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Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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The only coach at Clemson that has never won an ACC championship. Maybe ACC basketball will continue getting worse for him.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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May 25, 2025, 6:33 PM
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He is doing a great job now though. Duke will be stacked again though.
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Its less than expected, not great***
May 26, 2025, 10:13 AM
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Re: Its less than expected, not great***
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May 26, 2025, 10:22 AM
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Can I ask what is expected after going to back to back NCAATs including 1 was an Elite 8 which was the equivalent of a football playoff appearance?
Is Indiana going to fire Football Coach Curt Cignetti if he doesn't get back to the football playoff in the next three years but does go to at least a few bowl games?
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Is winning one postseason game in year 15 great?
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May 26, 2025, 10:27 AM
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No.
The elite 8 was fantastic. It was at this point the clear anomaly. That is a “great” accomplishment but as a whole over 15 years Brownell is not doing “great”. He’s not nearly living up to this pay. With as much money as we’re paying the man we should expect several sweet 16 seasons. The elite 8 does not erase all the mediocrity. Sorry.
I hope he does “great” this year I really do, but with the attrition I expect we’ll see a step backwards from last year, which was a disappointing step backwards.
No hater here bud. These are just the facts of the matter.
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Re: Is winning one postseason game in year 15 great?
May 27, 2025, 8:00 AM
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He is doing a great job now though.
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Let me know how Cignetti does in years 15 and 16.
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If he’s going backwards and has only that one playoff appearance - he gone.
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Re: Let me know how Cignetti does in years 15 and 16.
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May 26, 2025, 10:37 AM
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If he’s going backwards and has only that one playoff appearance - he gone.
I agree with that
Coach Brownell as I indicated should have been let go in year 7, but he wanted namely because of the facility upgrades and the last 8 have been good.
You don't look at that. You look at where the program is now. Again, if he is falters the next few years he will be forced into retirement.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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May 25, 2025, 6:53 PM
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I'm sure he feels like the basketball coach at the greatest University on this planet.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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May 25, 2025, 6:55 PM
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He says he looks better when he is sitting on his wallet.
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May 25, 2025, 7:09 PM
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He definitely got 5 inches taller sitting down while he been here!
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 25, 2025, 7:28 PM
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He has a $20 million 5 year contract to make him a white sheep along with the knowledge that he has won more games than any coach in our history. Being a winner is about far more than winning a championship.
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Also lost more games than any coach in history.
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May 26, 2025, 10:15 AM
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He ONLY has the most wins because he’s been here so darn long. He is not the winningest coach by percentage.
Doing horribly in the tournaments is not acceptable considering his pay and tenure.
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Re: Also lost more games than any coach in history.
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He ONLY has the most wins because he’s been here so darn long. He is not the winningest coach by percentage.
Doing horribly in the tournaments is not acceptable considering his pay and tenure.
Actually his total winning percentage is creeping up to .600. in the last 8 years his percentage is higher than anyone else by far is what you want to look at more.
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Thats cool? Can you list the accomplishments for one of the
May 26, 2025, 10:29 AM
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better paid coaches in the country?
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Re: Also lost more games than any coach in history.
May 26, 2025, 7:29 PM
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He ONLY has the most wins because he’s been here so darn long. He is not the winningest coach by percentage.
Doing horribly in the tournaments is not acceptable considering his pay and tenure.
Bobby Knight, Coach K and Dean Smith also have the most losses at their schools meaning stat has more to do with longevity than the quality of their coaching. Since you have only been around a month, perhaps you should learn a little of our history before commenting
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Re: Also lost more games than any coach in history.
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Didn’t those coaches win national championships?
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Re: Also lost more games than any coach in history.
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May 26, 2025, 9:22 PM
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As if that matters.
LOL
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Which coach does not fit?
May 27, 2025, 1:36 PM
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Ummm that’s a tough one lol
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Re: That sounds like the answer to a multiple choice test question
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What if I told you that Brad’s current contract is more valuable than any Dean Smith or Bob Knight ever saw and that his career earnings are a toss up for second on that list. Time and money well invested by comparison.
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Re: Also lost more games than any coach in history.
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Is that the comparison you want to make? Mr. Never a Bad word about Brownell but please unload on our actually successful baseball coach?
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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May 25, 2025, 7:52 PM
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there have been 10 in basketball at Clemson since we joined the ACC who have not won the ACCT.It is annoying and frustrating but its not like the man is a total program killer.. He has us going as well as we ever have for a sustained period and seems to be more successful during this present era of NUL and the portal. the way we finished last season was bad and losing Dillon isn't an excuse. McNeese alone was a total debacle and the Louisille loss wasnt much better. But overall it was a nice season.
