I agree, it is an odd take and I am sure there is more wrangling. However, it is the NCAA - everyone has to be "equal" just that some are more equal than others.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:27 PM
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I think the way you are describing it is a disgusting way to run a team and would rather have the crap we have now.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 12:50 PM
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Your "salary cap" solution is interesting and one I'd bet a lot of people hadn't considered. I think it begs the question, do players have to report their NIL deals to their schools? A student can't hid an NIL arrangement (that would cancel the whole reason for the deal) but I'm not sure of a requirement to disclose the financial details.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:13 PM
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My guess that a disclosure agreement might exist to a point (depending on how shady the deal might be). I am SURE as heck that Virginia Tech would outright flip-out if some of their players sign a NRA/Walther/Glock deal as I am SURE some idiot would try that. No bad press right? That being said, to really know what is happening with these deal, you have to follow the money. Heck, even channeling the money through various, unwholesome channels needs to know the funds.
That being said, it might have to do with disclosing of tax information. For example the IRS can release information to state agencies and potentially 3rd parties. I don't know about tax laws enough to get into that weeds, but because the NCAA is an opt-in, they could make that type of reporting required by the school and then as a part of the scholarship. It is permissible for an employer to ask for a tax return for an applicant (some states doe prohibit it). Don't know if the NCAA/Schools can twist this, I assume they would based on the consistency of the NCAA since now athletes are quasi employees. The whole FAFSA/FERPA scholarship thing might be an interesting layer and I just don't know the law well enough here.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:14 PM
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I was thinking about a salary cap myself. The NFL has a salary cap and it's crazy to think in terms that college sports are basically operating as a free agent market without a salary cap at the moment.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a good way to implement what you're saying. The schools are technically not the ones paying the players. Maybe you could monitor boosters and people attached to certain schools and try to limit that, but what about national deals like the one DJ had with Dr. Pepper? What if Clemson was near the cap limit and the Dr. Pepper deal for DJ would put Clemson over the limit? Is DJ expected to turn the deal down or ask Dr. Pepper to pay him less? I just wouldn't see that as being legal to implement.
I think the only hope is to have rules against boosters and fans who aren't considered to be boosters from paying players. I'm not sure if there's a realistic way to even monitor that or if those rules would be considered legal or not. I would hope at the very least there would be rules put into place to stop these offers from going out before a player signs and rules that would prevent offers for players to leave a current school to go somewhere else. You'd think those sort of rules would be legal, but I'm not sure. I know professional sports leagues have rules in place for tampering, but I can imagine it's a lot harder to monitor all these college players and the amount of people in their ears.
I could be wrong, but to me any offers going out to players in high school should break some sort of rule, especially ones that depend on a recruit signing with a certain school. It's one thing for a company to sponsor a player because he's a national star and the company feels the player will add value to their product by advertising with him. It's another thing to offer some random kid a bunch of money to come to your school because some recruiting services rated them as a great player.
The deals we've heard about such as the Texas deal to pay OL players $50,000 per year(I think that was the number I saw) should especially be breaking some rule. You're not paying those players based on their own image at that point, you're offering to pay unknown players money simply by playing for a particular team.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:25 PM
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I think it comes back to the NCAA and the schools. The NCAA won't touch the kids, they will go after the school
Lets just say a school decides that they are going to field 100 Million dollar kids. NCAA has a cap on 85 million.
NCAA strikes the school as illegible. That is the key. The school can field and play anyone they want but it will not be an NCAA result. If a school keeps at it, the NCAA yanks scholarships, etc. Basically doing what it has always done.
Thus you could have say, Texas with pros everywhere and major contract but no playoff, etc. Technically a 0-12 NCAA record even though with 50-0 results.
And the NCAA will push back because it is an opt in system. NAIA might allow unlimited but who will want them?
At the end of the day, there will be about 20-30 "haves" and about 100-110+ have nots. The Have-nots will enforce their will at the end of the day.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:30 PM
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I'm not sure if anything like you're saying would actually happen, but it's at least an idea to be thrown into the mix. I hope at some point we'll see coaches and college presidents from all around the country get together and discuss possible solutions. I think it would even be a good idea to get several players involved as part of the discussion. I do think the players will be needed to be part of any acceptable solution at this point.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 2:18 PM
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Yeah, I not sure either. The other elephant in the room question becomes if the schools decide to make the athletes true employees with anti-moonlighting causes. The the salary cap becomes easier. That would then change things as well. Again more questions.
My other favorite idea is that the 3rd party funds go into a pot that is then paid upon graduation to all athletes regardless of sport or value. Graduation is require for payout and it works like a tip-share. Thus women bench walk-on in field hockey at Charleston Southern get the same payout of TL.
And to the coot lurking poasting. Yeah the have-nots matter. South Carolina is worth more to the SEC. They are paid cannon fodder for other teams. You need to have have-not for the haves to have. Keeping them pumped up with *hope* make them valuable. When they think they can no-longer achieve they take their ball elsewhere see 1970. A super conference with all teams expecting to win it all would fail. Eventually those programs with unrealistic expectations shuffle off (see Texas). No way you could get the blood bloods to accept fewer winning seasons etc. You need South Carolina propping up other schools win column.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:33 PM
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The have nots mean nothing anymore. The sport is about ratings and star players and big names. NIL pretty much secures the richest most well known teams stay great. They probably did this on purpose to keep smaller less known schools off tv in the biggest games. Alabama, Texas and the like will always be a ratings boon with a huge traveling fan base. NCAA will do nothing.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 12:45 PM
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Kids decide whether to chase money or education.
Doesn't it all lead to money? I dont blame the kids at all and its embarrassing the people that do. Hell they are getting opportunities to play football and by the time they are done make much more than the average college graduate anyway. Blame the boosters for throwing money around like pennies.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:09 PM
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Absolutely! I agree 100%!***
Dec 17, 2021, 2:09 PM
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:11 PM
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Why should the NFL set up a farm system when the NCAA will do it at no cost to the NFL? Farm,s systems do not make money for MLB.
The only way the NFL would ever set up a farm system would be if the NCAA quit being one for them.
Don't blame the NFL. It's good business. Blame the NCAA.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:45 PM
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^^^ this ^^^
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 1:58 PM
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I agree 100%. The NFL began using colleges years ago. The colleges booking lots of $ by admitting kids that could not qualify to get in colleges nor do the work when they got there. Go back to true student athletes and the rest go semi professional sponsored by NFL
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I am thinking there is probably no solution other than
Dec 17, 2021, 2:08 PM
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acknowledging that college football isn't an amateur sport for all intents and purposes. I don't see it going back. I'd love for Clemson to be part of a collection of schools that "reset" the whole thing...all amateurs...no scholarships, no NIL...but of course that's a complete pipe dream. I read some people here on Tnet breathlessly clamoring for a charity foundation to funnel money to players. That's of no interest to me. I think the most you can do now, if you don't like the direction it's going, is look around at what other sports/activities might be of interest. Maybe find a D2 team to follow. Maybe that's not effected by this? I really don't know.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 10:04 PM
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Another option is having different divisions in college football
Allow the teams with unlimited resources to compete with one another and teams that would prefer more amateurism to compete in another division.
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Re: Football needs to go the Baseball route
Dec 17, 2021, 10:14 PM
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The NFL should be paying a few BILLION $ a year for their FREE FARM CLUB... Talk about a Plantation...
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