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Oculus Spirit [43652]
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The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Because Brad has been mostly meh, no one expects anymore so he can just sit there and be vanilla in peace. Dabo has been as successful as any coach in the modern era of football and people want to fire him as soon as there is a negative trend. Don’t get me wrong, Dabo needs to get his #### together. But Brad enjoy that you’ve sucked the excitement out of our program and coach in peace.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:18 PM
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Brad is likely to make 3 NCAA tournament appearances in a row. Not sure how many Clemson basketball coaches have achieved that. Dabo has been great! No Clemson football coaches have won 2 National Titles. Dabo is currently terrible at the moment.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:42 PM
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Brad has been here for close to 2 decades and made over 30 million, Dabo is head and shoulders above him.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:50 PM
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With the two NCs and all the ACC championships to 0. I agree
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Nov 6, 2025, 12:33 AM
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how many teams get into that tournament? like 60+? I mean why even play the season... that has to be half the D1 teams! If you don't get in, I think would be a problem.
i hate college basketball sooooo much
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
Nov 6, 2025, 1:38 PM
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There are like 350 D1 teams. 68 get in.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
Nov 6, 2025, 4:30 PM
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Here we go again. The bar is so low at Clemson that all we do is compare to past coaches. The NCAA tournament has 64 teams. Yeah I’d say making that tournament consistently should almost be a minimum requirement to keep your Job. But here it’s like he’s winning championships.
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God Almighty
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:46 PM
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What a ######### take. Take your BDS and go somewhere else. One of the best coaches in the country. Win or lose, his teams play hard and never quit. Can’t say the same thing about football.
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Uhhh yeah
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:49 PM
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Oculus Spirit [43652]
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Re: God Almighty
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:50 PM
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But mostly lose. They quit against McNeese state et al.
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Best coaches in the county? BrownL? AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH***
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Re: Best coaches in the county? BrownL? AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH***
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Nov 6, 2025, 9:40 AM
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That Cobblockhead is a bit much isn’t he
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I can think of maybe 63 better coaches than CBB at the moment.
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Nov 6, 2025, 11:42 AM
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Starting with Will Wade.
Whereas I can only think of maybe five who are better coaches than CDS. At the moment.
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Youre right, the difference is stark.
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:52 PM
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One does more with less, and has leveraged NIL and the portal to make us better and achieve new heights.
The other does less with more, refuses to adapt, and has overseen one of the most monumental declines in the last several decades in his sport.
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Re: Youre right, the difference is stark.
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Nov 5, 2025, 9:56 PM
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So glad you joined the conversation. Brad on.
Define more, what has he won? Are there any banners? Any Championships besides the World. No my friend if Brad is doing with less then he is doing less with less. He is the mehest, most vanilla, spud of a coach. I fall asleep watching him. He is boring. He has the passion of a grapefruit.
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Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Brad.
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You should chat with him sometime. He’s a great guy who loves Clemson and is determined to continue to improve our program.
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Re: Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Brad.
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Nov 6, 2025, 12:07 AM
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That statement isn’t any more personal than taking shots at Sabo for saying he’s never failed at anything, then when he says he’s failed taking more shots.
Yes, the words attributed are true, but you’re clearly taking them out of context to attempt to prove a point.
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So let me get this straight.
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Nov 6, 2025, 12:11 AM
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Dabo makes an outlandish statement in his childish rant two years ago about never failing at anything in life, and you are accusing me of “taking shots” at him for pointing it out?
Then, when he makes a completely contradictory statement, you’re accusing me of taking his comments out of context?
You are pretty deep into the cult, dude.
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Re: So let me get this straight.
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Nov 6, 2025, 7:48 AM
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Your lack of insight is inciteful.
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Re: So let me get this straight.
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Nov 6, 2025, 7:51 AM
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A: The statement wasn’t outlandish, you’re choosing to make it such. Again, before that statement, after that statement, even 3 seconds after had anyone said “have you ever failed at getting a team prepared for a game” he’d have said “yes”. You can change the question to a million things and he’d say yes. He’s said a thousand times he’s not perfect.
Taking things to their nth degree (like you’re choosing to do here) would involve any wrong he’s ever done. Lie? That means he failed to tell the truth.
Failing is a one time event. Failure is the end result of failing and giving up.
If you really want to go deep with semantics:
Failing is an act. Not completing or achieving a goal in a particular instance.
Failure is a final statement or state on a complete lack of success.
B: I’m plenty critical of Dabo. I’m just not bent on destroying him for one word that I don’t know the meaning of. You should try it
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Re: So let me get this straight.
Nov 6, 2025, 8:08 AM
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I guess before the semantics start back up with you I’ll add: he said he’d “never failed at anything”
Failure vs failed vs failing vs failed. Yes, y typed that correctly
Failure vs failed: both are final outcomes.
Vs failing: indicates a current position, not a final outcome.
Vs failed (again) “I failed to prepare the team”, etc. a specific event in this context, within an event. Context means everything. He was clearly referring to coaching when he said he’d never failed at anything. Not that he’d never lost a game. (Again, nth degree: losing a game is failing to win)
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Re: There is no bigger personal vendetta on TNet
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Nov 6, 2025, 6:11 AM
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All because she’s butt hurt that basketball plays second fiddle to football.
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Football should be first fiddle.
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Nov 6, 2025, 2:11 PM
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It is by far our most popular sport and our most profitable sport.
However, I do wish basketball would be more important than it is. It's hypocritical for our administration to say that basketball is really important, but proceed to give it a paltry portion of the revenue share.
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Re: Football should be first fiddle.
Nov 6, 2025, 6:22 PM
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Continually taking cheap shots at Dabo and the football program isn’t going to make basketball any more important. The revenue share it gets is very fair in proportion to the revenue it generates. But that doesn’t fit your narrative.
