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TigerNet HOFer [133508]
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FYI, some tariffs Canada
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Mar 31, 2025, 12:52 PM
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Charges America markets
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from your article, in case peeps don't get to the bottom
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Mar 31, 2025, 1:23 PM
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"And while Trump claimed in February that “they don’t take our agricultural product for the most part,” Canada is actually the world’s second-largest export market for US agricultural products as a whole, according to the US Department of Agriculture, purchasing about $28.4 billion worth in 2024.
Canada is also the second-largest US export market for dairy, purchasing about $1.1 billion worth in 2024. That figure has grown steadily over the past decade, from about $625.5 million in 2015."
And the US sells up to a limit (which they've never reached) before those numbers from Beng kick in.
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Re: FYI, some context.
Apr 3, 2025, 4:23 PM
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Once a Sheeple, always a Sheeple.
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Ultimate Tiger [34898]
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Do you think that data, all by itself, paints an accurate picture?...
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Mar 31, 2025, 1:16 PM
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I assume you checked these out before you shared? And that you studied up on quota based tariffs and the difference between these rates and what are actually being paid and that Trump negotiated the USMCA and called it a great deal for dairy farmers and all of that, right?
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Of COURSE he did
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Mar 31, 2025, 1:37 PM
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not.
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Re: Do you think that data, all by itself, paints an accurate picture?...
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Apr 2, 2025, 9:23 PM
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Dear flow0440®,
I assume you read the entire link that JJ provided, but that a memory lapse caused you to miss this:
“But the International Dairy Foods Association, which represents the American dairy manufacturing and marketing industry, pointed out Friday that the US is not at Canada’s zero-tariff maximum in any category.
Becky Rasdall Vargas, the organization’s senior vice president of trade and workforce policy, argued in an interview that Canada is to blame for the inability of the US to get to the maximums, saying Canada is unfairly deploying obstacles that make it “harder and harder” for the US to sell into the Canadian market. She said that while “we don’t love the tariffs,” the primary issue is that “we can never even fill the quota to begin with” because Canada is using administrative tactics to deny the US the market access it is supposed to have under the USMCA.”
Context matters. Even CNN had the honesty to provide this context, albeit deep in their article. Let’s blame your oversight on a brain cramp.
In other news, today, April 2nd (“Liberation Day”), Ontario Premier Doug Ford (who, BTW, lacks the authority to cut deals, but is nevertheless influential in the Canadian government) proposed that Canada would elimate all tariffs on all U.S.goods if the U.S. eliminates all tariffs on Canadian goods.
This, is called ‘winning.’ Canada thought they could bluff Trump out of implementing the U.S. tariffs on Canadian goods without relinquishing all Canadian tariffs on U.S. goods. Trump called heir bluff. Canada didn’t simply blink; they assumed ‘the position.’
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Of course context matters. Thats why the original post is garbage.
Apr 2, 2025, 9:55 PM
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The original post didn’t speak to some complicated import program that inhibits shipping products. It just said “these are the tariffs Canada charges us for these goods.” That’s a clear misrepresentation of the facts. Not even debatable. It is not accurate. THAT has to be agreed upon first in this thread.
THEN…if some trade war supporters want to acknowledge that fabrication, but still claim that Canada is somehow rigging the system to inhibit our exports, okay. We can start with the quote you referenced. It’s a vague accusation from a trade association spokesperson or leader…so, it doesn’t have a ton of objectivity to it, but okay. Then the question is “HOW are they making it more complicated?” Can anyone name any specific tactics they use. Perhaps an example or two? And be sure to compare it to our process so we can clearly see how they are making it harder.
And not that I am agreeing that that would justify a trade war or the mountains of childish insults that this administration has hurled their way, but at least it’s not (yet) confirmed as a lie.
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RTD, as usual, you don't even understand what you're arguing against...
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Apr 2, 2025, 10:32 PM
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And no, I didn't see JJ's post before I posted, but the link illustrates what I was talking about.
And you are actually agreeing with me, not disagreeing with me. The OP listed dairy tariffs rates with no context. I pointed out that just listing those rates is misleading and doesn't consider the quota system in place that has to be met before those higher tariff levels kick in. Nowhere did I claim there are no issues with the quota system in place to guard against oversupply tanking the market.
So...you are just proving my point with a snarky tone, yet not understanding the issue well enough to even know it. LOL
As for Ford's comments, sure...but it's not called winning, it's called unplanned and undisciplined moves from a white house that doesn't seem to understand simple economics. Trump introduced an unprecidented level on uncertainty, which has slowed the economy, crashed the markets, and sent some of our allies looking to China as a trading partner. All bad things.
