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Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 9:18 PM
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Specifically regarding Myles Murphy.
If you are a teenager or SCu troll, I get the criticism. For the rest, how many of you would risk injury and forfeiture of a guaranteed $10 million dollars plus for your 36th game at Clemson in a non-playoff game? For parents, how many would instruct their engineering, nursing, or business students to risk that type of life changing money if available? You would not if you're sane.
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You know what’s selfish?
Dec 13, 2022, 9:22 PM
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Leaving your teammates high and dry
They have insurance policies for this
If you are afraid of getting hurt, go play soccer or golf
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Re: You know what’s selfish?
Dec 13, 2022, 9:25 PM
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You think those insurance policies are equivalent to an entire career? You and all the other “fans” downing him are the true selfish individuals.
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You guys are a joke…
Dec 13, 2022, 9:37 PM
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The guy is quitting on his teammates. He is putting his NFL career above the teammates that had his back and played backup to him. That’s being selfish, right?
Just calling it like I see it. Not sure how that makes me selfish, but whatever…
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Have you ever changed jobs?
Dec 14, 2022, 8:11 AM
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Wasn't that selfish of you to leave the people who depended on you to get your work done, so that you could get something better? He made a decision that he felt was best for him and his family. It's time to move on, next man up.
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apples and oranges analogy****
Dec 17, 2022, 2:37 AM
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Re: You guys are a joke…
Dec 14, 2022, 9:31 AM
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You are an idiot.
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Re: You guys are a joke…
Dec 14, 2022, 9:55 AM
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No reason for name calling (from the original poster) or you because you disagree with someone. I would like to hear what Dabo really thinks about it.
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Why don’t you articulate your position rather than name calling?
Dec 14, 2022, 11:08 AM
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I say he’s selfish because he’s putting his big NFL payday above his team and teammates.
Brian Bresee is probably going to be drafted close to Myles Murphy. He is going to play in the game because he doesn’t want to abandon his teammates and put his own self interests over the team. I say Brian Bresee isn’t selfish.
That’s ok, this world has plenty of rich selfish people. I’ll call out the exceptional and uncommon - Brian Bresee is going to be rich and selfless.
See the difference, or do you want to call me an idiot again?
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Re: You guys are a joke…
Dec 14, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Are all of y'all saying that if someone offered you $10 million to leave your company (and your colleagues) today that you would say no thanks - to be able to work with them for another month ??
Cause that's what you're asking this kid to do - to play one more rather meaningless game.
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His teammate is doing that, is he stupid or principled?***
Dec 14, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Re: His teammate is doing that, is he stupid or principled?***
Dec 14, 2022, 1:43 PM
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Champ,
First, I noticed that you didn't answer the question.
Second, is there no other options in your B & W world - just sell-out and principled ?
Third, each person gets to make their own decisions about their future. It's called individual freedom and its a pretty big deal here in the states.
Finally, I think this kid has given plenty to this team and this university. I thank him and wish him well.
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First of all, no one has offered him $10M to leave the team now
Dec 15, 2022, 7:03 AM
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And if I were in his position, and if I were blessed with his talent…. YES I’d go crush it in the Orange Bowl.
And yeah he is absolutely free to make his decision, but that doesn’t absolve him from being selfish or wrong.
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Re: First of all, no one has offered him $10M to leave the team now
Dec 15, 2022, 11:10 AM
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Again, you still haven't answered the original question. I wonder if you would hold to your "principles" if $10 million was on the line. It is easy to judge from the cheap seats.
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I did answer the question
Dec 17, 2022, 7:04 AM
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I’d do exactly what Brian Bresee is doing with $10M on the line. I would play.
And no, it’s not hard for me to answer it from the “cheap seats”
And I’ll tell you something else. If you think Myles Murphy has a hard decision think about those in the military that go on another combat deployment to risk their life so that you might have the freedom to make whatever decisions you want. That’s what having principles means and that’s what selflessness means and that’s what having the back of your fellow teammates means.
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Re: You guys are a joke…
Dec 17, 2022, 7:37 AM
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He is quitting on his teammates and coaches. He didn’t really do anything spectacular this year either. He will probably be a bust in the NFL, so let him go. Next man up!
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Dabo thought he should finish with his teammates as well.
Dec 14, 2022, 7:53 AM
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I get that.
And yes, those insurance policies can be enough money for life.
This is a huge game.
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Re: Dabo thought he should finish with his teammates as well.
Dec 14, 2022, 8:55 AM
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It's estimated that Jaylon Smith lost somewhere between $15 and $20 million due to his injury that took him from a likely top 5 draft pick to a 2nd round draft pick. His insurance policy paid him $700,000. Sure, $700k is a lot of money but it's a laughable amount of money compared to what he lost.
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Re: Dabo thought he should finish with his teammates as well.
