Re: The difference between BB and DS is stark.

lovingit® · 2025-11-06T02:13:25.208Z

Because Brad has been mostly meh, no one expects anymore so he can just sit there and be vanilla in peace. Dabo has been as successful as any coach in the modern era of football and people want to fire him as soon as there is a negative trend. Don’t get me wrong, Dabo needs to get his #### together. But Brad enjoy that you’ve sucked the excitement out of our program and coach in peace.

A: The statement wasn’t outlandish, you’re choosing to make it such. Again, before that statement, after that statement, even 3 seconds after had anyone said “have you ever failed at getting a team prepared for a game” he’d have said “yes”. You can change the question to a million things and he’d say yes. He’s said a thousand times he’s not perfect.

Taking things to their nth degree (like you’re choosing to do here) would involve any wrong he’s ever done. Lie? That means he failed to tell the truth.

Failing is a one time event. Failure is the end result of failing and giving up.

If you really want to go deep with semantics:
Failing is an act. Not completing or achieving a goal in a particular instance.

Failure is a final statement or state on a complete lack of success.

B: I’m plenty critical of Dabo. I’m just not bent on destroying him for one word that I don’t know the meaning of. You should try it

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Nov 5, 2025, 10:25 PM

Your post is misleading and needs context.

Brownell hasn't been extremely successful and there are much lower expectations. That's true. But it's not because of Brownell. I know some of you like basketball, but Clemson has never been a basketball school. I personally hate basketball and won't watch a game). Littlejohn seats only 9,000, and they still don't sell out many games (attendance averages about 7,500). Clemson famously travels poorly for games. This isn't because of Brownell, who is likely one of the better basketball coaches in Clemson history, but because most Clemson fans don't like or care about basketball. If we were as good at basketball at Duke, I still wouldn't watch a single game. So the lower expectations and little excitement come mainly from apathy about the sport in general, not because of him.

People have different expectations in results based on the investment they give them. If you spend $1,000 on a suit, you expect it to be higher quality than if you spent $200 at Joseph A. Bank. Dabo makes $12 million a year. We pay his unqualified friends and family $8 million+. We spent $55 million on a place for the football team for him to use in recruiting. We've given Dabo everything he could ever want. Brownell gets the scraps. His salary is $3.75 million. You would hear very, very few complaints about Dabo if he were paid the same as Brownell. I don't think Dabo is a bad coach. But he is the second highest paid coach in America. He's the highest if you count the money we give his family. For that level of investment, you can and should expect more than a program that is 4-13 against ranked teams in 5 years.

Dabo has been one of the most successful coaches in the modern era of football (not close to Saban in success, but he's in that next tier). No argument there. But that level of success ended in 2020 when Trevor Lawrence and Venables left. Since then, Clemson has been on a firm decline. That is backed up statistically. So it's a very strong negative trend that's lasted 5 years and seems very likely to decline. And football is a slippery slope. Once you begin losing and lose relevance, you lose talent because recruits want to play for a winner. As you lose recruits, you lose more games. You have to right the ship before it completely capsizes. You can at once acknowledge the good Dabo did as a head coach and also recognize he isn't the right guy to lead Clemson forward in this new era.

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The difference between BB and DS is stark.