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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108945]
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Someone read the Budweiser playbook on alienating half your customer base
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Apr 22, 2025, 1:19 PM
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https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/22/about-half-of-americans-have-a-negative-view-on-tesla-and-elon-musk-cnbc-survey-finds.html
I think the same lesson was learned. Perhaps? Maybe if enough other dolts read the book, they will get a different result? Doubt it.
Deer Budweiser, SHUT UP and brew beer.
Deer Target, SHUT UP and sell stuff
Deer Tesla, SHUT UP and make electric cars
Deer Gillette, SHUT UP and make razors
Deer.......I give up. Never understood why/how and to what end ANYONE running a major company with diverse customers, would want to alienate half their customers by getting political, racial, religious, or whatever else. Just do your thing. Really, people like your product. They don't give a #### about your opinion beyond your product.
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The Bud Light thing was impressively stupid and just pulled the covers back
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Apr 22, 2025, 1:29 PM
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on how fearful half the country is of trans people. It's marketing, and AB trying to appeal to a new, incremental demographic. It's not because they like or dislike or support or don't support trans people. It's to sell more product. That's it. End of story. That MAGA followed Kid Rock (a shocking turn of events, to be sure) and took it as a personal affront to mankind was...kinda predictable. This is a crowd that is more worried about labels on individuals than crumbling markets, inflation, and pending recessions.
Now, if the AB CEO had come out and said "WE SUPPORT TRANS PEOPLE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY OUR BEER.", that would be more comparable to what Musk has done at Tesla.
As Michael Jordan famously said when asked why he didn't delve into politics: "Republicans buy sneakers, too."
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108945]
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If you value a demographic more than the product, well.......
Apr 22, 2025, 1:40 PM
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the product suffers. You should always market your product, period. Putting a tranny on a beer can is a bad idea. Putting MLK on a beer can is a bad idea. Putting a toothless redneck on a beer can is probably not good either. Put some mountains, some snow-capped Rocky types, with some water drops. Make the packaging compliment the contents, not make a poi9tical statement. If you make electric cars, and you go full MAGA, and do what Musk has done, your car company suffers. Suffers both in your absence in leadership, but also in customers mad at you for collecting their SSN's, health data, tax info, etc.
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As far as I can remember...
Apr 22, 2025, 2:41 PM
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Coke stayed out of politics. They pushed messages of warm and happy feelings, but they also pushed messages of wholesome family settings. Coke put people of all races in there, but they didn't make any political statements. It was always just basically: "Have a Coke with people you love and be happy."
We won't count the New Coke blunder; that was a different animal.
That's a company that could have a lot of influence in politics and social commentary, but they stay out of it. And look where it gets them.
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Putting all races in advertising now IS a political statement and "woke"
Apr 22, 2025, 4:54 PM
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as is the message about love and happiness. You can't have empathetic messages anymore because that, too, is seen as "woke" by some. MAGA's currency is cruelty, and if the message isn't selling that idea, it's woke.
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The Bud Light thing was two-fold. Yes, the publicity of celebrating the
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Apr 22, 2025, 2:03 PM
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trans person was one of them. Dylan Mulvaney (had to look up the name). It wasn't just celebrating a trans person, it was celebrating a trans person who is a attention seeking caricature of the gender adopted. Just a silly person...completely off-putting to the typical Bud Light demographic.
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The Bud Light Marketing Director did an interview where she was interpreted as basically scoffing at the "typical demographic" of the Bud Light drinker, and said she was brought in to get away from that.
I really think it was that second thing that sealed the deal. It's one thing to be yet another large company buying into a more liberal culture and virtue signaling. It's another thing for an executive to publicly mock (and again...you could argue she wasn't intending to do that but she certainly could be perceived as having done so) your customers.