Dec 14, 2022, 9:46 AM
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If Dabo played Cade against SC and we won that game, Murphy might have finished with his teammates.
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Re: Dabo thought he should finish with his teammates as well.
Dec 14, 2022, 10:54 AM
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Yea. That’s probably what drove the decision. SMH.
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I'm not seeing that, Lloyd.
Dec 14, 2022, 11:27 AM
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A risk is a risk is a risk, and this is a huge game. NY6 bowl game.. how many of those have we made in Clemson history?
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You don't know any of that, and why would he have played Cade anyway?
Dec 14, 2022, 11:26 AM
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DJ carried us and won all but one game he finished.
Cade was developing and maturing as the season progressed. DJ was winning the USuC game until 10 minutes left, and at that point it was his game to go win. Unfortunately he didn't get it done, but hindsight coaching is never relevant.
I guess some of you guys are going to stew over this for the rest of your lives?
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Edit: didn't initially see the insurance deal, but
Dec 14, 2022, 11:29 AM
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$700k seems awfully low for a guy who was projected at $10-15 million.
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Re: Dabo thought he should finish with his teammates as well.
Dec 14, 2022, 11:02 AM
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It will be bigger if we lose it than if we win it. So I guess that makes it pretty big.
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If playoffs are a 10, then this is a 9.
Dec 14, 2022, 11:33 AM
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When did we get so spoiled as to think an Orange Bowl doesn't mean anything? That's not what you're saying, is it? I mean I could potentially see skipping a pissant bowl, but this is one of the most prestigious bowls in history. We're 7th playing the 6th team.. it's a huge game for the program. If we were to lose, I bet you'll be mighty ticked off about it.
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Re: If playoffs are a 10, then this is a 9.
Dec 14, 2022, 1:55 PM
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I don't think the Orange Bowl is meaningless, but let's be real. Since the beginning of the CFP, the other bowls have slid down the meaningful scale - and they slide a little further each year. When the NCAA goes to a 12 team format (especially with first round games played at home), these other bowls will take a further tumble.
As far as its importance to our program is concerned, I think it is being a bit overblown. I would love (and expect) us to beat Tenn. But if Cade shows he can really run our offense, and the defense doesn't get totally embarrassed, I don't think losing to the # 6 team in the country will damage us that much. Our 2023 class is set and how we do in 2023 will have a far greater impact on whether we are back on the upswing or not.
So the Orange is not as meaningful as it once was and if Myles wants to skip it and move on to the next phase of his life, I think he has more than earned the right to do that. I say thanks and wish him well.
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A 7? So playoffs are 10, and the next highest top 10 match up is a 7?
Dec 14, 2022, 2:02 PM
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Get outta here.
If you can't see how huge this game is for our program, that you're not looking at it correctly. As far as importance to our program, this is easily a 9, especially in light of the last couple years and momentum.
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Re: A 7? So playoffs are 10, and the next highest top 10 match up is a 7?
Dec 15, 2022, 11:13 AM
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As far as its importance to our program is concerned, I think it is being a bit overblown. I would love (and expect) us to beat Tenn. But if Cade shows he can really run our offense, and the defense doesn't get totally embarrassed, I don't think losing to the # 6 team in the country will damage us that much. Our 2023 class is set and how we do in 2023 will have a far greater impact on whether we are back on the upswing or not.
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Re: You know what’s selfish?
Dec 15, 2022, 12:06 PM
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He could probably get a one game policy fairly cheap. So he would either get his $10M form the draft or from the insurance policy (minus the premium). There is no good reason not to play except that its considered cool.
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OP - I'm with you.
Dec 13, 2022, 9:29 PM
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Anyone disrespecting someone from making a business decision for a FN game need to have their brain examined.
Team loyalty is one thing, but not the only thing. I'm sure this guy's dream is to play in the NFL and to be so close and not make it due to injury in the 'Orange Bowl' would haunt him for the rest of his life. I remember a tight end for Michigan about ten years ago torn up his knee in a game outside the BCS. He never recovered and he was the top TE in the country. I believe his last name was Butte.
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Exactly
Dec 14, 2022, 12:06 AM
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Add Jaylon Smith to that list. Does anyone think a day goes by that this young man doesn't wish he skipped that Fiesta bowl game? I don't, that young man has never been the same. Sure, he still got drafted high (2nd round) but anyone looking at him can see he's not the same guy, and sadly never will be. That's what some of these guys who take it like its personal don't understand. If the player chooses to come back that's awesome, but no player should ever catch flak for making a decision about the potential earning across the rest of their life.
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Re: Exactly
Dec 14, 2022, 9:56 AM
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Curious ...... has anyone ever asked Jaylon about his decision to play and whether he would make the same decision again?
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For the love of Pete, how is it some dudes don't understand that
Dec 14, 2022, 11:40 AM
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citing one example of literally 10's of thousands through history does not prove a point.