If he wanted Canada to drop all of their tariffs and have a complete free trade arrangement (1) he could have to used for that in the USMCA that HE negotiated and/or (2) talked to the Canadians...and even threatened or actually put tariffs in place to take effect in say, 1 year. Then there could have been talks to come to a better agreement with making Canada hate us and drastically disrupting both of our economies. Canada did not blink. They introduced retaliatory tariffs at the beginning of March in about 1/3 of goods and are poised to bring the balance of goods this week...we'll see what they will actually do. I've been following this closely as my company's products are in the 2nd group.
Surely there has to be some subject that you actually understand and can add value on. You keep trying sport!
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In this example...who is a "sheeple"?***
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Apr 3, 2025, 4:41 PM
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Paw Master [16627]
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Somebody needs to start keeping receipts around here. This is ridiculous.
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Mar 31, 2025, 3:59 PM
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bengaline, you have to come back to this thread and admit that your fly-by post is pure nonsense.
As many have pointed out, these tariff amounts are not paid by anyone. That they only kick in when Canada imports over a certain threshold of a commodity. And that that threshold is never met.
Interestingly, I've always wondered...is it not met because they hit the threshold and just stop because it becomes too expensive? Could we, say, export $10 billion in eggs, but we only sell $999 million because the threshold is $1 billion?
The article linked above addresses that at least in part:
"In many categories, notably including milk, the US is not even at half of the zero-tariff maximum."
What you posted is propaganda nonsense and it would be nice if ONE "MAGA" supporter would come on here and say "Oh...yeah...this is good information...I still support the President but this isn't what it looks like."
But you won't. You'll just move on to the next context-less deception about what's going on in the world.
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This is the MAGA way.
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Mar 31, 2025, 10:25 PM
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Post a screen shot of a tweet that is very misleading/false, and then don’t even have the self respect to admit you were wrong, and then rinse and repeat again. The “do your own research” crowd is allergic to doing any research.
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Re: This is the MAGA way.
Mar 31, 2025, 10:53 PM
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He said he isn't MAGA. Do you believe him?
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Game Changer [1914]
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Haha. No.***
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Mar 31, 2025, 11:05 PM
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what a coward.
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Apr 1, 2025, 7:04 AM
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bengaline
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So now yur a lame putz like Catahoula?***
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Apr 2, 2025, 11:47 AM
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You ran away from your bad OP like a lil #####. Why not respond?***
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Apr 2, 2025, 11:44 PM
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almost as adorable as an LbB post***
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Re: FYI, some tariffs Canada
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Apr 2, 2025, 9:47 PM
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Update re America ‘winning.’ C&P from interview today (April 2) by CNBC Squak Box host Ross Sorkin with Ontario’s Premier Doug Ford re Canada’s last minute offer to eliminate all Canadian tariffs on American goods in exchange for America not implementing tariffs on all Canadian goods. (Note: Doug Ford does not have the authority to implement tariff agreements. However, as top dog in Canada’s biggest province, he wields considerable weight within the Canadian national government.)
Canada tried to keep their tariffs in place, choosing the ‘nibbling’ negotiating tactic which bureaucracy centric governments love. Trump doesn’t ascribe to wasting time on negotiations that take too long and accomplish too little. Canada came to the table hoping to bluff America into accepting another trsde deal loss. Doug Ford’s message today means that Canada has ‘assumed the position.’
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Ontario Premier Doug Ford said Wednesday on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” that if President Donald Trump removes tariffs, Canada will drop all of their tariffs.
Host Andrew Ross Sorkin said, “Do you expect this to be a negotiation? meaning there has been a sense, implied or otherwise, that we’re going to hear a number, whether it’s 20% or something else, as a sort of top, and that if folks like yourself come forward and say, you know what, we’re going to take some tariffs off of this and we’re going to do this, perhaps that those tariff numbers come down?”
Ford said, “Well, let’s hope so. Let’s sit down and discuss this because it’s just going to hurt American jobs. I can’t stress it enough and you know again he believes he’s supporting Americans. He said he was going to create jobs, create wealth, reduce inflation it’s worked the total opposite.”
Ross Sorkin said, “But do you think it’s fair that you have tariffs on a whole number of products.”
Ford said, “That’s right. And we’d be willing to take those off tomorrow if he took all the tariffs off. We are not the problem. Andrew do you know the problem is? China is the problem. And he’s taking a blind eye to China as they continue to build their critical mass. We have all the critical minerals that our great neighbors need. we have the energy that our great neighbors need.”
