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Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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Jan 9, 2023, 8:55 AM
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you know, guys who may need a year or two in the weight room? Guys who we see something in a year or two down the road? Guys like Ruke with little football experience in his background? Guys like Phillips, or Jones, or Venables, or Turner, or Woodaz?
After all, there are better guys in the portal, right?
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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Good idea. Let those losers like Renfro find another home!
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Yep, and guys like Reader, Watkins, Jaron Brown, Grisham
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:17 AM
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Shatley, Leggett, Tankersley, Humphries, Goodson, Beasley, Williams, Palmer, Jenkins, Conner, Gaines Adams, Fudge, many more.
Oh wait! They were all 3 stars or less good enough to play in the NFL.....after they developed
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Re: Yep, and guys like Reader, Watkins, Jaron Brown, Grisham
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You're just trying to create an argument. Pander to the masses. Good job. You accomplished what you set out to do.
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The argument being posed is
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:29 AM
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we're recruiting guys who likely will never see the light of day instead of getting guys from the portal. My question is, how in the world can anyone know that given our track record of recruiting guys who were developmental when they arrived and flourished here?
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Re: Yep, and guys like Reader, Watkins, Jaron Brown, Grisham
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:43 AM
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Striper isn't wrong though. No one had a problem with the way Dabo did things 5 years ago. Now everyone else is portal dipping so some fans are complaining Dabo isn't doing the same. He's always been selective on offers to recruits. Dabo has always marched to his own beat, just like he's doing now. What I cant understand is why the same people who supported him faithfully 5 years ago cant find it in themselves to stay the course and do the same now. This isn't directed solely at you, and I don't want it to seem that way. Everything I've ever seen of you Clemgal you have always been super positive. I just don't want you or any other real Clemson fan to be jaded with Dabo for doing what he's always done. It's all he knows.
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Re: Yep, and guys like Reader, Watkins, Jaron Brown, Grisham
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The game changes.....if you do not adapt you'll likely end up being a scrub.
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The game will always be about getting good players
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Jan 9, 2023, 11:18 AM
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no matter where you get them from. Where are we lacking, other than depth at a couple of positions as we are unproven, for good players?
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Transfer portal wasn't around when those
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:36 AM
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guys played. I wonder if they all would have been patient in today's college football world?
My guess is at least some of those guys would have hit the portal.
Again, if we weren't losing experienced/quality depth to the portal, I would be fine not touching it. Problem is were losing guys who once would develop and play key roles. Since we don't use portal, we're backfilling with inexperience and in some cases its so late in the recruiting process that it may be a kid we wouldn't have even offered otherwise.
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Who are the quality depth guys we've lost so far?
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:39 AM
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Now, we could lose a DT, a talented one, with TD and Ruke returning. I would hate that. But so far with the portal, have we lost anyone who has gone elsewhere and outperformed the guys here who were in front of them?
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Re: Who are the quality depth guys we've lost so far?
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:45 AM
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Joseph Charleston, Kane Patterson, Vonta Bentley, Decari Collins, Frank Ladson, Mike Jones, Chez Mellusi, Kobe Pace, etc.
These are just off top of my head. Again there is no way to tell what starters may get hurt next year. If these guys are still around they would be able to step in and play.
Again think about your list, if some of those guys would have transferred instead of being patient, we would have been playing a true freshman in their spot
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Not one of those guys are/were better than guys ahead of
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:56 AM
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them here. Not one. The nature of the game now is you're going to lose guys. Now, you're either finding someone to replace the guys better than those guys. Replace a starter. Or, someone willing to come here and be depth.
The portal is basically guys looking for more PT, not looking to be depth. Look at FSU. King of the portal, right? They've brought in guys to start, not depth. They also had the scholarships available to do so. We don't. We had 8 guys take the Covid year, all starters. Could be nine if Ngata returns. Where is the room for a transfer?