Look, I'm pretty much indifferent, but I can guarantee Dabo would tell you he wanted Myles to play for his teammates as well. And like Dabo, I'm not mad at the kid for making the decision he has. It's okay to have mixed feelings on it - doesn't need to be precisely one way or the other, and citing one player doesn't move the needle AT ALL. That was a huge anomaly. If it's that much of a risk, a player needs to shut it down sooner than his last game. There all risks!
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Your Team Helped Get You This Far, Now You Got Yours and You
Dec 14, 2022, 7:49 AM
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Bail. That is the very definition of selfish.
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You sound like a Socialist
Dec 14, 2022, 9:49 AM
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It is funny that someone with your silly avatar would argue against an individual's right to make a free market decision that is in the best interest of himself.
You would prefer a more socialist approach of him sticking around for the collective good, even though it is not really in his individual interest.
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Re: You know what’s selfish?
Dec 13, 2022, 9:49 PM
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What a joke you are champions. Have you ever seen a football break his neck in a game? I haven't, but I have in a soccer game. My guess is you never played any sport after U8 Rec League baseball.
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Did the soccer player break his neck while flopping?
Dec 13, 2022, 11:49 PM
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Because I could totally see that happening…
Get outta here!
And yes I have seen a number of football players break their necks unfortunately. But hey, that weakens my argument…
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Re: You know what’s selfish?
Dec 14, 2022, 8:58 AM
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You don't remember Mike Williams breaking his neck?
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He had a small fracture in his neck, came back the next year, and
Dec 14, 2022, 11:47 AM
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now he making millions of dollars per year.
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Re: You know what’s selfish?
Dec 14, 2022, 8:45 AM
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It's technically true, the majority of all major injuries are non-contact and/or in practice. He could just as easily get injured at the combine. But, once this "Opt out" things started, it just became a run away train. That's usually all it takes....one!
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Insurance, hah!
Dec 14, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Those policies don't even begin to cover the potential losses of a 1st round pick getting a serious, career-threatening injury.
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JaMarcus Russell had a $20 million policy and Leonard Fournette had a $10 million
Dec 14, 2022, 12:47 PM
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policy.
That was years ago.
Myles probably has at least a $10 million policy.
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Leonard's current annual salary is over $7 million a year,
Dec 15, 2022, 12:26 AM
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his rookie deal was worth over $27 million, $19 million guaranteed...His policy would have paid a fraction of that and he would have had to walk away from football to see a penny of it
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Re: Leonard's current annual salary is over $7 million a year,
Dec 15, 2022, 12:18 PM
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I see what you mean. There is maybe a 1/100,000 chance that he would get a career ending injury and walk away with only a few million dollars from insurance and probably lifetime employment at Clemson or with companies owned by Clemson boosters. He would have to deal with being legendary. ####.
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Re: You know what’s selfish?
Dec 14, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Quit whining... its not playoff game and the rules are the rules. No one is gifted a spot in the NFL, they have to get ready for the combine and getting hurt is a real risk. Unless your faced with that decision you really don't know sh*t, there are no insurance policies that cover an entire NFL career..
It diminishes the game, but it is what it is. Bowls are going to have to figure that out and players will make decisions based on what is best for their personal situation.
Murphy is a class act.
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Lol, You don’t think there are injuries in soccer?
Dec 14, 2022, 11:48 AM
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Maybe at under seven rec league, but I played at a high level and dudes would get blasted
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Those insurance polices are only a fraction of what they
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would have made in the pros and you have to walk away from playing again to see a cent of it...Anybody that thinks the insurance will recoup what he would lose in potential in earnings hasn't ever had to file a claim before apparently
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No way did you just lump soccer and golf together
Dec 17, 2022, 2:13 AM
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In the same vein of atheistic risk
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 9:25 PM
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But would you encourage your nursing, business , or engineering student to skip their final if they knew they could graduate without it, but with a lower GPA? I can see where some would feel like it is not finishing what you started and also letting your teammates down. I’m kinda like Dabo on this one. I would rather have all my guys playing but it’s his decision and as Dabo said when he was asked how he feels about MM’s decision - we can agree to disagree and still love each other, right?
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 9:27 PM
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its called TEAM-MATE for a reason
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More like they have a multimillion dollar job lined up
Dec 13, 2022, 9:30 PM
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and the employer tells them if they skip the final it won't affect the offer at all, but if they take the final and score below a certain threshold, they will rescind the offer.
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Actually it’s like the employ that doesn’t have the decency or class to put in a two week notice***
Dec 13, 2022, 9:39 PM
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OB is 12/30, today is 12/13. Seems like 2 week notice to me
Dec 13, 2022, 9:44 PM
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Has anyone asked teammates what they think? Are they upset or do they understand his decision?
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Oh you mean the other guys that are going pro but decided not to leave their brothers behind?
