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Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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colleges can pay football players directly. Something like 2.7 billion in back pay for the last 10 years and up to 20 million per year per team via revenue sharing for players going forward. College football officially no longer college football. Handwriting has been on the wall for some time I guess.
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Sorry I didn't link any of the articles. Demotivated by disgust perhaps.***
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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It's time to stop pretending with the "student/athlete" amateur college sports thing. This is minor league system for NFL.
Attending class/education should be optional.
Each athlete will sign an employment contract.
They will unionize (NFLPA style)
It may be that the power 5 conferences go this route and other NCAA teams maintain the student athlete model.
It appears that the revenue sharing will be separate from NIL money for the employed players.
I'm "all out" on this model and will keep my IPTAY dollars in my pocket
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College sports have been the (unpaid) minor leagues for decades.
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Now that the athletes can get something closer to fair compensation, people are butthurt?
So, you're going to donate to IPTAY as long as the stores don't get compensated fairly and stop as soon as that longstanding wrong is righted?
That's pretty sad.
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Where would most of these athletes be without
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The evil money hungry corporation?
How many could actually get into the schools they are in if they were not abusing the academic system?
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Yep. Lets not act like they havent benefitted.***
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Re: Yep. Lets not act like they have gotten fair market value.******
May 25, 2024, 3:00 PM
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Re: Yep. Lets not act like they have gotten fair market value.******
May 25, 2024, 8:49 PM
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You believe they have you are crazy.
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Exploited?? ESPECIALLY now
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May 25, 2024, 2:12 PM
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Holy crap!!! What can YOU do that would get you a FREE college education with average/mediocre grades coming out of high school?? PLUS all of the extra benefits to get you to your athletic potential IF you happen to. be one of the very, very few to even be CONSIDERED for playing at the next level?? And is anyone forcing these kids to play college football?? EXPLOITED???????!!!???
If you really believe that you are an idiot. Sorry to say but it’s true. Get a clue man!!!
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Re: Exploited?? ESPECIALLY now
May 25, 2024, 3:07 PM
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The scholly benefits are a drop in the bucket of the money the athletes bring to the schools - especially the football players.
The athletes take all of the risk and do the vast majority of the work.
The NCAA rules preventing them from getting paid for NIL were illegal. The NCAA rules preventing them from unrestricted transfers were illegal.
Doing that to make money from other people's labor without fair compensation is classic exploitation.
It's long past time for those wrongs to be righted. Fortunately, the courts are doing just that.
"Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate."
SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion
NCAA vs Alston
The NCAA lost that one 9-0 in a court that is so ideologically divided that they can't agree on where to go for lunch. That tells us how utterly wrong the NCAA was.
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Re: Exploited?? ESPECIALLY now
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That hasn't always been true. For the vast majority of years, it wasn't big business.
I don't really care your argument, these kids have always been revered and paid light years more than students getting in debt going to school.
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There's this thing called discernment. You should try it.
May 27, 2024, 11:15 AM
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My comments were specifically about the decades of exploitation. You tried to confuse that with now.
That's bogus.
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Re: Exploited?? ESPECIALLY now
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May 25, 2024, 8:03 PM
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The problem is that all of those millions made enable the athletes to be cared for like kings and queens. Full chef service, round the click medical care, free merchandise, all expenses paid to tournament in beautiful places, and at Clemson an educational experience that cost most kids 125,000 dollars! So prepare for cuts to some of these services. I'm good with it. Pay them, but now next phase is the star QB throws more picks than TDS in a 5 game span and he gets a pink slip. Legally these institutions have that right.
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Re: Exploited?? ESPECIALLY now
May 25, 2024, 8:50 PM
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Those are benefits not pay. There is a difference.
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You're the one with no clue.
May 27, 2024, 10:38 AM
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The NCAA indeed exploited the athletes for decades. They made millions of dollars on the athletes' risk and labor while investigating them for accepting a free cheeseburger.
The entire NCAA sports model is illegal.
The House case settlement proves it.
The NCAA knows that if that case went to a jury, they stood to lose an estimated $20 billion or more. 2 or 3 billion is a problem for them. $20 billion is "cease to exist" money.
I'll take the Supreme Court and other court rulings that confirm that the athletes were indeed exploited for money by the NCAA, for decades.
It's long past time e to stop denying those facts.
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You based that post in a logical fallacy...
May 27, 2024, 11:12 AM
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Then I'm supposedly the idiot???