Anyway, Musk is staggering. Not sure what to say about him. He is, in my opinion, undeniably genius. And unorthodox. And I was onboard with a lot of what he would say and even the unorthodox and irreverent approach. But he just went too far. Strong opinions on things he really shouldn't comment on. And the people he disagreed with, he belittled. And he created a culture where, if I wanted to buy a Tesla (and from my perspective, that would be the electric vehicle I would want if I were in the market for one), I have to be mindful that many will perceive a message of broad support for Elon Musk if I buy one now. I don't buy cars to make statements, so I am now inclined not to buy a Tesla. Somewhere in the past few years I think he fully embraced the idea that he had "F You money", but Tesla still has people who work for it and now their company is hurting, exclusively because of his public persona.
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Re: The Bud Light thing was impressively stupid and just pulled the covers back
Apr 22, 2025, 2:27 PM
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Now, if the AB CEO had come out and said "WE SUPPORT TRANS PEOPLE AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T BUY OUR BEER.", that would be more comparable to what Musk has done at Tesla.
Well, one of their officials came out and said something similarly stupid.
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Bud Light's move was a poor understanding
Apr 22, 2025, 2:37 PM
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Of who drinks their beer and who doesn't. I can't fault them for trying to lure in new consumers, but it was pretty short-sighted to think they were suddenly luring in a bunch of LGBTQ+ new drinkers based on a fringe marketing scheme. The backlash was stupid and silly but no unpredictable by any means.
Elon's stupidity came from his overly-stroked ego, similar to Trump's and MAGA people. Like Trump, he's a fragile man who must be adored at all times and surrounds himself with people who will do just that. And that worked just fine when all you're doing is selling cars and blowing up expensive fireworks.
There's a subsect of Americans who worship Elon as hard as many worship Trump, and they did it completely separate of Trump and before Elon aligned with him. In fact, he won some of them to Trump simply because they adore him more.
Where people like he and Trump fail, just as those adore them fail, is that they just don't understand why people hate them. And they really don't get that most of America feels that way about them. I genuinely think Elon doesn't understand that slashing all those jobs and mocking it with the chainsaw antics hurt people and infuriated them. He thinks he's a hero and he has idiots whispering in his ear that he is. A man with this big of an ego can grasp what he does to hurt others and think objectively about the consequences of his actions.
Or, well, if he's not that, then he's more sinister than we think.
So yeah, I don't think he understands his stupid blunders and how they affect Tesla or anyone else. But he deserves every ounce of punishment to make him understand it.
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Re: Someone read the Budweiser playbook on alienating half your customer base
Apr 22, 2025, 2:41 PM
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My question with Bud Light was always was there no one on that marketing team that stood up and said “guys I think we should rethink this” ?
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I had a negative view of tesla before it was hip.***
Apr 22, 2025, 2:43 PM
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Paw Warrior [5023]
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Re: I had a negative view of tesla before it was hip.***
Apr 22, 2025, 3:24 PM
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Is it now hip to have a positive view of Tesla? I sincerely have no idea now??
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My view on Tesla hasn't changed.
Apr 22, 2025, 3:51 PM
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Doesn't have the range. I can drive 500 miles on a tank, and then fill up in 2 minutes for another $23 and keep going.
So same opinion when libs loved it. Same opinion when libs hate it, and vice versa with MAGA.
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Re: My view on Tesla hasn't changed.
Apr 22, 2025, 3:53 PM
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Same here. Have never felt the need to buy one, burn one or otherwise give them much thought whatsoever regardless of whatever the kooks are screaming about.
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Re: My view on Tesla hasn't changed.
Apr 22, 2025, 4:15 PM
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It has always been about the poor range and inconvenience to me. Nothing more. It’s just a dang car.
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Re: Someone read the Budweiser playbook on alienating half your customer base
Apr 22, 2025, 4:03 PM
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Most Tesla owners were Libs too. Even worse. Musk told them all the F-off. He then acts surprised that people turned on him.
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Bud Light svx. Teslas svx. HTH.***
Apr 22, 2025, 5:00 PM
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