Dec 13, 2022, 9:49 PM
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Think their actions speak for themselves
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Re: Oh you mean the other guys that are going pro but decided not to leave their brothers behind?
Dec 13, 2022, 10:37 PM
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If they’re as tight as I think they are, they’ll support him either way. If they aren’t and they don’t, it doesn’t matter. “Brothers” do that. They’ll support the next man up. It’s a college football player going to make possibly generational wealth. Be a fan. Not your decision. Live and let live.
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Re: Oh you mean the other guys that are going pro but decided not to leave their brothers behind?
Dec 14, 2022, 9:51 AM
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The same way they treated Kelly Bryant.
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Shut up, coot.***
Dec 14, 2022, 1:59 PM
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Re: More like they have a multimillion dollar job lined up
Dec 14, 2022, 6:58 AM
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Or employer tells them after the fact they require a certain minimum GPA and skipping the final put your kid below that. We can do this all day if you wish.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 9:33 PM
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Dabo is not risking a broken leg and a loss of $10M plus by MM playing. This is life changing money for the Murphy family and would be for most.
Curiously, Dabo has accepted scholarships for his sons to save a few thousands dollars with an income over $15 million per year. The rah-rah stuff is great but not when it puts your family's guaranteed future at risk. So yes, we can agree to disagree. No problem.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 9:57 PM
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You can’t honestly believe Dabo was trying to save money by putting his sons on scholarship. What a stupid statement. They were given scholarships because they earned them, just like every other former walk on.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 3:39 PM
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So you are saying that we could not have recruited better wrs than the Swinneys?
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 7:01 AM
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I’m can’t really disagree with his decision and I certainly am not criticizing it. I am a little disappointed but understand. Again, I think I’m approaching it about like Dabo said he is. And yea, he said they’ll see him at the banquet but they have work to do now. I don’t think there are any hard feelings, just a little disappointment.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 10:05 AM
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I agree, but Dabo can't really say what he thinks, as he has to recruit future Myles Murphys and does not want to give the impression that he would in any way not want discourage any player from going pro according to their timing, not his. Inside I bet Dabo is really disappointed that he would not stick it out until after the final game. I wonder if Myles will get on his motor scooter, without a helmet, and drive back through traffic to his apartment after making the decision not to get hurt in his final game.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 7:56 AM
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Speaking of BretFSU's first post.
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There's no "lower GPA" in this scenario though
Dec 14, 2022, 9:50 AM
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NFL franchises have already shown that they don't care at all about prospects skipping bowl games. They didn't even care when prospects skipped the entire COVID season in 2020.
And they were proven correct not to care. Ja'Marr Chase and Micah Parsons both chose not to play football in 2020. Both were selected in the top 12, and both are now arguably the top players in the NFL at their positions in their 2nd seasons as pros. And i haven't heard a peep about them being bad team mates.
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Dec 15, 2022, 12:08 AM
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Over a ####### Orange Bowl that isn't a playoff game.
Dec 13, 2022, 9:28 PM
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Myles representing Clemson in the NFL for ten years is worth so much more to the program than his performance in this game. He's likely not going to be the difference between a win and a loss.
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Re: Over a ####### Orange Bowl that isn't a playoff game.
Dec 13, 2022, 9:40 PM
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It is totally Myles Murphy’s decision. Period.
But to say he might get hurt in the Orange Bowl is no excuse. What about Marcus Lattimore who ended his career in a regular season conference game or the QB from Costal Carolina who nearly lost his leg in a regular season game.
The point is a player can end his career on the first play of the first game of the year just as easily as playing a bowl game.
This logic will lead to more and more players skipping either their junior or senior seasons to avoid injury. Heck, why not just play one season and sit out two so you won’t get hurt.
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Being is Good Teammate and Human is Not Fluid Based on
Dec 14, 2022, 7:51 AM
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Quality of Game. He bailed on his teammates for Money Period. Live with it. He will be rich but selfish. How many players on that Clemson team show up every day and will get zippo?
I'm ok w/the decision. He just needs to accept he is selfish in this instance.
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Who's actually being selfish?
Dec 14, 2022, 9:58 AM
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Him or the fans slamming him for not playing? Why do y'all care? Likely for your own selfish reasons, no?
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Most of these guys have 30-50 games on film already
Dec 14, 2022, 9:56 AM
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What's the great significance of one more?
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Re: Over a ####### Orange Bowl that isn't a playoff game.
Dec 14, 2022, 5:08 AM
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Great perspective and I hadn't really thought of that.
It didn't sway my opinion on whether or not he should play. I think it's a personal decision that should be respected. He's done his part for the Paw. The bowl game is a reward for a good season, a game that we all want to win but aside from one more digit in the win column doesn't mean much of anything anymore.