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That's a false equivalence. What I can or can't do isn't the issue here. It's about the NCAA exploiting the athletes, which they clearly have. The settlement for more than $2 billion in the House case proves it.
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You misspelled "exploiting the athletes".
May 25, 2024, 5:24 PM
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The universities, the conference and the NCAA did that for decades.
The athletes aren't the bad guys here.
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I worked for tobacco farmers when in high school.
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three summers... even into the start of school. Made $15 dollars a day. Usually started around 6am and went until barns were loaded/unloaded at end of day - around 10PM. $15 dollars a day - 6 days per week.
This, even then, was more work and less pay than college athletes were compensated with scholarships, room and board, and their friendly handshakes that happened more often than not. The tobacco industry sure made their billions - where's my share?
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False Equivalence.
May 25, 2024, 3:09 PM
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Neither ESPN or any other TV network paid your employer millions of dollars to telecast your work.
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Re: College sports have been the (unpaid) minor leagues for decades.
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Benefits not pay. They are not the same no matter how you want to look at it.
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Re: College sports have been the (unpaid) minor leagues for decades.
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Fair compensation?
250k education/diploma and a graduate degree if you work it right.
Tutor in any subject you need help with.
Live in the Taj Mahal with as much gourmet food as desired.
5 star training equipment and free medical care
Travel the country like a rock star
Pell Grants that don't require repayment.
Access to micro-internships with google or apple or whoever you want.
Doors that are opened for you that no other college student has access to.
There are many other benefits and I don't know how to value all of them objectively, but let's not pretend the college athlete hasn't been compensated. you can argue about what fairly means though.
Also, if we "fairly compensate" the college football player with tv revenue sharing, that amount would be subtracted from the athletic dept budget. So, what happens to all of the other sports. I don't think they could be compensated too and they may even need to be shut down because they are currently being funded by the football program?
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Every federal court that has ruled on any related case
May 25, 2024, 3:11 PM
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...disagrees.
You aren't qualified to decide what is "enough" for anyone else.
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Re: College sports have been the (unpaid) minor leagues for decades.
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I’ll make you sad as well. If it goes pro (and it has) and unionizes I won’t be giving to iptay either after 44 years. If everyone involved is only after $ for themselves I’ll participate that way as well. If I’m still interested I’ll buy tickets on stubhub etc. and watch on TV if the fish aren’t biting. I won’t be nearly as disturbed as you when a bunch of kids go on strike the week of the scar game.
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Re: College sports have been the (unpaid) minor leagues for decades.
May 25, 2024, 8:54 PM
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You mean adults not kids.
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It's 2024. Ever heard of online classes?
May 25, 2024, 5:29 PM
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Ever heard of Zoom?
You are also ignoring that college athletes graduate at around a 92% rate while non athlete students only graduate at axrate if 62%.
Maybe those deadbeat non athletes should vacate campus to make room for more athletes...using your logic.
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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Awesome so we'll owe more money, why are people happy about this? Smdh
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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Capitalism sucks when it comes to cfb i suppose
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FTFY: Capitalism sucks when the wrong people benefit from it.***
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Capitalism sucks and ceases to be capitalism when it is mandated***
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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Certainly this won’t have any unforeseen consequences and it won’t blow up in the faces of everyone involved.
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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I would think this would absolutely encourage everyone to double their IPTAY dollars. For years , IPTAY has been the only reason little Bobby or Deontae has not starved to death or walked around campus wearing torn up shoes in the winter while being used and forced to play college football while also having to go to school. Now IPTAY can sign the current years RB to a 700k year contract so they can hopefully have that winter home in Hilton Head like the rest of us
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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WSJ:
NCAA Agrees to Share Revenue With Athletes in $2.8 Billion Settlement
Breaking with more than a century of policy, the NCAA will pay billions in damages to former athletes and allow schools to pay athletes up to $20 million a year.
And I'm out...I've never had interest in professional sports.
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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Well, no more scholarship offers. Camping at schools will be tryouts. Players will have to hire agents. No more having to maintain a grade point average and if a player decides to attempt to get an education they will have to pay the cost. Any transfers will be free agents. The IRS will have a ball with this. I have enjoyed the last 50+ years of watching college football. Going forward will be a wait and see. May be time to start watching reruns.
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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The networks think they have the fans no matter what they do.
When they lose the fans it will all unravel.