Maybe in the spring
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I think in certain cases you can find a guy that
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:11 AM
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Is willing to come compete for playing time. I just think a few guys a year for depth would help. Last year they targeted an OL, but only offered one. So it was determined to be a need. Its hard for me to believe there wasn't at least 1 OL in the portal that would have been an upgrade to our 2 deep. Same could be said for db.
Next year we look really thin at LB and RB after starting group. You're right that scholarships #'s are an issue, but that has a lot to do with how many offers we put out.
Thing is I actually agree with Dabos stance and only using when necessary. Just seems like it has been necessary in a few cases and we still didn't use.
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We are thin at LB
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:17 AM
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but the starters are star quality. How many snaps apart from injury are we looking at? Bentley left because he played very little this year and knew it would be the same next year.
RB? We're talking about a 3rd team guy. Who is coming for that? Pace was a really good back, he wasn't staying to be 3rd team, and I can't blame him.
We targeted two OL last year in the portal. One went to Michigan, the other to Florida. We looked at a DB this year who went to FSU. But we return a starter in Jones now. We return our top 10 DB's this year. Where is the PT?
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The Portal is a theoretical solution for some people
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Jan 9, 2023, 11:06 AM
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but, when pressed, they can't apply actual specific portal players to Clemson's roster.
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Bentley likely starts at Colorado
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Jan 9, 2023, 11:10 AM
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but behind Carter, Trotter and Woodaz here, he wasn't going to play much. Same for Kobe at Virginia. We're going to lose some good players because we recruit good players, and all can't be starters. But other than depth guys, where are the openings this coming year? If Ngata returns, I count one, LT. And there we'll have a five star and several highly recruited 4 stars vying for that position. Strangely I'm good with that
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Re: Bentley likely starts at Colorado
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Jan 9, 2023, 11:22 AM
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Bentley was a huge liability in coverage and containing a scrambling QB. That's been a problem for us for a number of years at middle linebacker. This year? Not a problem.
Between our recruiting class and our seniors who are returning, we are in good shape. As you say, if there isn't a starting position available, transfer players aren't coming to Clemson to be second or third string.
Judging from the moving goalposts and changing rationales, some people just want to whine.
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We shouldn't award scholarships to walk ons
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:21 AM
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don't you know that?
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:07 AM
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Good idea. Let those losers like Renfro find another home!
Renfrow was a PWO who earned his spot. Try to keep up with the topic...
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:05 AM
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I wouldn't go quite that far. But it is odd for roster management to be a challenge when we have serious deficiencies in a couple of position groups.
Given our success in recruiting and keeping players, maybe we should just 'budget' to keep a few spots open for the portal.
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And if you miss on your targets, what then?
Jan 9, 2023, 9:20 AM
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we've targeted guys, they chose to go elsewhere. Just leave those scholarships open until next year? Or give them to a walk on and again incur the wrath of the Tnets?
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How has every program figured it out but us?
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:23 AM
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Our problem is that we when miss on our primary targets, we go for fallback project types.
And it's been happening more and more often. Some of them never make a positive contribution then they transfer out once they don't get playing time.
That's just holding a spot for the sake of numbers instead of looking at the portal.
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How's our track record on bringing in those developmental
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:36 AM
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guys? No one is perfect in it, but we've been pretty dang good. No one knows how anyone will develop, even a 5 star, which we've missed on several. But if you see something in a guy, why would you not offer? No one offered Cole Turner until we did.
We return 20 either starters or starter quality players if Ngata returns. At LT we have very highly recruited players who will compete for that job. At TE we have Briningstool stepping in for Allen. We have many very highly recruited freshmen who are going to play this year. We have guys who have been in the system 1-2-3 years who will provide depth.
If Ngata leaves and numbers allow, I'd love to bring in a starter quality WR, but everywhere else, we're pretty doggone solid, except for depth where there are questions at DE and LB. Depth is tough to recruit in the portal.