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It’s just people who think these players owe
Dec 13, 2022, 9:34 PM
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them entertainment. Entitled fans, coming up with all kinds of bs reasons to justify their disappointment that they won’t get to see this guy play in a Clemson uniform again. Meanwhile, the entitled fan is just sitting and watching the game while shoveling chips in his mouth. Your attempt at reason is admirable but let these people wallow in their own misery.
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I just don’t like quitters
Dec 13, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Honestly, I’m glad he’s taking a hike. It’s more about the culture and the team to me than wanting to see an individual DL play.
I’d rather see lesser talent with supreme effort.
Dabo said it already. The dude was mailing it in all year. I’m excited to see the next man up.
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Re: I just don’t like quitters
Dec 13, 2022, 10:22 PM
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Get out of here. The only reason this has not happened more frequently with us is because lately we’ve been in the playoffs most years.
This is not a reflection of team culture. It is a smart business decision.
Would I prefer he play to help the team and give us a better shot at winning? Of course. But 1st round players opting out is just the way it goes these days.
The guys entering the portal and leaving before the bowl game… that’s a whole different situation.
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Re: I just don’t like quitters
Dec 14, 2022, 5:10 AM
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Dabo said it already. The dude was mailing it in all year. I’m excited to see the next man up.
Where did Dabo say that?
I know a few guys (to avoid the risk of piling on I'll avoid naming them AGAIN) who did plenty of mailing in this year.
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2021 NFL Lottery Pick Money
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Recognizing that TigerNet is home to many retired multi-millionaires, the attached sample salary/bonus money for 2021 lottery picks would be tough for someone with no money to turn down. And if you get injured in your last college game, you may get nothing.
Pick No. 1: Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars
Total contract value: $36.9 million
Signing bonus: $24.2 million
Pick No. 2: Zach Wilson, New York Jets
Total contract value: $35.2 million
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Pick No. 3: Trey Lance, San Francisco 49ers
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Pick No. 4: Kyle Pitts, Atlanta Falcons
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Pick No. 5: Ja’Marr Chase, Cincinnati Bengals
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Pick No. 6: Jaylen Waddle, Miami Dolphins
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Pick No. 10: DeVonta Smith, Philadelphia Eagles
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Pick No. 11: Justin Fields, Chicago Bears
Total contract value: $18.9 million
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Pick No. 12: Micah Parsons, Dallas Cowboys
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 9:57 PM
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I have absolutely no problem with not playing, I wish he was playing but I understand. He's declared for the draft. He will probably be a top ten pick. Why risk it. Playing in the orange bowl is not worth the risk of an injury that could cost him and his family millions of dollars.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 10:02 PM
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I agree.
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Expanding the Playoffs Should Cut Down on Early Opt-Outs
Dec 13, 2022, 10:08 PM
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If we were in the 12 team playoffs this year, Clemson would be the 3rd Seed as ACC Champs with a bye week and a home game.
If a player opts out for a playoff game, that's where I feel he's quit on the team.
I used to be against expanding the playoffs, but since the game has changed so much I'm embracing expanding the playoff to as many teams as possible.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 10:21 PM
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I think he should be :firgiven" his decision (like he owes us anything anyhow), but I understand folks who find it leaves them with a sour taste.
I wonder how many who label him a traitor have ever been divorced or looked for a better paying job. the moral superiority found on this site has really gotten out if hand
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 13, 2022, 11:19 PM
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Eh...his life his decision. I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
But I disagree. It's not selfish for people, which some are possible Iptay donors which collectively paid for this way through college and gave him the opportunity to be drafted so highly, to call it out.
Using a similar reasoning as you, would a company pay someone $### to build this great statue over the next 3 years, then when all the hard work is done and it's ready to be finished, they say I quit, I have a much more lucrative offer just ahead and I've already spent and benefited from what you paid me to complete this work? And yes money and scholarships are different in terms of what you can see, but they both hold value, and in this case education and football is a huge value because it put him in the first round of the draft and is a higher value than most earn in a lifetime. He can never pay Clemson back for what the school has given him, he's obviously not grateful enough to play in one more game and probably thinks he would have done it without Clemson, which is possible, but unlikely Amherst would have been first round at most places in my opinion.
Perfect team for him on a National scale, dreadful offense most of the season where all the focus was on winning because of the defense, had one other great player to draw attention to them but not so many where it diminished his work.
Would a surgeon say in the 8th hour of a complicated surgery, another hospital pays more money and needed me by 9am for a surgery or they wont hire me, so sew him up, I'm going to the more lucrative? Random hypotheticals, but if the answer in these situation is they should keep their commitment, not sure how that differs from any other commitment in life, including a football game, soccer practice, soccer game, piano lessons, etc. Money doesn't change a commitment. That why political leader accomplish absolutely nothing. They get there and its all about the money, not about the commitment. That thinking is exactly what is wrong with the culture. Give me, give me regardless of what they have already been given.
