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CU Guru [1595]
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South Carolina Defense
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Nov 25, 2024, 11:43 AM
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There’s alot of negative posts on here about how badly SCar will beat Clemson Saturday and how great their Defense is.
Their defensive line is bookended by two great DEs don’t get me wrong, but the Defense isn’t as “scary” as it’s being made out to be.
I’ll preface this with saying that regardless of what you may believe or feel, Clemson currently has the #6 best offense in the country.
South Carolina has faced just ONE offense that’s rated in the top 25 offensively. Ole Miss (#2) they lost that game, gave up 27 and really had no answer for them all game.
South Carolina has faced 3 offenses rated in the top 50 offensively. LSU (#29) Bama (#41) A&M (#44). Going 1-2 in those games, giving up: 36 L - LSU, 27 L - Bama, 20 W - A&M.
The rest of their wins are vs #61 Missouri, giving up 30 points in that game.
And wins against the #115,#116,#118 ranked offenses in Kentucky, Vandy & Oklahoma.
So yes, they do have some talent on their defense but acting like their defense isn’t capable of being scored on is ridiculous. They haven’t really been tested against anyone and when they have played an offense with somewhat of a pulse, they’ve had the ball moved on them with relative ease.
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Is their defense better than Louisville's or Pitt's?***
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Nov 25, 2024, 11:49 AM
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Head Coach [933]
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Re: Is their defense better than Louisville's or Pitt's?***
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Nov 25, 2024, 12:11 PM
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No.
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Re: Is their defense better than Louisville's or Pitt's?***
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Nov 26, 2024, 3:55 PM
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Without a doubt the best D we have faced since UGA. Anything else is PURE DELUSION.
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Clemson Icon [26523]
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Re: Is their defense better than Louisville's or Pitt's?***
Nov 27, 2024, 3:28 PM
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Coming from a coot.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 25, 2024, 12:15 PM
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Thanks for the post and I understand what you’re saying. USUCK can be beaten. They’re definitely not a perfect team. On offense or defense. I believe what concerns most is how does Clemson perform? It’s more about Clemson showing up ready to play and win. Clemson lost that game to Louisville because of Clemson. Bad execution, bad coaching. And they almost lost to Pitt because of bad execution and bad coaching. Thank God for Cade. Hopefully, the team shows up Saturday, knowing this is their last chance to save the season and ready to protect their home field versus the dirt peckers. They need to come out and punch the coots in the mouth and keep them down.
All the coot fans I know think they already have this game won. I hope the chickens come in with that mentality too. Full of themselves and Dabo has the team coached up and gives them a beat down.
Go Tigers
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 25, 2024, 12:53 PM
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I totally agree. I believe we have the Jimmys and the Joes to beat most teams and pound USuCk. I would like to see us being the aggressor on both offense and defense using creative play calling and using our speed to cover gaps and attack the ball carrier (or receiver). On offense, we either look fantastic or somewhat jittery/afraid to make a mistake, and on defense, we look too vanilla and predictable, too easily to run on. We don't need to be the crazy movement pre and post snap that Venables had us doing, but I'm still waiting to see Weslichick emerge! I love our players and our culture, and I hope to see our coaches empower our kids to play fast and disciplined so they can just react and beat the crap out of the Shamecocks!!!
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Punch them in the mouth? With what?
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Nov 27, 2024, 2:24 PM
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Bubble screens? 2 yard runs in the A gaps on 2nd and 10? Flanker e d around options that we have away by running one against El Cid?
We have to be better than that if we really want to win.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 25, 2024, 12:47 PM
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There’s alot of negative posts on here about how badly SCar will beat Clemson Saturday and how great their Defense is.
Their defensive line is bookended by two great DEs don’t get me wrong, but the Defense isn’t as “scary” as it’s being made out to be.
I’ll preface this with saying that regardless of what you may believe or feel, Clemson currently has the #6 best offense in the country.
South Carolina has faced just ONE offense that’s rated in the top 25 offensively. Ole Miss (#2) they lost that game, gave up 27 and really had no answer for them all game.
South Carolina has faced 3 offenses rated in the top 50 offensively. LSU (#29) Bama (#41) A&M (#44). Going 1-2 in those games, giving up: 36 L - LSU, 27 L - Bama, 20 W - A&M.
The rest of their wins are vs #61 Missouri, giving up 30 points in that game.