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May 25, 2025, 8:05 PM
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Oakland and Morehead State on our home court was great postseason triumphs.
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You’re throwing in the 3 one-season teams to pad that stat. Nine different teams have won the tournament since Brad took over. That 15 tourney’s in 16 seasons (2020 cancelled). Of the 11 teams in the conference when he started only Clemson, BC, and Wake have failed to win a title over his tenure. We’ve made him a top 20 paid coach for that distinction.
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Inaccurate
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May 25, 2025, 8:10 PM
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Radwanski, Poppie, Kerr-Simpson, Byrd, Saia, Wagner and Kwolek have also not won an ACC championship
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May 25, 2025, 8:48 PM
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Have any of them been at Clemson for 15+ seasons?
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 25, 2025, 9:15 PM
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Let the haters pile on. At least we made the final 8 last year.
More would be nice. Hard to compete with private schools NIL, but we’ve had our moments.
Is it Basketball season?
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Last season we lost in the early in the ACCT and didnt win a game
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May 26, 2025, 10:19 AM
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in the NCAAT.
That’s where we are after 15 years and what was a stacked roster. Now we are starting all over again with a bunch of guys who never played together. What are your honest predictions for the upcoming season? I personally see another step backwards.
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Re: Last season we lost in the early in the ACCT and didnt win a game
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Which is why Neff reflexively gave Brad a bigger raise, extension, and buyout than after his Elite 8 appearance. Had to give him a big fat cushion in case of any letdown in the next couple seasons. Surely Brad can get back to the tourney no later than 2028 so Neff doesn’t have to ask Daddy Brad to step down.
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For the record, Bakich is doing great and deflections to Basketball are kind of lame.
Omaha!
Go Tigers!
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May 26, 2025, 10:02 AM
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The only coach at Clemson that has never won an ACC championship. Maybe ACC basketball will continue getting worse for him.
I don't get all the hate toward the basketball program unless it is, again, for retaliation ,for the bad choices for posts from the Judge.
Hey, I get from number of years ago. I wanted him gone after the 2016-17 season. He then followed that with a sweet sixteen run. I was disappointed in the year after that and then the folowing year, and then another NCAAT and then a couple of years later two straight NCAATs including an Elite 8 and the program has been the best it has been in awhile including greater continued facility upgrades, coaching assistants, and NIL backing.
Seems like the basketball program gets more respect from outside the footprint of this site including nationally.
Wake Forest has a lot better history in basketball then Clemson and now under after year 5 of Steve Forbes he still can't get to the NCAAT. In fact, think they have been to one NCAAT in the last 13 years. Do you want to switch coaches with them now?
Everyone says that Coach Brownell still hasn't won a championship. Well, there are a lot of prorams in the power conferences who haven't done that in football and basketball. In fact you don't look at that as far as achievement national in the two by far top revenue sports. You look at post seasons overall success. Bowl games, at least some Bowl wins in football, and NCAATs and maybe a few runs. Notice I didn't say championships in either of those two sports. Yeah, the top programs or blue bloods they are like Clemson in Football and blue blood programs like Duke, Kansas, and UNC in Basketball they do expect that but not Clemson in basketball now.
As much as you might hate it If Graham Neff fired Coach Brownell today, he would be laughed at by local and national media and if is successor didn't produce winning in 3 or 4 years tops he would be fired. Just look at the recruiting going on now. The program is involved with many top 50-100 more than at any other time in basketball.
Give it a few more years and if things taper off then Coach Brownell can be forced into retirement and then start his new job with the athletic department.
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A few more years??
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May 26, 2025, 10:22 AM
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We need to see some high success before he gets even another year. His only accomplishment in 15 years is an elite 8. If you wanna call sweet 16 an accomplishment then go ahead, but that should be expected more times than once in 15 years.
That’s not nearly good enough when you’re a top 20 paid coach, and if he fails again to accomplish anything this year then it’s time.
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I made this post to F with the Judge crowd. I actually like Brad and hope he retires here.
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What a joke of a thread. The haters will complain no matter what. The last 8 years have been the best 8 year span in clemson basketball history, and it's not even close. The haters will continue to bash no matter what happens. They just dont like brownell, which is strange considering he's a good clemson man.