I tell my son if he commits, he follows through even if it costs missing out on something better. Commitments with end dates or one time events are reflective of most people's dependability. I'd rather have a dependable son with great character and devotion than a rich son, any day of the week. That isn't selfish, that's basic traits most "sane" parents wish for their kids. So in your hypothetical, I would absolutely tell him he should be a man and play the game for the team, school, and fans to whom he committed and which committed to him.
People don't have to agree, but to think people should think like that, especially with their own kids, it's a shame. Our future is bleak if parents are not instilling basic values of dependability and commitment in their kids, which is evident more and more every single day.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 5:05 AM
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A lot of stuff
Those are some BS examples, I'm sorry. So the surgeon has performed the surgery and everything went well, you are going to be mad if he looks at the surgeon next to him and says ok, he's all yours close him up? Or when the sculptor that finishes your statue doesn't personally deliver it to your house? Come on now, be serious.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 15, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Get real! Clemson didn't "give" him anything. They recruited him and paid him with a scholarship. He could easily have gone elsewhere. As to your surgeon, he won't quit in the middle of surgery because he knows he will be up to his ######## in lawsuits if he does. The only thing "selfish" Murphy is doing is prioritizing his future and his family.
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At the end of the day football is just a game
Dec 14, 2022, 1:41 AM
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It was created to entertain. It is not a war or fighting for your country. I can understand his decision also
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Where do you draw the line? Should he have played after ND?
Dec 14, 2022, 2:07 AM
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I am of the he quit on his team group.
The reason is simple to me - you are part of a team, you made a commitment, now you quit.
So those that are supporting this decision, where do you draw the line? Why now? Why this game? Is it simply due to it not being the playoffs?
Why not quit at the ACC championship game? It had no affect on the playoffs.
Why not quit before the SC game? It had no affect on the playoffs.
Why play the Miami game? It had no affect on the playoffs?
Why play the Louisville game? It had no affect on the playoffs.
So you could go all the way back to the Notre Dame game if you want. Why play after that?
Of course it is his choice, but for me, - unless he is fighting an injury, he should play. His team, his commitment, his walking away.
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Re: Where do you draw the line? Should he have played after ND?
Dec 14, 2022, 2:16 AM
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They were still playing for the ACC championship. Shows you Murphy cared about his teammates and getting Clemson another championship banner.
Be honest the orange bowl is a glorified scrimmage, it's better imo if the guys who are leaving early for the pros opt out, let the younger guys get in the game so you can see where they are at and what needs work in the offseason.
My line is simple if you aren't playing for anything of importance and you are a guaranteed first round pick you probably should opt out.
Murphy gave Clemson alot and was one of the better players on the team since he stepped on campus. It's not like he's leaving Clemson for another college he showed his loyalty.
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Re: Where do you draw the line? Should he have played after ND?
Dec 14, 2022, 4:53 AM
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You just got a new job offer and you start Feb 1st. Its 25x your current pay, but you have to go through some testing and evaluations to be sure you're ready to do your new job. You signed up to work the rest of the year but your current boss says you can go if needed. He'd prefer you stay but he understands this is for your future where you're going to make life changing money. So you're saying you would stick around, even though something could happen between now and then to ruin your chance at that new job?
Yes, I know its not a perfect example, but think about it, if there's even a chance of him being in the position of getting injured right before having his best shot at earning life changing money you honestly think he should take that chance just for one game? We're not talking about a guy who may never play again after the Orange Bowl, we're talking about someone who is being discussed as a top 15 or higher pick. There is a difference, whether some people would like to admit it or not. The young man has earned the right to make business decisions, so entitled fans need to stop judging him for making those decisions.
He's not leaving anyone high and dry, there's multiple guys that play the same position as him ready to step up and take his place. He has announced his intentions well before the bowl game to let the coaching staff focus their attention on getting them ready. Wish the young man well and let him take care of whatever he needs to do before the draft.
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Re: Where do you draw the line? Should he have played after ND?
Dec 14, 2022, 3:39 PM
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The committee did not agree with your comment. There was virtually no chance we move into the top 4.
But, both of us are speculating.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 2:08 AM
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Agreed. This isn't a playoff game it's a game for reps for the guys that will be back next year, that's how I look at it anyhow. If the guy knows he can't improve his stock in this game and is set on going pro then imo he should sit out so the next guy up can get valuable reps and he can get healthy and prepped for the combine.
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Opting out is allowed, and while I don't like it, I do
Dec 14, 2022, 2:54 AM
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understand why some choose it.
Thus, I hold no animosity toward Murphy, appreciate his contributions to Clemson and wish him well. He is only doing what he is allowed, as others are.
