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TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: “We have no business being 4-4”
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What does he think they should be? They watch
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Oct 29, 2023, 7:25 AM
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game film every week. Watching this offense, they're lucky they've had a couple of sisters of the mercy schools on the schedule or they'd have a worse record.
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Re: What does he think they should be? They watch
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Oct 29, 2023, 9:28 AM
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Play Calling? Not Ready 4 Primetime QB?
Missed Tackles? Busted Coverages?
Unforgivable Turnovers? In my 14 years of football, turn the ball over...Ride the Pine!
Busted Assignment...Run the Cross Country course? When you get Manhandled...You Hit Everyday next Week?
Just the Difference between Winning AND Losing!
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Re: What does he think they should be? They watch
Oct 29, 2023, 1:44 PM
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NCAA won't let you practice like that anymore.
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Re: What does he think they should be? They watch
Oct 29, 2023, 3:09 PM
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I understand 😎 My Coaches would be in Prison
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Take the names off the jerseys and they do
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Oct 29, 2023, 7:30 AM
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Entitlement is the only reason to feel differently.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 7:37 AM
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"We're a 4-4 football team, but we all know we're not that..." This sounds typical of the denial of reality in people in this age range these days. i.e. "I know I have dude parts, but we all know I'm not that..." or "I know I am a human, be we all know that I am a furry", "I know that I am not in school or unemployed but I am really just taking a gap year". What a bunch of lunatics.
Hey Stellato, you are a 4-4 team because you ARE a 4-4 team. Wake the hell up!"
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A couple plays away huh?were sticking with that?? LOL
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Oct 29, 2023, 7:40 AM
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It’s laughable the amount of BS that Dabo shovels and our players eat.
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He's got two nattys. Sure there are problems to fix.
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Oct 29, 2023, 10:31 AM
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I think he's entitled to the benefit of the doubt. Things have dropped off on offense since Tony left (or Jeff Scott for that matter). I'm not impressed by Riley's playcalling, but it starts up front. The o-line has been awful. I'd get rid of Austin find an experienced line coach.
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Re: He's got two nattys. Sure there are problems to fix.
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So let’s fix one thing - again - see if it works and go through another 6-6 year in 2024?
It’s not one thing.
That’s what you pumpers don’t get. It’s multiple
Things that have to all be fixed to right the ship. Including:
* Inexperienced coaches all over the place
* Little to No player development
* Recruiting misses all over the place
* Horrible in game coaching decisions
And there’s even more.
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The fallacy is that were only 3 or 4 plays away
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Oct 29, 2023, 10:36 AM
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The 3 or 4 plays mentioned are actually mega-mistakes by our offense that spot the other team points and make it harder to overcome.
However, we’re really about 30 plays away from playing to what I think the Clemson standard should be.
The players shouldn’t set their sights on “correcting” 3 or 4 plays … they should set their sights on winning THE NEXT PLAY each and every time… and THE NEXT GAME … and then let’s see where we are.
Unfortunately, most of those “mega-mistakes” are on the offensive side of the ball where we don’t have the position coaching experience to correct the mistakes.
It’s Groundhog Day every Saturday because we keep doing the same thing over and over with apparently NO CORRECTIONS during the week to prevent them from happening again.
So as long as we keep blaming “dumb luck” for our predicament instead of taking accountability and correcting OUR PLAY … we’ll end up with the same results week after week.
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Re: The fallacy is that were only 3 or 4 plays away
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Oct 29, 2023, 12:52 PM
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The “freak plays” trope is simply not believable anymore.
Its habitual now
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 7:42 AM
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His false start on a quick pass to Collins on the other side of the field late in the game I thought was a crucial mistake...Collins appeared to have lots of open space available.
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Glad he is upset, but this is more denial of the root causes
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Oct 29, 2023, 7:58 AM
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that apparently has permeated the program. “Only a few plays away” , “freak plays”, etc. This team is entitled and living off the past of those who did take the program to the highest levels. Time to realize who you are and get to work making your own legacy. Talking to the coaches more than the players here!!
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Re: Glad he is upset, but this is more denial of the root causes
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Sorry Troy, if our coaches were brutally honest, we're a 4-4 team because we have a defense littered with future NFL talent that has kept us from being a 2-6 team with 0-fer conference or p5 wins.
We're a 1-7 team, and possibly 0-8 team had we played our pathetic rival's schedule down the road. That's right, we probably squeeze out the W against Furman. That's the brutal truth Troy and I hope our coaches understand that.