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Cole looked really good but let's hold off
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:52 AM
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calling him the next Tee Higgins, alright?
I get it, your view is to trust Dabo, and he can do no wrong. I wish I had your optimism. I really do.
I know I am beating a dead horse, but I think the current landscape is just not great for a guy like Dabo, and that's a shame because he does it the right way - how it should be done.
I guess I am ok with us being a top 25ish team with little to no hope of winning another NCAA championship, but I am not going to sit here and pretend that Clemson has no challenges with their roster management because it's simply not true.
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I've never said Dabo could do no wrong
Jan 9, 2023, 10:59 AM
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and I agree, Turner still has to prove it over a full year. But I think we both agree, he sure looks like a keeper.
I think we screwed up in WR recruiting when we targeted just the big guys for a few years. We've corrected that. That began under Scott. But glaring mistakes are pretty few and far between with Dabo. DJ? You certainly can make the argument. Where else? Some may say staffing. Maybe, but still pretty early to tell there for sure in spite of what experts say here.
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I mean we absolutely whiffed with WR recruiting in 23
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insane how badly, RB for a couple of years now.
I hope Dabo knows what he is doing because we are in decline, no question.
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Not sure how you can say we've whiffed for 2023
Jan 9, 2023, 11:15 AM
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we haven't even seen them yet. Johnson dominated at his all star practices and game. Hannifan is a great, and big, athlete. The kid from Greenville looks alot like Johnson.
Mike Williams was a fall back recruit. So was Antonio. Turner wasn't recruited by anyone. Might want to give it some time
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We can wait and see sure, and again, I hope I am wrong.
Jan 9, 2023, 1:24 PM
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But not to get a single recruit from the top 100 in country seems like a whiff to me, what do I know though?
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Really hate to say it
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Jan 9, 2023, 1:27 PM
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but we were recruiting with DJ as the QB. If Cade has a big year, I'd be shocked if we don't land a couple of studs. Same at RB as Ship and Mafah get closer to moving on
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a good mix of both would not hurt our program one bit.....
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not if Dabo is the "great leader of men" that we say he is.
4-6 transfers in positions of desperate need SHOULD NOT be a cancer to our "Kulture".
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Whose scholarship are you revoking?
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:18 AM
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we have 88 right now
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Re: Whose scholarship are you revoking?
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I expect we'll have Spring attrition. Or Dabo will give someone the nudge (which I really don't believe in).
It would be a bummer if Taylor was one of them. (In case anyone isn't aware, two-sport athlete's scholarships always count against football.)
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I think Taylor goes baseball only, but we'll see
Jan 9, 2023, 9:30 AM
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it's where his future is, and he's been passed on the depth chart by Williams at both WR and PR
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There are better guys in the portal
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Jan 9, 2023, 9:31 AM
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haven't you heard?
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Re: There are better guys in the portal
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You must include character in your assessment. A 5 star that is not coachable is useless. Clowney is a good example. He played only when he wanted to and is still doing it in the NFL. His NFL coach actually told him to stay at home for yesterday's road game.
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He was, most definitely, a last minute fall back player.***
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 9:42 AM
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Ok Einstein, how does a coach today know who will be in the Portal? Coaches are recruiting high school juniors and sophs and they have to make offers to get recruits. You cannot know today who will leave your team or any other team. Recruiting is hard and is getting harder.
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Check your meter***
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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Maybe we should only recruit 3 star guys. Just look at all those names you mentioned. We'd probably win a national title.
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I think we won 2
Jan 9, 2023, 10:06 AM
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and that's not even counting the guys like a Skalski and many others who were excellent college players if not NFL quality
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Re: I think we won 2
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This is my dream team right here. All 3 stars signed under Dabo.