My longevity has given me the attitude that the game is rapidly passing my age-group; hence, you younger Friends will have to deal with this new type of football. Honestly, my sole regret is that my generation failed to anticipate changes and render strong, positive leadership years ago to render these transitions easier with which to cope.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 5:23 AM
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Let’s just agree to disagree. Life isn’t all about the money. Guy plays all year with the same risk. Call it what you want and I will call it the way I see it.
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^^^^ THIS is what we need more of. “I understand your
Dec 14, 2022, 7:57 AM
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perspective & rationale, but I see it differently. Can I buy you a beer ?”
The absolutes of I’m right, you’re wrong is proving to be a destructive thing.
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Would you rather...
Dec 14, 2022, 5:26 AM
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* get an Orange Bowl trophy by forcing Myles Murphy--a guy who will wear a different uniform next year--to play (as if his play would singlehandedly guarantee a win), or
* get ~10 full practices and ~50 real game snaps with the next man (or men) up who WILL suit up in orange and white in 2023 and potentially help us to a national title?
If Murphy was the greatest player to ever strap up, what's the most we can get out of his play?
* a win? (not guaranteed)
* a trophy?
* the win on TV translates to better recruiting for the future? (Is 12-2 worlds better than 11-3? Is a close Orange Bowl win going to sway a commit better than a close loss?)
I get the whole "Imma teach my kids to honor their commitments" spiel, as did I, but save that talk for the Dacari Collinses out there...the guys who literally did quit midway through something.
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Re: Would you rather...
Dec 14, 2022, 5:32 AM
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In reality I think it is a good thing for Clemson “next man up.”
Just tired of the BS excuse of risk of injury after you are 13 games into a season.
Just say you decided to quit and that you wish Clemson well.
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Can't ever force anyone to play.
Dec 14, 2022, 8:03 AM
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Kind of throws the whole post off.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 7:18 AM
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First I want to say it honestly makes no difference to me what Miles does. It doesn't make me think less about him for choosing to protect himself. However if he is "preparing for the draft" as he says, wouldn't playing in a game and giving it everything you have be the best way to "prepare for the draft"? Show the scouts what you have, if you will. Also on the other side of the coin, if you are working out and preparing for the combine there is also a chance of injuring yourself as career ending injuries can happen there too. I'm not a player and not in his situation so I can't fairly judge his actions which is why I'm not. But unless you sit in the house between now and then anything could happen. Just random thoughts...
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I'm an indifferent bast**rd!
Dec 14, 2022, 7:21 AM
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Does that surprise you?
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 7:39 AM
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I will just throw this out there. More injuries occur in practice and drills than in games. So could happen in working out for the draft. Also there may be some pro teams mgmt that are a little turned off by him opting out. Which may cost him a position or two in the draft. Which may cost him a million or two. Agents have big influence on kids at this stage. His agent I am sure played a big part in his decision. The agent will be already loaning him money.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 7:41 AM
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The loyalty to your team is not the same as it once was. It is now accepted that players are going to do what is best for themselves instead of the team. I'm not judging it but that's just the way it is. I can't be mad at him for trying to make a lot of life changing money.
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Injury Comes With The Business...No One is Selfish to Want
Dec 14, 2022, 7:47 AM
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to field the best team available. Insurance more than mitigates the catastrophic risk. Everyone of us takes risks everyday in life, this is the life they chose.
If I bailed on higher risk decisions at work and just took the cupcakes that would be unfair to my company and co-workers.
Not buying it
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Meh, other guys are playing. I’d play
Dec 14, 2022, 7:54 AM
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I know i know . . . Easy for me to say . . . But look, I believe that’s what i’d do . . .
Now, thing about murphy I don’t get is . . . Is he really that great? A top 10 pick? Just cuz he looks good? I don’t know, but as far as highly touted DE’s to come through clemson, doesn’t seem like he’s been that productive. Seems like most games this season you didn’t even notice him.
I don’t know anything but if I’d start my team with kj over murphy . . . Cuz i wanna win and i think i’d win more with kj
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If it were a playoff game would you feel the same way?
Dec 14, 2022, 8:00 AM
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No, no I don't think you would.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 8:34 AM
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Long story short, they are idiots not understanding the real world. There is nothing wrong with him not playing. He is being practical. It's a game and he has an entire like and family to support.
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if you get injured in the Orange Bowl
Dec 14, 2022, 9:02 AM
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you'll get broken in the NFL
all of Clemsons greats played each game
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If you get broken in the NFL, you still get to keep
Dec 14, 2022, 12:17 PM
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your millions of dollars in signing bonus and guaranteed pay. If you get hurt in the orange bowl, you might get some insurance money, but that’s about it.
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Sunshine pumpers TD'ing this post lol
Dec 14, 2022, 9:49 AM
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If the players and fans don't act the way they want, TD them by God!! That'll show 'em.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 11:08 AM
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Every man is his own King and as such makes his own decisions about how things will run in his Kingdom.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 11:35 AM
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The issue is the he took the exact same risk in the North Carolina game.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 14, 2022, 11:35 AM
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agree... social media is a mob mentality mostly not very bright.