We could have 5 stellar seasons in a row and the haters would still ##### and moan about year 2 where he had to start brian narcisse, because we had minimal talent and no depth.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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A period of time never extended to any other coach in Clemson basketball history is marginally better than any previous period of time of similar length by previous coaches not extended similar tenures or resources. Great observation. Let’s make him one of a dozen coaches paid $5 million a season. Check. Further let’s put him in the financial company of coaches who have won championships and made multiple Final Four appearances because that is what responsible people do with money. Check. Let’s place no further expectations on the program. Check. Mediocrity forever!!!! Check.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 7:58 PM
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Name an 8 year span that comes close to the last 8 years. Should be easy to list, right?
Brad brownell is so far into your head, it's actually kind of sad.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 8:46 PM
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Name the coach that got year 9-16 while being paid near the top of the conference so I can make that comparison.
While you’re at it, name the NCAA P5 equivalent that has invested more time OR more money in a coach with so little hardware. Just one - in either money or time will do. Just one. This should be easy for you. Until you can you have no point.
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May 26, 2025, 9:17 PM
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Name a coach that took over a team that had 0 conference championships, were bottom of their respective league in financial support, history, and facilities, and had minimal talent after year 1.
Every situation is unique. If we didn't have one of the best seasons in school history in year 8, then he would have been fired and i would have probably supported that. After this, we have gone onto have the best stretch in school history. Not only that, our recruiting has been better than anytime recently and we a ton of momentum as a program. Leave it to a miserable chode like you to want to end the momentum.
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So your argument is that I’m right, Brownell is the lowest return on investment in the history of p5 college basketball but that’s fine because Clemson is the worst P5 program in college basketball? That doesn’t hold up to any scrutiny whatsoever. So, it should be easy to find a single precedent for this either the time AND money much less either. But you can’t offer a single example that even comes close. Do you really think we’re suddenly playing 4D chess. JFC. Just one - name one.
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May 26, 2025, 11:18 PM
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Your argument is that im right. You see, we van both mindlessly say that.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 11:23 PM
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No. I gave you a challenge that you deflected from with mumbo jumbo. I don’t agree with your assessment of our program history because my understanding of Clemson basketball is Judge Keller copy-pasta. Name a single coach given more for less than Coach Brownell. Just one. It shouldn’t be this hard. You’ll own me in front of all of Tigernet. All put in my signature: “Coach Brownell is clearly hatter than “X” and I had no idea what Inwas talking about”. Go for it: it’s so easy. You don’t make a guy one of a dozen coaches making $5 million+ if you can’t name a single coach who done less to earn it. Do you?
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 11:36 PM
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I have asked similar questions for years and you have refused to respond.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 11:51 PM
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I’ve answered every fallacy in your post in question numerous times. None of it’s true. Numerous P5 teams lack regular season or tournament championships in basketball. We have a regular season title and we played in a conference tournament final under his immediate predecessor. Our 15 NCAa tourney appearance ranks us ahead of numerous ACC & SEC programs amongst numerous other P5 programs. We have continually made investments in basketball facilities under Shyatt (planned under Barnes), Purnell, and Brownell.
So, again, just one. One coach who has been paid more or given more time for less. Just one. Surely a Big12 bottom feeder with a history you inline with what you imagine oilurs to be has done. I’ll take an inflation adjusted answer. Just one? Be the hero and shut me up.
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Looks like you shut the Judge Keller scok up.
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But you know he’ll be back with the same disproven excuses at any given time, with one of many possible usernames.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 8:01 PM
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When they use the “getting in your head” argument, you know you’ve hit a nerve. Definitely projecting.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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The only thing that gets me”in my head” is a man-child AD giving his mentor $5 million a year solely because he can. It’s negligence.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 9:18 PM
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Actually a lot had to do with the fact that indiana came knocking. You are so embarrassing.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 26, 2025, 11:13 PM
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Indiana never came knocking. Now answer my very simple question.
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Indiana came knocking per our AD and a very large donor. What sources do have that we dont have?
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Your evidence is anecdotal. No one thinks Brad was a serious candidate at Indiana. You don’t even believe that. Name one coach who has done less with the same or more. Anywhere: it’s simple. Until you can you have no point.
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Everybody except for our AD, donors, abd insiders at indiana sites. Then we gave him a raise. All signs point to serious interest.
Of course you dont believe so because....derp brownell sucks.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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Even if I take that at face value (I don’t) Brad should appreacite the massive investment already made and if he truly wanted to retire as a Tiger structure a more incentive laden deal with a longer time commitment. But in the end, as always, Brad is about Brad.