QB: Cole Stoudt - Kelly Bryant
RB: Wayne Gallman - Kobe Pace
WR: Adam Humphries - Cole Turner
WR: Ajou Ajou - Brannon Spector
WR: Hunter Renfrow - Will Taylor
TE: Jordan Leggett - Davis Allen
LT: Jordan McFadden - Isaiah Battle
LG: Tyler Shatley - Gage Cervenka
OC: Jay Guillermo - Justin Falcinelli
RG: Taylor Hearn - Kalon Davis
RT: Tremayne Anchrum - Trent Howard
DE: Vic Beasley - Jaheim Lawson
DT: Grady Jarrett - Jabril Robinson
DT: DeShawn Williams - Ruke Orhorhoro
DE: Kevin Dodd - Greg Williams
LB: Isaiah Simmons - Wade Woodaz
LB: James Skalski - Kendall Joseph
LB: BJ Goodson - Baylon Spector
CB: Cordrea Tankersley - Marcus Edmond
S: TJ Green - Tanner Muse
S: K'Von Wallace - Jadar Johnson
CB: Ryan Carter - Adrian Baker
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Except for QB
Jan 9, 2023, 11:21 AM
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I think you can win with that, lol. Maybe run two TE's though, lol
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Re: Except for QB
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That defense is tough. Not gonna lie.
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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It's okay to admit that we need 3-stars along with the 4 and 5-stars, plus a few even under that radar, to achieve consistent success and play for championships. Really. It's okay. You can still be mad at Dabo for filling up our roster with top HS recruits and retaining top veteran talent like he does if it makes you feel better.
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i will sign off on that plan
Jan 9, 2023, 9:53 AM
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mostly because i'm not accountable for it's success or failure
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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I’m of the mindset with what Dabo has said all along. If he needs to use it he will use it. That’s the end of it for me. I do not spend a lot of time worrying about it honestly. Tough business right now and roster management has to be a big pain in the butt since free agency has become an issue. 2 years ago if you lost someone to the portal they were normally non contributors, but as of today I feel we have been fortunate in not losing any of our starters to the portal. SC has lost what 3-4 better guys than what they are bringing in, and FSU seems to be making big moves, but we will soon see what the long term looks like when filling that many needs with transfers instead of good high school talent that could be there 3-4 years.
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Agree completely
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if we had a scholarship available would I like to see us add a big time WR? Absolutely. But we're mostly looking at depth right now. We return, if you include Cade and Ngata, 17 starters. XT is starter quality. So is Woodaz, so make it 19. Even Mascoll, make it 20. Doesn't leave many spots to upgrade, especially when we'll have highly recruited guys who will be vying for those other positions
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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you know, guys who may need a year or two in the weight room? Guys who we see something in a year or two down the road? Guys like Ruke with little football experience in his background? Guys like Phillips, or Jones, or Venables, or Turner, or Woodaz?
After all, there are better guys in the portal, right?
Or perhaps stop giving scholarships to the non-rated guys with no other P5 offers. Offer them a PWO spot so they can actually earn a spot
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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My only problem is all the coaches sons/ coaches friends sons etc. getting scholarships ahead of D1 kids who indeed need the scholarship because they can’t afford it otherwise.
Theses coaches making millions should absolutely pay out of their pocket for said education for their kids and friends kids. JMO
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If we did that then we'd be thin at the FG holder position
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:28 AM
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then where would we be?
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 10:35 AM
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The problem with that though is as far as I have ever seen the only one of the Swinney boys or Venables boys that received a scholly was one of Swinney's boys (Drew maybe?) for one season, and that was a team vote for him being deserving of it. Now if you're talking about legacy recruits from former Tigers years past that's different. I could be wrong, but the one Swinney is all I ever heard about getting a free ride.
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Legend [19686]
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Every team has a few walk ons who earn a scholarship
Jan 9, 2023, 10:42 AM
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every team. No Swinney has ever botched a snap in 5 years. That's a pretty good track record
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Legend [18790]
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True, we too deep at FG holder***
Jan 9, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Legend [19686]
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Haven't needed to be deep
Jan 9, 2023, 11:02 AM
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those coaches sons never screw it up, lol
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The only coaches son on scholarship now is Venables
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Jan 9, 2023, 10:40 AM
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is he not a good player?