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Our coaches?.understand??..LOL***
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Ask Bill Parcells what you are.***
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this doesnt sound like heated
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Oct 29, 2023, 8:07 AM
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This sounds like the Tommy Bowden era trickling into our current players. Until this team realizes that they aren’t good, and feed on these ######## lines of “a few plays away,” they will continue to be a sub-par team. They actually don’t think they’re doing anything wrong!! SMDH. I guess it is the good Lord that is making us fumble the ball in every critical situation.
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I saw last night that the Good Lord carried Miami to victory
Oct 29, 2023, 9:47 AM
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Their players just have to hold the ball. The Lord will do the rest.
(re: overtime victory interview)
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 8:10 AM
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Must be some pretty good kool-aid.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 8:41 AM
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I’m heated y’all keep messing up our Saturdays…. I mean catching Redfish or traveling to see these masterpieces at work?? Your making my choice decision for me
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 8:41 AM
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But but but "family"
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 8:42 AM
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PORTAL TIME ….and who could blame him?
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WRs got no business making false starts
Oct 29, 2023, 8:57 AM
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So tired of this narrative that this offense is only a few plays away
The absolutely stink on ice out there
They aren’t 4 plays away they are 4 players away
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 8:58 AM
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"...We’re just literally a couple of plays away every single game..."
Sounds likes Dabo's messaging is getting thru... these athletes on campuses are in their own liddle bubble...
They are poorly coached... when you have great athletes without good coaching, all you have are great athletes... not a great team
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Pathetic
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Oct 29, 2023, 9:16 AM
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A player showing emotion that they know they should be better than what the record reflects and folks are just acting like the dude is delusional.
Folks, he's saying what everyone has been saying -- we're a better team than our record reflects and haven't played up to our standards...what do you want him to say?
- Sorry, Clemson nation....we are awful and y'all are right.
- You're absolutely right -- we should fire most of our coaches and not renew the scholarships of 90% of the team.
- The election was rigged and we're point shaving every game since the NIL doesn't pay us enough.
Give it a break. A few things can definitely be true about this year:
1. We're not happy with the results. Change is coming this off-season.
2. We are our record -- that's a team effort.
3. We can absolutely be better than our record indicates.
At the least, the players deserve our support instead of the mockery going on here from some of y'all.
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Hes implying they are doing everything right to prepare and the only reason
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Oct 29, 2023, 9:31 AM
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why we are 4-4 is “freak plays happen.”
It’s a terrible, delusional mindset. “We are not focused enough.” We are not doing enough to stop the mistakes. We need to step up more as leaders. It’s our responsibility to stop making such awful mistakes.”
It’s deflecting responsibility. It’s claiming there is a luck fairy. That turnovers are acts of god or something.
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Re: Pathetic
Oct 29, 2023, 11:26 AM
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You’re right. It’s the fans fault that we suck so much.
And what makes you think changes are going to be made? Dabo’s too proud and can’t admit he screwed up.
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Unfortunately this sounds like brainwashing. Its not luck. They are not victims
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Oct 29, 2023, 9:25 AM
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We are a bad football team. And it’s not going to get better praying for better luck.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 9:29 AM
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At this point you are what you are. My opinion is we are a team that make critical mistakes at the worst times and are not very good in clutch situations.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 9:32 AM
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You are what your record says you are. The only question is where do you go from here?
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 9:38 AM
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Almost seems as if Cade is still playing like a freshman QB...OL looks good at times awful others...Cade can't throw balls that don't get batted! At least 14 pts off turnovers directly...there is your game again...we just don't look like the real Clemson football team...maybe Dabo has just lost his drive or trying to make Cal & Stanford feel welcome...SMU is playing good football!
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 10:20 AM
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He still looks like a high school football player to me. He seems to think he can out-athlete opposing players. He prob will be good as a senior, but we're going to have to continue enduring this season, and then next season, before we have the payout.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Almost seems as if Cade is still playing like a freshman QB...OL looks good at times awful others...Cade can't throw balls that don't get batted! At least 14 pts off turnovers directly...there is your game again...we just don't look like the real Clemson football team...maybe Dabo has just lost his drive or trying to make Cal & Stanford feel welcome...SMU is playing good football!
Fair assessment. And without any significant p.t. last year, CK2 is essentially a freshman in terms of experience on the playing field. He will blossom somewhere. It may not be Clemson.
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Hes not blaming the coaches
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Oct 29, 2023, 9:46 AM
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Maybe he should read Tigernet to learn football?
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Only freakishly bad teams blame
Oct 29, 2023, 9:49 AM
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freakishly bad seasons on freakish plays.
The guys on College Football Final called Clemson's collapse "amazing."