I’m guessing you really believe those Tommy Bowden to Arkansas rumors too?
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May 27, 2025, 10:59 AM
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😂😂😂😂😂.
Jizztiz's stupidity never dissappoints.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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Indiana never came knocking. Now answer my very simple question.
Larry Williams from Tigerillistrated who is the best in the business in the area did report that Indiana did contact Coach Brownell early in the process.
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Everyone knows this, but jizztiz's little pea brain cant comprehend because he has brownell derangement syndrome.
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A period of time never extended to any other coach in Clemson basketball history is marginally better than any previous period of time of similar length by previous coaches not extended similar tenures or resources. Great observation. Let’s make him one of a dozen coaches paid $5 million a season. Check. Further let’s put him in the financial company of coaches who have won championships and made multiple Final Four appearances because that is what responsible people do with money. Check. Let’s place no further expectations on the program. Check. Mediocrity forever!!!! Check.
You remember that one time i misread hubert davis' salary details and said he was getting paid what he would be paid a few years down the road? You attempted (and failed) to roast me about it, and use that as evidence that i didn't know anything about basketball.
You just did the same thing you hypocrite. If this wasn't a common occurrence i might give you the benefit of the doubt.
Brownell salary tops out at 5 million in the 29-30 season. He is not getting paid 5 million now.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep? D
May 27, 2025, 12:00 AM
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I know full well what I’m doing. He received bigger bumps in salary, extension, and buyout for this season than he did after the Elite 8. And it has nothing to do with Indiana. It’s building in a cushion for a down year this year or next. There is no circumstance where he will be fired this year or next under the current contract. There are a dozen coaches making $5 million or more. Yes, he’s a few season removed from that being his base salary - but he has done nothing to merit compensation remotely in that company. I’ve long given up that he won’t be the coach here. But to be so wildly irresponsible in his compensation while maintaining this farse is outrageous. If you weren’t so invested in being “argues on TNet for Brad Brownell dude” you would admit it. How do I know? Because you can’t name one coach whose tenure is less defensible - not a single one.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep? D
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May 27, 2025, 12:56 AM
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I know exactly what you are doing. You are inflating his CURRENT salary to make it oook worse.
You knew what you were doing and you got caught. What a clown.
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
May 27, 2025, 7:54 AM
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A period of time never extended to any other coach in Clemson basketball history is marginally better than any previous period of time of similar length by previous coaches not extended similar tenures or resources. Great observation. Let’s make him one of a dozen coaches paid $5 million a season. Check. Further let’s put him in the financial company of coaches who have won championships and made multiple Final Four appearances because that is what responsible people do with money. Check. Let’s place no further expectations on the program. Check. Mediocrity forever!!!! Check.
I don't get all the hate toward the basketball program unless it is, again, for retaliation ,for the bad choices for posts from the Judge.
Hey, I get from number of years ago. I wanted him gone after the 2016-17 season. He then followed that with a sweet sixteen run. I was disappointed in the year after that and then the following year, and then another NCAAT and then a couple of years later two straight NCAATs including an Elite 8 and the program has been the best it has been in awhile including greater continued facility upgrades, coaching assistants, and NIL backing.
Seems like the basketball program gets more respect from outside the footprint of this site including nationally.
Wake Forest has a lot better history in basketball then Clemson and now under after year 5 of Steve Forbes he still can't get to the NCAAT. In fact, think they have been to one NCAAT in the last 13 years. Do you want to switch coaches with them now?
Everyone says that Coach Brownell still hasn't won a championship. Well, there are a lot of prorams in the power conferences who haven't done that in football and basketball. In fact you don't look at that as far as achievement national in the two by far top revenue sports. You look at post seasons overall success. Bowl games, at least some Bowl wins in football, and NCAATs and maybe a few runs. Notice I didn't say championships in either of those two sports. Yeah, the top programs or blue bloods they are like Clemson in Football and blue blood programs like Duke, Kansas, and UNC in Basketball they do expect that but not Clemson in basketball now.
As much as you might hate it If Graham Neff fired Coach Brownell today, he would be laughed at by local and national media and if is successor didn't produce winning in 3 or 4 years tops he would be fired. Just look at the recruiting going on now. The program is involved with many top 50-100 more than at any other time in basketball.
Give it a few more years and if things taper off then Coach Brownell can be forced into retirement and then start his new job with the athletic departmen
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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May 26, 2025, 7:40 PM
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The only coach at Clemson that has never won an ACC championship. Maybe ACC basketball will continue getting worse for him.