As for holder/snapper, that's a team thing. No one thinks about how important those positions are, until they screw up. When was the last screw up we had there? Is that position not worthy of a scholarship. The team knows how important those positions are
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 2:15 PM
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My only problem is all the coaches sons/ coaches friends sons etc. getting scholarships ahead of D1 kids who indeed need the scholarship because they can’t afford it otherwise.
Theses coaches making millions should absolutely pay out of their pocket for said education for their kids and friends kids. JMO
With where Dabo started and playing at Bama I believe Dabo will always have a place for someone that may remind him of where he came from.
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Is a Freshman 3 star better than a Portal 3 star?
Jan 9, 2023, 10:59 AM
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Would the Freshman be hit or miss?
Would the Portal be more developed in the weight room?
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Who are those portal 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 11:05 AM
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who have proven themselves who are looking to come here and be depth? That's basically what we're talking about. What starter positions are up for grabs except LT, where we have very highly recruited guys who will compete for that job.
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Re: Is a Freshman 3 star better than a Portal 3 star?
Jan 9, 2023, 2:17 PM
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Would the Freshman be hit or miss?
Would the Portal be more developed in the weight room?
If you are in the portal at a 3 star it’s not money you are after. It’s just the simple fact you could not cut it where you were at.
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 11:25 AM
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Let's go down the list of the number of 3 stars that Dabo has signed and their NFL futures
2009:
Corico Wright
Quandon Christian
Tyler Shatley (UFA)
Spencer Shuey
Darrell Smith
Jonathan Meeks
2010:
David Beasley
Tavaris Barnes (UFA)
Bashaud Breeland (4th)
Reid Webster
Desmond Brown
Joe Craig
DJ Howard
Demont Buice
Jake Nicolopulos
Ricky Chaney
Tra Thomas
Martin Jenkins
Gifford Timothy
Vic Beasley (1st)
Kalon Davis
Sam Cooper
2011:
Cortez Davis
Spencer Region
Joe Gore
Tony McNeal
Shaq Anthony
DeShawn Williams (UFA)
Ryan Norton
Roderick Byers
Cole Stoudt
BJ Goodson (4th)
Grady Jarrett (4th)
Robert Smith
Jerome Maybank
Adam Humphries (UFA)
Colton Walls
Stanton Seckinger
Morgan Roberts
CJ Davidson
Kevin Dodd (2nd)
Isaiah Battle
2012:
Patrick Destefano
Oliver Jones
TJ Burrell
Marty Williams
Jay Jay McCullough
2013:
Cordrea Tankersley (3rd)
Adrian Baker
Jordan Leggett (5th)
Dane Rogers
Korrin Wiggins
Maverick Morris
Jadar Johnson
TJ Green (2nd)
Marcus Edmond
DJ Greenlee
Ryan Carter
2014:
Justin Falcinelli
Kendall Joseph
Jeff Gibson
CJ Fuller
Taylor Hearn
Jabril Robinson
Jalen Williams
2015:
Noah Green
Kelly Bryant
Kaleb Chalmers
Shadell Bell
Sterling Johnson
Zach Giella
Tanner Muse (3rd)
Tucker Israel
Gage Cervenka
LeSamuel Davis
Denzel Johnson
Amir Trapp
2016:
Isaiah Simmons (1st)
Tremayne Anchrum (7th)
JC Chalk
James Skalski
Chandler Reeves
K'Von Wallce (4th)
Cade Stewart
2017:
Blake Vinson
Chase Brice
Noah DeHond
Baylon Spector (7th)
2018:
Jake Venables
Darnell Jefferies
Jordan McFadden (TBD)
Braden Galloway
2019:
Logan Cash
Keith Maguire
Tayquon Johnson
Jayln Phillips (TBD)
Etinosa Reuben
Hunter Rayburn
Brannon Spector
Greg Williams
Ray Thornton
Ruke Orhorhoro (TBD)
Lannden Zanders
Davis Allen (TBD)
Mikey Dukes
Kaleb Boateng
2020:
John Wiliams
Ajou Ajou
Kobe Pace (TBD)
Sage Ennis
Tyler Venables
Trent Howard
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 11:30 AM
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We've signed 112 three stars under Dabo...