And wins against the #115,#116,#118 ranked offenses in Kentucky, Vandy & Oklahoma.
So yes, they do have some talent on their defense but acting like their defense isn’t capable of being scored on is ridiculous. They haven’t really been tested against anyone and when they have played an offense with somewhat of a pulse, they’ve had the ball moved on them with relative ease.
I agree with you!
I also agree with others; "it all depends on what version of Clemson shows up. I do not give SCAR as much credit either based on what their opponents did in games versus other opponents. I.E. they have played some bad offenses and yes, they should have looked good. That said, I do believe they are talented and well coached. I just don't think they are what people are making them out to be based off the fact many of their opponents struggled against everybody else"!
Sorry, facts. https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/team
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The S.E.C. Pass is why
Nov 25, 2024, 12:52 PM
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People think if they did "X in the SEC or if they stopped Y in the SEC that means more"! LOL!
So, they get graded on a bit of a curve, based on the patch on their jersey. We have heard it many times before; only for it to be proven faulty logic.
Remember folks talking about how Alabama rolled through SEC defenses - so "nobody else in college football is equipped to even come close to them"! LOL!
I remember that same logic in 2014 when Cordalle Jones just roasted Bama(3rd string OSU QB) destroyed the SEC best defense.
I mean, it's silly to think like that in the 1st place. But, how many more times does it have to get proven wrong for some people?
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 25, 2024, 12:50 PM
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Their defense is among the best we’ve faced. If not best then 2nd or 3rd. On the flip side our offense is the best they’ve faced. Hope our d really comes to play. Scariest unit on the field for me (beside special teams. I assume we’ve just surrendered ever being good at that).
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 26, 2024, 11:27 AM
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We have the secondary I’m just worried about our gap discipline on the line
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Orange Phenom [14616]
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I don't know what metric you are using for those offensive numbers
Nov 25, 2024, 12:54 PM
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but they seem questionable at best.
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Re: I don't know what metric you are using for those offensive numbers
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Nov 25, 2024, 1:11 PM
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All these points are valid but isn’t it also true for our ““top rated offense”?
We have feasted on poor competition with poor defenses but against top 50ish defenses we are 2-2 on the year ( w’s against VT and Pitt and L’s vs UGA and Louisville) and our offensive didn’t light it up in any of those games.
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Re: I don't know what metric you are using for those offensive numbers
Nov 26, 2024, 11:30 AM
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I see your point but against the bottom tier defenses we threw up 40+points against 5 or 6 of the and threw up 400+ yards against 6 or 7 of the 9 teams we beat.
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Orange Phenom [14616]
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Yeah
Nov 25, 2024, 1:15 PM
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Total offense is a pretty bad indicator of offensive success. It's about the most bare bones and simplest thing out there, but it doesn't account for anything else. The quality of the defenses faced is not factored in, garbage time is not filtered out, it's not adjusted for tempo, etc. Those limitations can make it very misleading.
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Orange Blooded [2528]
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Re: Yeah
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Nov 25, 2024, 1:40 PM
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The key is for our offense staying on the field and wearing their defense down.
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I'm not scared of them. I am scared of us. A well-functioning Clemson squad
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Nov 25, 2024, 1:42 PM
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beats a squad of coots. That's the way it is.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
Nov 25, 2024, 1:42 PM
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They have a high NFL draft safety as well. I saw him in some mock drafts in the first round and second round. I forget his name. I haven't watched the coots play this year.
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The book on SC defense is same every year- run right at them
Nov 25, 2024, 1:44 PM
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Not wide but straight ahead. Now, that book only works if you have decent OL & RB. Do we have that? We shall see
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Doesn't work as well this year
Nov 26, 2024, 3:29 PM
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We still suck in the secondary, but you have to be able to protect from our pass rush long enough for the QB to make the throw.
But if the QB makes a decent throw we are helpless to stop it.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 25, 2024, 1:50 PM
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Go by what your eyes tell you.
I watched our offense put up numbers on some of the worst defenses in the country. Once our competition increased our offense went back to looking like it has the last 3 years. Against Louisville, VT and Pitt CU looked average at best. Then on top of that our Defense isnt the vantage D.