A black sheep asking about black sheep. How poetic
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Re: Does Brad feel like the black sheep?
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May 26, 2025, 7:56 PM
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IMO the basketball program of the 3 sports football, baseball and basketball, our basketball program has had the highest ladder to climb. The Tri City 3 Duke, NC and NC State. You may want to add Wake Forest. These programs were several years ahead of Clemson Basketball. I believe that Clemson is finally getting close to the Big 3.
Sometimes I wonder if there is anything Brad Brownell can accomplish at Clemson to get him off of some Clemson fans BS list ???
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May 26, 2025, 8:20 PM
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Never disappoints with its stupidity. Brownell is one of the best basketball coaches in the country. Support him or move along.
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May 26, 2025, 8:50 PM
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That’s not only not true but I’ll extend the challenge to you: name a single coach at a P5 equivalent to have ever had so much time or money invested with so little hardware. Just one in either category will suffice. Since he’s one of the best this should be easy.
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It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
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May 27, 2025, 9:15 AM
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Especially when it involves our most successful basketball coach in program history.
Bury the hate dude.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 27, 2025, 2:04 PM
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Put implied intent aside Judge Keller®.
Can you answer the question? Its seems at least reasonable to ask.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 27, 2025, 3:54 PM
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Put implied intent aside Judge Keller®. Can you answer the question? Its seems at least reasonable to ask.
Every program is different so comparing Clemson basketball to other schools is a fool’s errand. What we do know is we tried cycling through coaches but it did not work. The coach either failed and was fired or used us to get the first job out. We found a good coach and invested in the program which has paid dividends. We have seen as much or more success in the last few years as we have ever seen in our history. Recruiting is on the up swing and we have greatly improved our conference standing by finishing 3rd twice and 5th in the last three years. We are not Duke or Kentucky but that was never going to happen as we do not have their history or money.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
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May 27, 2025, 4:05 PM
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I will answer that question when one if you answers this question.
Name a coach that took over a team that had 0 conference championships, were bottom of their respective league in financial support, history, and facilities, and had minimal talent after year 1.
Again every situation is unique. He wouldn't be our coach if he didn't go to the sweet 16 in year 8.
The last 8 years have been by far the best in school history. It isn't close. If you want brownell fired after this, then you are an idiot.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
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May 27, 2025, 5:28 PM
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You go first  ">
With the question above there are 3 metrics. Time (15 seasons), money (combined salary, currently #2 in ACC) and hardware (0). It should be easy to answer
With your question, which is fair in return there is a bit of ambiguity that needs to be cleared up first. Can you quantify these and maybe we can answer it? And I mean verifiable information not Tnet lore
bottom of their respective league in
- financial support
- facilities
- minimal talent after year 1
I will have a follow-up question just to prime you, at what point is the starting point (year 1) just a crutch and no longer relevant?
I think its great to point to the last 8 years as the best ever, but that is being used as a deflection when folks ask when are we going to actually win something that comes with a trophy. That isnt being negative.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
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May 27, 2025, 5:45 PM
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You go first ">"> With the question above there are 3 metrics. Time (15 seasons), money (combined salary, currently #2 in ACC) and hardware (0). It should be easy to answer With your question, which is fair in return there is a bit of ambiguity that needs to be cleared up first. Can you quantify these and maybe we can answer it? And I mean verifiable information not Tnet lore bottom of their respective league in - financial support - facilities - minimal talent after year 1 I will have a follow-up question just to prime you, at what point is the starting point (year 1) just a crutch and no longer relevant? I think its great to point to the last 8 years as the best ever, but that is being used as a deflection when folks ask when are we going to actually win something that comes with a trophy. That isnt being negative.
Like coot football, our basketball team has never won anything significant but we have made progress. As Dabo says, a program needs to be consistent then elevate. Sorry you can’t see it
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 27, 2025, 5:53 PM
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Who says I can't see it. You are incorrectly assuming. I see the program we've made, I recognize this is the best 8 years in school history. I think thats great. I am hoping that wasnt the end goal just to have the best 8 years.
But you also have to be fair and ask when do we start seeing hardware come out of this. That is an extension of the HOF coach you just quoted.
And Viz's question at least from a trivia standpoint, is fair to ask.
At the risk of assuming myself, are you unable to answer the above question, dont care to even find out, or do you already know the answer begins with "no other coach..."
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 27, 2025, 6:36 PM
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Who says I can't see it. You are incorrectly assuming. I see the program we've made, I recognize this is the best 8 years in school history. I think thats great. I am hoping that wasnt the end goal just to have the best 8 years.
