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Hall of Famer [8226]
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Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Most of our defensive players were recruited by USuC as well as us, no USuC has a top 10 defense and our guys look like a flag football D. There is something deeper rooted than "a lack of talent". Danny Ford was public with his skepticism about employing a HUNH offense and it's effect on the D. He may be on to something. Just a thought.
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 12:25 PM
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They have have a far superior S&C staff, and are far superior at developing players.
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Dynasty Maker [3321]
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 12:27 PM
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agree on the S&C...look at how much weight their baseball players put on from freshman to junior years 
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Hall of Famer [8226]
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That has to be part of it as well, however..
Sep 25, 2012, 12:28 PM
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Our offensive guys are beasts, so there is another disconnect.
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Associate AD [1079]
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 12:41 PM
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Ahhh.... here we go. Surprised it took 4 games for someone to bring up the S&C program.
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 12:27 PM
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Roids' is an interesting word!
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Hall of Famer [8226]
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I wasn't going to go there, but......***
Sep 25, 2012, 12:30 PM
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CU Guru [1218]
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That is complete horse$hit.
Sep 25, 2012, 8:19 PM
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Say what you want abt the old ######## but nobody who knows anything abt college baseball would ever accuse Tanner of cheating.
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Varsity [136]
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Okla St, Auburn, FL under Tebow,...
Sep 25, 2012, 12:34 PM
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all rean the huo, so Ford is wrong again.
not surprising since Ford hated offense.
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the biggest thing that I see, visually
Sep 25, 2012, 12:36 PM
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is that their secondary guys are bigger and look stronger that our guys.
Rashard Hall - tall, skinny
Xavier Brewer - skinny
Darius Robinson - short skinny
Breeland - hes close to being the right side but still needs to bulk up a little bit.
Even our LB's look like they need to get bigger and stronger...
I don't know if it's a recruiting thing or if we're not asking them to get stronger and add mass but that would help with those arm tackles. I just think Carolina puts more emphasis on their strength and conditioning because you can see it. I don't think it's just carolina but I do notice that we are more lean than muscular. Do they do that to keep them fast or what?
Rashard Hall is playing in his 3rd season and I don't think his body type has changed much at all.
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can you actually prove that?
Sep 25, 2012, 12:39 PM
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How about taking a look at the rosters and comparing.
You also might consider that Clemson's defense was very good just two years ago, while USuCk's wasn't so good.
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I see the same thing in other teams,
Sep 25, 2012, 12:44 PM
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a combination of strength, speed, power AND very quick reaction time. Something is known by other teams that has not yet been discovered by us. Not sure what it is but even SC has it figured out. The comparitive muscle mass is far more advanced than ours. It all amounts to having energy to burn for all 4 quarters and the toughness to deliver and take hits.
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Re:If the players can't get to the ball carrier, you have a
Sep 25, 2012, 12:41 PM
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lack of talent. If they get there and don't make the play , you have a lack of
coaching.
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Roids? interesting. i've noticed SUC players look like
Sep 25, 2012, 12:45 PM
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they are blown up w an air hose. also, if u watch these thugs play...ROID RAGE is apparent! just like in the 80s, if SUC is good...find the coke and needles!
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CU Guru [1502]
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Oregon has a real problem with the Hurry Up
Sep 25, 2012, 12:49 PM
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No. 22 ARI - Zero Points, and it was never close.
Scoring like a pinball machine and the D is tough, hard nosed, and fast as well. Of course it's like year 5 or 6 in that system.
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we cant tackle and get line surge on d.rested or not***
Sep 25, 2012, 12:49 PM
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^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
Sep 25, 2012, 9:08 PM
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we're as bad in the first quarter as we are the last. No explosiveness up front. Poor angles on the back end. I think more than anything we are seeing youth in some places(Williams, Jarrett, Watson, Anthony, Blanks), a lack of athleticism in some(Goodman, Crawford), and a lack of football instinct in others(Robinson, Brewer, Christian). That all adds up to a poor defense. Solution: recruiting. Solution now:give the young guys a chance(Steward, Townsend, Davis, Barnes, Dood, etc)
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We need more depth!***
Sep 25, 2012, 1:04 PM
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What does a HUNH offense have to do with the ability to
Sep 25, 2012, 1:11 PM
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Tackle or cover a wide receiver.
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 1:23 PM
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The style of the offense has NOTHING to do with the defensive problems. Nobody expects the D to hold opponents to single digits. They score more, but so do you, so it's a wash.
Danny Ford was a great coach, but his teams' lack of offense cost Clemson two games every year. You combine the 2012 O with the late 80's D and Clemson is national champions about every other year. They'd give up more points, but win more games.
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3 and out is 3 and out!!***
Sep 25, 2012, 7:58 PM
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 1:48 PM
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Ok then why can't the D stop anybody the first 3 or 4 possessions? There is no way in hell you can say the offense going out and scoring a TD in 3 plays before the D sees the field is the reason they gave up a TD right after that. I don't buy it. If the D could get 2 or 3 stops a half our O would have us up by 3 or more TDs at the half. The offense has nothing to do with the way our sorry ### D has played this year. It is an attitude issue not a talent issue. These guys have got to want to blow somebody up!
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All-In [10900]
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Here's your answer.. just read his last 2 sentences...
Sep 25, 2012, 1:57 PM
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Quick.. other than knocking McCaleb out 2 years ago, when is the last time you can remember a hit so good it made you all warm and fuzzy inside ?
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Hall of Famer [8226]
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You may be right
Sep 25, 2012, 5:10 PM
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The defense has no fire, no killer instinct. Hey, I'm just searching for answers. I'm not buying the "no talent" talk. We recruit a lot of quality players who never seem to get better.
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Athletic Dir [865]
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Sep 25, 2012, 6:23 PM
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i don't know what sc is doing but Clowney is huge compared to when he got there.
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 6:34 PM
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They all are. It's called steroids but I'm sure they've moved on to HGH because it's harder to detect. Heck even Connor Shaw is bigger !!
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Re: Something doesn't add up....
Sep 25, 2012, 7:55 PM
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I noticed that immediately. He looks 15lbs heavier and appears to be a legitimate running threat now.
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Sep 25, 2012, 10:09 PM
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i dot give a #### about uscuc palyers or what theyre on,, i only know that we supposedly recruit these great prospects and never seem to coach them up to their potential.. we have a coaching problem plain and simple and unfortunately because of dabo cultist idiots on board here we will the problem for years to come ,, im #### sick of it.
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