12 have been drafted, 3 were undrafted free agents that had long careers, 5 are TBD
Let's just argue that the 3 UFA's count, and that all 5 TBD's get drafted
20 of the 112 three stars became NFL players. That's a whopping 18%.
At that trend, our 85 man roster would have 15 players that were going to be in the NFL.
I wish we only signed 3 stars. Truly.
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 11:48 AM
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How many of those players are still in the nfl? What was the average years those now out of the league played?
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 11:38 AM
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Until we win the big bowl games or playoff champs again in the new era of college football, Clemson staying status quo will always be under scrutiny. So far since 2020 sugar bowl loss, we are 0-1 in new year 6 bowls and no playoff appearances. We let Wake win the Atlantic and Pitt win a championship. Let that sink in. I like the rebound of winning the Acc this year. That is a positive. 2021 is when the portal and nil started to take off and coaches had to adapt. Like it or not, it’s here to stay.
I will always be a fan and support the team in good and bad times. But as long as Clemson wants the fans to pony up for donations, we have every right to question who they recruit and how they win or lose. It’s that simple. Clemson should be getting top 5 and 4 stars all day long. We have the culture and facilities for attracting those men not to mention the education degree is valuable. Stars don’t make an All American player but they sure do help when a 5 star freshmen can come in and compete at a 3 year or 4 year experience level type player.
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
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Jan 9, 2023, 12:00 PM
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You’re ridiculously annoying. No Clemson fans I know carry on like you. Are you on Dabo’s payroll?
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I wish, he's rich!***
Jan 9, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Re: I wish, he's rich!***
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You were wrong about the QB situation and you’re wrong about this. The talent at Clemson is plummeting. The WR room is putrid. Why didn’t he get some Wideouts for Cade?
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Of the 11 WR currently on scholarship
Jan 9, 2023, 12:50 PM
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who you kicking out the door?
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 2:04 PM
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You’re ridiculously annoying. No Clemson fans I know carry on like you. Are you on Dabo’s payroll?
You apparently do not know many Clemson fans! Go pull for your team and do us a favor and leave TNet. Never add anything of value. Just whine and complain.
Annoying because you can’t refute facts. The first sign name calling. Right now cultists is the “go to” word. Annoying is a little weak.
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Portals usually just a buncha 3*s
Jan 9, 2023, 1:39 PM
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anyway looking for new homes.
Whether from the portal or Daniel High, who cares.
Just win, baby.
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Re: Maybe we should stop recruiting 3 stars
Jan 9, 2023, 2:08 PM
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It's great you can mention all the 3 stars who have had great careers at Clemson and many who have made the NFL. However, I don't see as many recent 3 stars who have worked out like they did 5-10 years ago. As a matter of fact, if you look at most of our 4-stars on O-line and wide receiver, the development the past few years has been poor. We'll have 4 starters back on O-line, I'm certainly not confident of their abilities, especially after this year. Same goes for WR outside of A Williams.
I understand that we have 85+ scholarship players and I'm not looking to pull players from the Portal. But if Clemson is going to win another championship, forget the 3-stars, coaches have to do a much better job developing 4 star players. We have plenty of guys with great pedigrees who have already been in the system for at least 2-3 years, unfortunately their development over that time is way below standard.
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Three stars who will start next year
Jan 9, 2023, 3:53 PM
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Woodaz, Phillips, Jones, Ruke, maybe Turner.
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