But you also have to be fair and ask when do we start seeing hardware come out of this. That is an extension of the HOF coach you just quoted.
And Viz's question at least from a trivia standpoint, is fair to ask.
At the risk of assuming myself, are you unable to answer the above question, dont care to even find out, or do you already know the answer begins with "no other coach..."
I have no clue to the answer to Viz’s question as it is irrelevant based what I have already stated. Why would any sane person waste time researching the answer to an irrelevant question from someone who has already made up his mind? If Viz wants someone to do his research, perhaps he should hire an assistant. I hear Row needs work so that is a possibility
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 28, 2025, 12:59 AM
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That you are fundamentally incurious and anti-intellectual is not a valid defense. I know the answer because I’ve done the work. The answer is none. In either metric. None. If I told you any other business you were investing in was receiving unprecedented negative returns you would consider that problematic. But you have convinced yourself that your anecdotal beliefs about Clemson history and Brad’s relative accomplishments are very different than they actually are.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 28, 2025, 12:51 AM
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Here’s the thing: all of this is deflection from the core underlying fact that he hasn’t earned what he is being paid. I’ve given up that I’ll ever see another coach. He will coach till he dies on the floor because we won’t stop giving him raises and extensions for nothing. NCtigs idea that he is now under pressure to perform doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. He got less for more last season. It makes no sense to believe his super post season flop this year led the AD to both give him more of everything AND silently demand more. If you want to demand more you shorten the contract or reduce the buyout. We gave him two years of risk free coaching. Even if Indiana were serious (they weren’t - and making an inquiry doesn’t mean they were @s
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
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May 28, 2025, 12:55 AM
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.. serious. It’s due deligence. But even if it were true. If Brad is everything that his supporters believe he should have shut that #### down. I am flogging a dead horse but the investment Clemson has made in Brad is completely unprecedented in the history of college basketball. If he can’t say “I’m good - just tack a year on the contract” one ####### time in 16 years then he isn’t what they claim. And our AD is an idiot. His contract should be 90% incentives at this point. Instead we’ve made him one of the highest paid in the sport while also giving him bonuses for NIT appearance and ACC tourney seeding. It should outrage people.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 28, 2025, 7:20 AM
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A big part of the raise waa due to indiana interest.
You can deny it all you want with no facts simply because you hate brownell, but you are simply wrong.
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Re: It must be exhausting going to such lengths to argue like you do.
May 28, 2025, 2:35 PM
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Explain why interest from Indiana, even if true, necessitates a raise. Why would we pay him above market value - and his new contract places him firmly in the company of coaches who have accomplished much more than him - regardless. That's an extraordinarily simple minded approach to contract negotiations. If Brad wanted to coach at Indiana and they were genuinely interested do you think they wouldn't have met our offer? Best case scenario, if we take your assertion seriously, Brad forced us to beat an offer from Indiana to stick around. That's a pretty ###### way to treat the school that has endowed him with multi-generational wealth while putting nothing in the trophy case. Even as Neff has to send out emails begging for everyone to pony up for NIL money. It's crap.
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe
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I notice they seem incapable of answering your questions and instead just turn to attack mode. Ideas are difficult for some. I envy your dedication. I’ve just decided they’re following the party line and won’t actually think about the topic at hand. I’m watching Chernobyl for the first time and notice the same thing. They’re approaching a continent size disaster and everyone keeps saying “everything is fine”. Except for a few brave people, the Lunatic Fringe (?), who keep saying “no it’s not”.
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Re: The Lunatic Fringe
May 27, 2025, 5:42 PM
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I notice they seem incapable of answering your questions and instead just turn to attack mode. Ideas are difficult for some. I envy your dedication. I’ve just decided they’re following the party line and won’t actually think about the topic at hand. I’m watching Chernobyl for the first time and notice the same thing. They’re approaching a continent size disaster and everyone keeps saying “everything is fine”. Except for a few brave people, the Lunatic Fringe (?), who keep saying “no it’s not”.
Weird wild stuff. Please pass the bong so we can all enjoy
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More like the fainting goat.
May 27, 2025, 6:41 PM
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Tends (exception being Elite 8) to freeze up when it gets real.
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Re: More like the fainting goat.
May 27, 2025, 6:45 PM
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We were injured so who knows. That was weak though.
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Re: More like the fainting goat.
May 27, 2025, 9:06 PM
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Tends (exception being Elite 8) to freeze up when it gets real.
Lol. Id!ot
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