Stop with the rankings. Go watch their DLine play. It’s legit. It’s as legit as our was during our run. Just set the orange glasses down for a second. A win isn’t impossible, but we will have to play the best we have played all season because outside of UGA this is the best team we will have played.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
Nov 26, 2024, 11:36 AM
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Play who old dominion no Akron no lsu no Oklahoma because they didn’t preform well against bama and didn’t play well until ole pi$$es backups were in
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 26, 2024, 12:25 PM
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Ole Miss is the only team they got beat soundly by. Easily could have beaten Bama and LSU. Should have beaten LSU had it not been for sellers getting hurt.
Regardless all I keep seeing is “they ain’t played nobody Paul” all the while we have had a sad schedule and got our &@&$ pushed in by an average Louisville team. Go name one impressive win. I’ll wait.
I don’t just look the teams we or they play and go by what I see on the field. I see an elite DLine and a very good overall defense. I don’t care who they’ve played. I watch our D and say we are average at best. Our O is average at best. Their O has their issues but I expect them to lean heavily on the run. Which is what Louisville did.
Bunch of Role ride Willie type fans on here.
If we win it’s because we played our best game of the year and the coots made mistakes. Very possible with it being in the Vally. But based on Xs and Os I predict the coots to win.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 26, 2024, 10:17 AM
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I think on defense it is important to get to Sanders and Sellers before they build up a head of steam, kind of like the formula stopping those big 240-250 lb. running backs Alabama used to have (i.e. Derrick Henry). That may mean some run blitzes and making some tackles for loss ..... something we used to be in the top five in the nation in about every year. We can't afford to sit back and let them hit a hole as they both have enough speed and shiftiness to break and avoid tackles once they get going. Sellers scares me much more with his running than with his arm, although it is good enough to create some big plays.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
Nov 26, 2024, 11:25 AM
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Finally someone that understands
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Personnel-wise
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Nov 26, 2024, 12:09 PM
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The first group at DE are pretty equal. SC may get the edge w Kennard over Lawson.
Slight edge: SC
Their DTs are solid… with Woods, we have a star. Edge to Clemson.
Depth on the line across all four spots? Big edge to Clemson.
At LB, Clemson is more talented. Period. Edge to Clemson.
At CB, Clemson has Terrell and an emergent Hampton with Lukas. SCs guys are solid but mostly reliant on pass rush to protect them. Edge to Clemson.
Safety is where Coots have the biggest edge with a potential 1st round pick patrolling the secondary. Kid can play. Clemson had a healthy Mickens - who just makes plays - and not much else that’s stood out. Barnes has been erratic but can always show up but… SC has the bona code star. Edge to Chickens.
Overall… Edge to Tigers based mostly on talent at DB and LB and depth up front.
You want to beat this SC defense? Go tempo early and pressure them sideline to sideline. Expose their lack of depth and get their front four tired out. Go FULL Chad Morris. Foot on the gas and run 100 plays and let fatigue expose them. We can do that… but Riley needs to stop trying to pick a play he can use against what they show and impose his will.
Go tempo early and run them to death.
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Personnel-wise
Nov 26, 2024, 12:09 PM
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The first group at DE are pretty equal. SC may get the edge w Kennard over Lawson.
Slight edge: SC
Their DTs are solid… with Woods, we have a star. Edge to Clemson.
Depth on the line across all four spots? Big edge to Clemson.
At LB, Clemson is more talented. Period. Edge to Clemson.
At CB, Clemson has Terrell and an emergent Hampton with Lukas. SCs guys are solid but mostly reliant on pass rush to protect them. Edge to Clemson.
Safety is where Coots have the biggest edge with a potential 1st round pick patrolling the secondary. Kid can play. Clemson had a healthy Mickens - who just makes plays - and not much else that’s stood out. Barnes has been erratic but can always show up but… SC has the bona code star. Edge to Chickens.
Overall… Edge to Tigers based mostly on talent at DB and LB and depth up front.
You want to beat this SC defense? Go tempo early and pressure them sideline to sideline. Expose their lack of depth and get their front four tired out. Go FULL Chad Morris. Foot on the gas and run 100 plays and let fatigue expose them. We can do that… but Riley needs to stop trying to pick a play he can use against what they show and impose his will.
Go tempo early and run them to death.
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Re: Personnel-wise
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Nov 26, 2024, 4:03 PM
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Delusions. They are a lot better than us on D right now.
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Re: South Carolina Defense
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Nov 26, 2024, 4:19 PM
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Why would any loyal tiger fan day in advance Clemson id going to lose. I will never understand that.
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