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Why play the 30th, 33rd, 35th, whatever?***
Dec 14, 2022, 11:47 AM
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Re: Why play the 30th, 33rd, 35th, whatever?***
Dec 14, 2022, 12:00 PM
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Why are we even angry/debating him sitting out. I’m not sure which Murphy y’all watched this year but his mind has been on the NFL from game 1. I think we will be ok rolling with a player that wants to be there and give his effort. Just say thanks to Murphy for picking Clemson and good luck in the NFL, but his effort this year he quit way before the Orange Bowl. And before the nothing ever is wrong posters jump on this post just go back and read the coaches comments from the year.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 15, 2022, 12:12 AM
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Do I like the opt outs? No. However,Myles is a grown man and can make decisions for himself that will benefit him and his family. Sucks he's not playing but I totally get where he is coming from. Best of luck to you sir and hope you have a long successful career in the league.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 15, 2022, 7:43 AM
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So living up to your commitments is subjective based on the amount of money involved?
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 16, 2022, 1:35 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree with OP SocMan2.
The #1 reason any child goes to college on scholarship is for help to pay for college.
I was a graduate teaching assistant when I was at Clemson in the early 1990s (and later at Miami pursuing another degree). I also worked with the Student Athlete Enrichment Program, which was then housed in the brand-new Vickery Hall. I had the opportunity to speak openly with many student-athletes from many different sports, of many different backgrounds. I was nearly 30yo at the time, and wasn't afraid to ask them probing questions after several years of working in DC law firms.
Their lives, their goals, hopes, dreams, etc, etc, are THEIRS and theirs alone. Their futures belong to each individual. Yes, they play on teams, but they are there TO PREPARE FOR THEIR INDIVIDUAL FUTURES. NOT COLLECTIVE FUTURES.
The football players - and remember, those weren't the best Clemson teams at that time, FSU beat us 57-0 one year I was there - had tremendous pressure placed on them. Some of my football players would literally CRY - real tears - in front of EVERYONE in study hall -- other guys, girls, didn't matter -- talking about just how da*ned hard they worked. One kid, a sophomore, told me, "NCAA rules say we practice 20 hours a week, but if we don't give it 40, coach thinks we're not serious and we don't get to play." 40 hours a week IS A FULL TIME JOB. That's just practice! Then there's game weekend, which takes up more than 24 hours, PLUS they have to remain full time university students with at least a C average but really it's a B average if they want to make the school look good.
Tell me how many of y'all worked THAT HARD to get your education, to be telling these young men what to do with their lives?
I worked my way through all 3 of my schools. I worked 3 jobs at a time while going to school full time. I understood their pain. Ain't none of you putting food on their tables when they are 25 years old. Ain't none of you paying for their kids' braces or medical bills. It's really none of your business. They are here to start their lives.
THEIR TEAMMATES UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THIS SYSTEM, TOO.
You *are* being selfish, thinking only of Clemson glory. Any of you who are dismissive of how these players feel are either narcissists or sociopaths. Real people understand that other people's feelings matter. These aren't paid entertainers here for your enjoyment, even with NIL. They are COLLEGE KIDS, trying to get their lives started.
How about following EVERY SINGLE DAY of their lives, and being there to support each player in the future if something happens to them? If that's a No, then shut up and watch who suits up. They'd all go pro tomorrow if they could.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 17, 2022, 1:00 AM
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I don’t know how this young man grew up, maybe he grew up in poverty and now he has the chance to end that, not only for him, but his whole family. He has given plenty to Clemson. So if he wants to sit out the bowl game, and protect and prepare for his future, good for him. And I’m absolutely certain not a single one of his teammates feel like he is quitting on them. And actually it’s not a #### bit of our business what this young man does.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 17, 2022, 5:44 AM
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Miles has worked for his dream job for say 15 years, a lot longer than just his Clemson days. To not graduate because he played in one to many games and got a blown out knee would be a horrible decision in my opinion. He is guaranteed stupid money right now in most people’s opinion. More than most of us will ever make for a game he loves to pay. As Dabo says, next man up. You aren’t complaining about DJ leaving the team, but you are because MM is? Give me a break and Go Tigers.
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Re: Somewhat surprised by the selfish bast**rds on Board
Dec 17, 2022, 7:13 AM
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Specifically regarding Myles Murphy.
If you are a teenager or SCu troll, I get the criticism. For the rest, how many of you would risk injury and forfeiture of a guaranteed $10 million dollars plus for your 36th game at Clemson in a non-playoff game? For parents, how many would instruct their engineering, nursing, or business students to risk that type of life changing money if available? You would not if you're sane.
Facts
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