Ross Sorkin said, “I just want to go back for a moment. If, in fact, you’re prepared to take your tariffs off, why wouldn’t you have that negotiation and that conversation now before any tariffs get put in place?”
Ford said, “Well, we’ve had we’ve had this conversation for over the last month we don’t want tariffs. We have another $65 billion with a tariffs to launch today. That’s the last thing we want to do because it’s just again it’s going to hurt both countries. It’s going to hurt American workers.”
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Dear ninetytwotiger®, JJTiger89, LesterWagner1990, Tropical, 19B®, and NoIntroduction®,
This is what ‘winning’ looks like. Send your check to the RNC.
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So I understand correctly
Apr 2, 2025, 9:50 PM
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Free trade is winning?
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Re: So I understand correctly
Apr 3, 2025, 6:27 PM
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Fair trade is “winning.”
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Game Changer [1914]
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I always skim some of it, purely for the
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Apr 2, 2025, 10:16 PM
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entertainment value.
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Ultimate Tiger [34898]
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It's not winning it's massive malpractice...
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Apr 2, 2025, 10:40 PM
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Trump took office towards end of January and announced tariffs in Canada and Mexico in the beginning of Feb before pausing and then pushing them through on Canada on March 4.
Did Trump actually ask Canada to renegotiate? Canada says no. Why not just tell them we want to negotiate a new deal or else we'll do x,y, and z? Answer, because either Trump doesn't want a new deal or he's incompetent, or both.
Either way, it sure as heck ain't winning.
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Ah ah ah - patience my boy - April 3rd update
Apr 3, 2025, 6:44 PM
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Trump reset the negotiations frame of reference first. Then came the negotiations.
The original frame of reference was that all existing tariffs (with the multitude of individual items) was the starting point. Negotiations from the old paradigm could be conducted with no sense of urgency by Canada, since Canada was the net beneficiary under the pre-April 2nd tariff agreements.
The new tariff negotiations paradigm is similar to what zero based budgeting would be if that were to replace Fed govt’s current budget based the previous year’s budget. The new frame of reference is that Canada was facing big trouble unless they moved fast and fairly with America in the new negotiations.
Guess what? Despite Canada’s new (temporary) Prime Minister Mark Carney’s stupidity (the early clues that Carney was a short-cut guy was exposed via his reliance on plagiarism when composing his Ph.D thesis) made an announcement today (April 3rd) that shows he still hasn’t figured it out.
The C&P below includes both WH statements and commentary from the Canadian Globe and Mail. The (*) marks denote my emphasis.)
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This means USMCA compliant goods will continue to see a 0% tariff, non-USMCA compliant goods will see a 25% tariff, and non-USMCA compliant energy and potash will see a 10% tariff,” the White House explained.
In addition to the USMCA, a major reason that Canada is exempt from the new tariffs is that President Trump already imposed a 25 percent tariff on Canadian goods in March, which does not apply to USMCA compliant goods, and a 50 percent tariff on aluminum and steel from Canada. These tariffs, Trump stated at the time, were not intended to level the economic playing field but, rather, to pressure Canada’s Liberal government to act to secure its border and limit fentanyl trafficking into the United States.
“In the event the existing fentanyl/migration IEEPA orders are terminated, USMCA compliant goods would continue to receive preferential treatment, while non-USMCA compliant goods would be subject to a 12% reciprocal tariff,” the White House noted on Wednesday.
(*). The Canadian Globe and Mail newspaper observed on Wednesday that Trump’s new tariffs on other countries could “potentially [be] putting his neighbors at a competitive advantage if they stay within the bounds of the continental trade agreement.” Due to the exceptions in the new tariff orders, “a significant portion of Canadian and Mexican goods will continue to trade tariff-free, while other countries face a steep jump in duties.
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Other than Canada’s dork PM, the smart people in Canada recognize the positive economical potential … for Canada … as a result of their willingness to be flexible, fair, and prompt in negotiations with America.
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Ultimate Tiger [34898]
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More lumps of word salad...
Apr 3, 2025, 7:33 PM
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You haven't said anything here outside of Trump did all this to start negotiating. Where are the signs he's negotiating and why didn't he actually start negotiations?
You've strong together a number of guesses and nonsense here. Based on what exactly? Has Trump said this?
And no..Canadians most certainly do not view any of this as a positive. They view Trump as trying to take over their country and potentially sinking their economy to do it.
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