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Re: I don't have a personal vendetta against Dabo.
Nov 6, 2025, 6:17 PM
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You called the man a hypocrite, stubborn, arrogant, and I’m sure many other things that I don’t remember off the top of my head. Then you say you like him, but….. sounds pretty personal to me.
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I'm curious, what are these new heights about which you speak?
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Nov 6, 2025, 7:12 AM
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By my count, Brad hasn't won ANYTHING of note in his entire 15+ year tenure at Clemson. No regular season championships, no conference championship appearances, no conference championships, no post season invitational championships and certainly no NCAA Tournament championships.
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Re: I'm curious, what are these new heights about which you speak?
Nov 6, 2025, 11:43 AM
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Not only that, Brownell can only win one game in the ACCT, if any, despite being the longest tenured men's basketball coach in Clemson history. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is insane. Yet the Clemson administration keeps being insane.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Your post is misleading and needs context.
Brownell hasn't been extremely successful and there are much lower expectations. That's true. But it's not because of Brownell. I know some of you like basketball, but Clemson has never been a basketball school. I personally hate basketball and won't watch a game). Littlejohn seats only 9,000, and they still don't sell out many games (attendance averages about 7,500). Clemson famously travels poorly for games. This isn't because of Brownell, who is likely one of the better basketball coaches in Clemson history, but because most Clemson fans don't like or care about basketball. If we were as good at basketball at Duke, I still wouldn't watch a single game. So the lower expectations and little excitement come mainly from apathy about the sport in general, not because of him.
People have different expectations in results based on the investment they give them. If you spend $1,000 on a suit, you expect it to be higher quality than if you spent $200 at Joseph A. Bank. Dabo makes $12 million a year. We pay his unqualified friends and family $8 million+. We spent $55 million on a place for the football team for him to use in recruiting. We've given Dabo everything he could ever want. Brownell gets the scraps. His salary is $3.75 million. You would hear very, very few complaints about Dabo if he were paid the same as Brownell. I don't think Dabo is a bad coach. But he is the second highest paid coach in America. He's the highest if you count the money we give his family. For that level of investment, you can and should expect more than a program that is 4-13 against ranked teams in 5 years.
Dabo has been one of the most successful coaches in the modern era of football (not close to Saban in success, but he's in that next tier). No argument there. But that level of success ended in 2020 when Trevor Lawrence and Venables left. Since then, Clemson has been on a firm decline. That is backed up statistically. So it's a very strong negative trend that's lasted 5 years and seems very likely to decline. And football is a slippery slope. Once you begin losing and lose relevance, you lose talent because recruits want to play for a winner. As you lose recruits, you lose more games. You have to right the ship before it completely capsizes. You can at once acknowledge the good Dabo did as a head coach and also recognize he isn't the right guy to lead Clemson forward in this new era.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Very well said. Props. I disagree that he’s not the guy. But that was well thought out and articulate.
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Re: that's bc we are a southern football school
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That really doesn't give two flips about basketball.... When it's good fine, when it's not then it becomes the punchline for jokes during winter downtime. We all want it to be good and it has been and were in a good spot. But it doesn't carry the same weight as football... Or even baseball.
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A spurious argument with no obvious theme. Just stirring the pot.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Nov 6, 2025, 8:18 AM
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Thanks for your input, in advance. I’ll be waiting for it.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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Nov 6, 2025, 9:22 AM
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Because Brad has been mostly meh, no one expects anymore so he can just sit there and be vanilla in peace. Dabo has been as successful as any coach in the modern era of football and people want to fire him as soon as there is a negative trend. Don’t get me wrong, Dabo needs to get his #### together. But Brad enjoy that you’ve sucked the excitement out of our program and coach in peace.
How about instead of comparing them Dabo has been a huge very successful winner, but needs to reinvent himself to get to the top again which has full support he will.
Coach Brownell took a little too long but now has the program firmer then it has ever been as far competitiveness, support, facilities and recruiting
Be positive and support both programs.
Go Tigers!!
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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I don’t disagree. What you said is even keel and correct. In all honesty my post was directed at a certain poster who hates Dabo and even has an avatar making my fun of him yet whines when someone says anything about the object of his devotion. Splits and acts like Dabo is the Devil and Brad is a saint. The truth is exactly what you’ve said. They both have their good and their bad and I support both.
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
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I don’t disagree. What you said is even keel and correct. In all honesty my post was directed at a certain poster who hates Dabo and even has an avatar making my fun of him yet whines when someone says anything about the object of his devotion. Splits and acts like Dabo is the Devil and Brad is a saint. The truth is exactly what you’ve said. They both have their good and their bad and I support both.
Thank you. I meant to TU you...
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Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.
Nov 6, 2025, 10:02 AM
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No problem
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Nov 6, 2025, 11:32 AM
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I’m not certain the program is as good as it has ever been as far as firm footing and competitiveness. I’d say Cliff Ellis did a very solid job given what he had. Multiple acc coach of year awards in an era where the acc dominated and was STRONG. Usually 3 tobacco road teams were top ten. Maryland was a beast at times.
Brownell has finally got the team on track, and it seems like he is a master portal user.
Not arguing with you at all. I’m basing this all off of memory as well, so I could be wrong about the Tobacco Road, Maryland thing.
Brad just has to get over floundering in tournament play. His last hurdle I guess
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Nov 7, 2025, 7:28 AM
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Yep, they're just alike. Dabo as won multiple conference and national championships, and Brad has taken us to new heights of being a middle of the pack team in a declining conference.
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World Champions >= Two National Championships
I jest, but I give Brownell props for recent improvement and I think we give Swinney another 14 years to get things straight again, too.
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