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Yep - That Cardale Jones comparison is a total failure... Here's why

Dec 5, 2023, 11:22 AM

The 2014 Ohio State team lost QB JT Barrett in the 4th quarter of their last regular season game to Michigan.

The next week in the Big 10 champ game Cardale Jones was the QB for Ohio State went 12 completions in 17 attempts for 257 yards and 3 TDs and was MVP of the game. That's an astounding average of over 21 yards per pass with a 70% completion rate. Furthermore the Ohio State offense churned out 558 yards in a 59 to 0 beat down of Wisconsin - a 10-2 team who at that time was ranked #14 (hmm...compares rather nicely to 2023 Louisville....)

Ohio State did not fall off an offensive cliff with Cardale Jones at QB. For all practical purposes they maintained the seasonal offensive status quo and in funny twist, Cardale Jones actually had better QB stats than JT Barrett.

So when the CFP had to make a decision regarding Ohio State in the 2014 CFP they had solid data that there really was no detrimental affect of Ohio State losing JT Barrett. Simply put - the Ohio State offense was unaffected in their on-field performance when JT Barrett went down.

Now - Compare that to FSU who's total offensive average with Jordan Travis was 455 yards per game, 291 pass yards per game with 1.9 passing TD's per game at a 65% completion average.

Without Jordan Travis, FSU's total offense dropped to 221 yards per game, 95 pass yards per game with a 0 passing TD's per game at a dismal 43% completion average. Neither Rodemaker or Glenn achieved above a 48% completion rate and anyway you slice it - those FSU offensive numbers just ain't top 4 playoff quality regardless of their record..

So let's not pretend FSU's offense was/is not greatly affected by Jordan Travis' injury - the data is indisputable that they are simply not the same offensive team with their backup QB's. They are functioning at less than 50% of their previous Travis led offensive production.

The CFP Committee simply could not ignore the data and made a judgement based on how FSU performed without Travis and how they could reasonably expect them to perform against much better competition than Florida or Louisville. It sucks for FSU but unlike the 2014 Ohio State team - FSU show no ability to maintain a top 4 playoff team offensive production once Travis went down and the CFP Committee made a tough judgement call based on the available information.

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but it keeps reeling me in

it's the same old ####. big corps driving everything right in the ####### ground in this country. irdgaf if i'm on a soapbox, but this #### drives me ####### nuts. and we just accept it. and better yet, we double down on it leveraging outrageous talking points meticulously crafted by 8 digit budget PR teams as some sort of justification that what we're witnessing is ok.

and by the way, this specific argument is so flawed and it chaps my ####### ### when people write this¹.

Let's get alignment on a key parameter here: requirements for making the post-season are based on a team's performance throughout the year. Period.

if, say, Aaron Rodgers comes back to the NYJ, and they start stomping, say, Philly, Baltimore, Miami, etc....does that justify they "should" be in the playoffs? No. Why?

B/c they didn't win the games to put em in there.

Whether we like them and their corn row ########### coach or not, this team did everything they were required to do to make the post season and EARNED an opportunity to play for a championship. Whatever happens after this moment doesn't matter - whether they stomp the leg humpers by fiddy or get stomped by fiddy - they were subjectively disallowed, for reasons not tied to their on-field performance, the opportunity to play for a championship.

Everyone parroting this carefully socially engineered argument needs to re-evaluate their premises of what constitutes an actual playoff and how clubs make said post-seasons in their respective sport. The match-up after the fact in no way shape or form provides any sort of justification for disallowing someone a legitimate shot at winning a championship, b/c, "see, this other team who also got left out waxed them".

¹Sorry to unload on you, not my intention to be personal at all. love you bro

I agree with Walt and Jeff Scott:

You can win games with Offense

Look, FSU with these backup QBs looked like Iowa.

Yep - That Cardale Jones comparison is a total failure... Here's why

Then why does the Heisman

Voters got lazy a LONG time ago.***

The same Walt that used to rail against the eye test rankings?

And as far as the Draft Kings argument goes

well

All I see is two people arguing about a bad system.

Next season will be different.

there will still be an element of subjectivity

We won't have that until there are only 2 big conferences

Yep. Forgot. But with 8 or 12 teams, no one will argue that the best

I think they 100% knew what they were going with

How you look in the final 2 games

According to the CFP website there are criteria and a protocol

Re: According to the CFP website there are criteria and a protocol

I agree with Mike Leach.

Re: I agree with Mike Leach.

What??? It was mostly based on the last game, Bama vs. UGA

Yeah that's a terrible way to decide***

Hard to arrrrghue with his genius.***

spot on

Committee.....

If it happened to us, we'd all be highly pizzed.***

Very true. But people would also be yelling at us to get over it by now

The bowl game should not be a barometer for the season

Save for transfers and opt outs that I haven't

Yeah it all depends on who wants to be there

I say neither UGA nor FSU want to be there and it

I'm tired of talking about this just like everybody else

anti big corp? How very

lol

Re: lol

Butt ... I think the committee did the best they could, and tried to

then it's not a playoff

Agree except for the last part. I don't think they give a flying f u k

Oh, it was corporate and a calculated risk.

I respect the #### out of you Joe

So, now, all you have to do is prove that the committee members receive

Well they do get prime rib buffets***

Heck I think UGA is a better team than Bammer

Re: Did they choose the four best teams though?

Yes***

Yes. And Michigan, and Texas could.***

absolutely. bama is the weakest team in the cfp 4.***

I don't

It was based mostly on the last game. So, that's not subjective and they

I'll argue that a 12 team playoff WILL matter because #13 or #14 or #15 might

Re: I'll argue that a 12 team playoff WILL matter because #13 or #14 or #15 might

It's called the Point of Diminishing Phuks.***

I think Oregon may be a top 4 team

I'm on the record as having

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