That's the better word.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 10:19 AM
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Stellatto is mental. Tigers have earned that 4 - 4 record. That IS who you are.
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Re: TNET: I'm thinking this team
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has every reason to be 4-4 and really worse. The Offense continues to beat our own desense. By the middle of the 3rd qtr they are gassed. The "ladies on the offensive line coulnd't run block or pass block a team of grandchildren. With the offensive line being inept to wide receivers that can't get open to the coaching postition staff this is the epic fail of a team going down in flames quickly. is no fight in this offense or the staff. This cluster will get worse and there are many reasons that will come out.
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Re: TNET: I'm thinking this team
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I don’t get the few plays away?? Our goal is not to just beat average teams! Our goal is not to be searching the playbook for every 3rd down or red zone play. Our goal is to never have a go to play. Can’t even talk about QB, Kicking, etc. What happen to 100 plays a game? We are really broken Sorry — Never mind. How long did it take Fla St to get out of this? What did they do? Looks like many years of this ahead.
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Dabo, his groomed them into regurgitating his stuff
Oct 29, 2023, 10:51 AM
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Re: Dabo, his groomed them into regurgitating his stuff
Oct 29, 2023, 11:04 AM
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Did you ever consider that they might actually mean what they're saying??
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The entitlement of this team is just sickening***
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Re: The entitlement of this team is just sickening***
Oct 29, 2023, 11:16 AM
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We were 8-0 one year ago with DJ. Ridiculous.
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That comment is the sentiment of the head coach
Oct 29, 2023, 11:03 AM
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We should not be 4-4 because we are Clemson. What we have done here in the past has worked before. We do not need to change.
IGNORANCE AND HUBRIS!
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 11:17 AM
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then quit giving the other team the ball
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 11:27 AM
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I love the talk about a single play here and a single play there. So somebody please tell me which one play per game made the difference between 4--5 and 9-0.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 12:01 PM
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In their public comments, Troy Stellato and Cade Klubnik come across as fine young men, as do their teammates. I predict that after college, they will become high-achieving, law-abiding citizens. And probably good husbands and fathers. Those are more important in the long run than holding up national championship trophies.
But ask yourself, would any player on our offense be a starter at the Top 4 ranked teams right now? They would not. Not before the season started and not now. These are not elite-talent players. Also, ask yourself which coach at Clemson would be poached by any of the Top 4 teams after this season. Maybe Garrett Riley, although the jury is still out on him after our abysmal offensive performance this season. But not one of our other coaches would be hired by the Top 4 teams.
And highly compensated Dabo Swinney? He is an extraordinary person, a credit to our school as a human being. As a football coach, he had a vision for “little ole Clemson” and he achieved it brilliantly—in large part because Dabo is one of college football’s most dynamic, savvy recruiters. But while recruiting will continue to be extremely important, the question now is, Can Dabo adjust to the “new reality” in elite college football, i.e., skillfully taking advantage of NIL and using the Portal?
I don’t know the answer to that question, but I would not undererstimate Dabo. Hope I’m right.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
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Oct 29, 2023, 12:03 PM
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I think its coaching. I really do. I am not sure where the blame belongs on the staff, but it's coaching.
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 12:45 PM
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Heated would be holding your helmet by the face mask and slamming it into a hundred pieces while screaming C’MON!! No player or coach seems angry or passionate about this collapse.
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We need our fire, tenacity, quality back WWVD
Oct 29, 2023, 1:42 PM
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I’m chuckling while writing this, but “What Would Venables Do?” The fire and standard that he held his defense to permeated through the whole team.
I see no one getting angry about what is going on in the team. Do any of the current coaches hold the players accountable, or are they just spouting “3 or 4 plays away?!”
The upcoming Notre Dame game will show where the team is on the BYOG scale compared to the last Notre Dame game in Death Valley.
Players and Coaches … I CHALLENGE YOU to show the best version of yourselves and your play on Saturday. And the effort to deliver that challenge begins TODAY!!
I EXPECT to see a resounding CHALLENGE ACCEPTED from noon until the end of the game on Saturday!!
GO TIGERS!!
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Re: TNET: Tiger starter heated after Saturday's loss: We have no business being 4-4
Oct 29, 2023, 1:26 PM
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I love the attitude but sadly you are what your record says so the only way to change that is to change the record.
Let's pull off the big upset this week!
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Stellato
Oct 29, 2023, 10:30 PM
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Stop catching 2 yard passes short of the first down in what we call a 2 min offense. Hope you and Cade played some Madden today to at least understand what you cannot do in a 2 min drill. Stupid coaching and Stupid players!!!
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