Interested to see what Dabo does with this, or if he just sails off into the sunset. Hard to blame him.
College athletics used to be a proper institution for student athletes.
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so much for title IX i guess. There's no way to police that anymore.
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The have's will have and the not's won't. This is why texas and oklahoma got their deals done with the SEC. Higher revenues tv revenue's will solidify who and who doesn't prosper.
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Put a QR Code on the Dabo-Tron after every TD and Forced TO
May 24, 2024, 8:17 AM
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$2 tradition ... from 80,000 fans
maybe $10-$15 per game.
that's $800K-$1.2M per game for the top players
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And teamwork goes out the window
May 24, 2024, 9:17 AM
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… instead of pitching the ball for someone to get into the end zone easily, a player with a 40% chance of making it might try to take it into the end zone himself so he can make more $$$
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Re: And teamwork goes out the window
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That’s a stretch and you know it
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So it has now become NFL minor leagues but with equivalent pay for some.***
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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The stupid part in all of this is that the NCAA limits the number of scholarships a team can give out.
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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On the surface, I don’t have a problem with players getting played. There are two issues though.
Larger schools with larger fan bases and larger TV contracts ( SEC and Big Ten ), Will have more money to pay players, and they will get all the best players.
The other problem is the excess profits generated in football help pay for all the athletic programs, specifically women’s programs. Going forward that access revenue will be paid to the players and there will not be any money left for the other sports programs so many of the other sports programs will have to be eliminated.
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Says who, last I checked players will still dawn the paw and play in memorial stadium. Therefore college football is still alive and kicking. Matter of fact is more popular than ever.
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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This is not going to end well for the athletes. The people that have funded booster programs and purchased season tickets did so for the love of their school and the college experience. This entire fiasco has turned into professional sports light. Mark my words, the money will dry up. The athletes are not realizing that they are biting the hand that has been feeding them.
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Re: Sounds like it is official. Several media outlets reporting it's been agreed
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If this plays out like we fear- I'll be shocked if Dabo hangs around. This will not be his cup of tea.
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The NCAA should give itself the 'Death Penalty'
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Useless organization.
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They basically have done that.
May 27, 2024, 11:20 AM
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Their sports model has been ruled illegal by federal courts.
They have been enjoined from enforcing their rules that screwed the athletes for decades in several federal cases.
They are losing every case fined about NIL, recruiting, transfers, and now athlete employment.
The settlements in the House and Carter cases alone were desperate attempts to avoid bankruptcy from even larger jury awards.
The NCAA is committing slow, painful organizational suicide. No tears from me .
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20mil per annual player roster sounds about right for a Top 20 team
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My number was $25M/year for a Top 10 team, $30-35M per year for a Top 5 team that will have a shot at the national championship.
In football, you’re not going to get the Florida-Gulf-Coast-University-2-players-get-hot-on-a-run-to-the-Final-Four occurrence.
Duke’s BOT will have to deal with the fallout of the scenario that their $20M roster just got tossed from the NCAA Tournament by a team with a $2M roster.
For me, player unionization cannot happen fast enough. I will be LMAO when it happens.
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For those that FREAK over the fair-pay for their athletic services
May 27, 2024, 12:45 PM
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Consider MEDICAL STUDENTS and MEDICAL RESIDENTS.
Medical students spend their last 2 years performing increasingly more attending-physician duties for NO PAY, in exchange for TRAINING.
The medical student, unless on scholarship, continues to rack up enormous student loan debt.
The medical resident will earn somewhere between $60K to $75K per year for a 60-70 hour work week for the next 3 to 6 years! Essentially, in exchange, again, for TRAINING to be a full board certified doctor. This is effectively MINIMUM WAGE for a person whose MARKET VALUE is really MUCH HIGHER based on their knowledge, responsibilities, and time performing their duties.
I’m quite certain that for those on this board that clamor about student athletes not getting their “fair market value” will DISREGARD the “unfair” compensation of a medical student or medical resident and come up with some LAME EXCUSE about the non-equivalency of the student athlete and the medical student.
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That's a false dilemma, based on a false premise.
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The false premise is that anyone is freaking out about fair compensation station. The freak outs are coming from the Chicken Littles who claim that the sky is falling, and who think they have the right to try to limit other people's compensation.
The false dilemma is in comparing two very dissimilar careers - medicine and sports.
And...there's a big push for fair compe station for medical interns, and residents, too.
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