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A question for the older and wiser lungers: what was the biggest misconception
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:39 AM
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you had about life when you were younger (say, in college or 20-25)?
I was discussing this with some friends and the answers were interesting and, frankly, depressing.
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I really think one that is certainly not prevalent today
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For me, it was To get ahead and make a great living which continues to grow you needed to work for a big company and climb the ladder. Today, I think it’s the opposite.
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So... work for a small company and
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Dec 19, 2023, 9:48 AM
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descend the ladder?
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No, create a small company, grow it, and BE the ladder***
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Re: No, create a small company, grow it, and BE the ladder***
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Dec 19, 2023, 10:14 AM
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What my sons have done!
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Oculus Spirit [98444]
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That's what my dad's son did too.
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bingo
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Dec 19, 2023, 10:56 AM
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modern corporate america, and long-term corporate america are just farms of corporate chodes.
merit is not rewarded. fluency in corporatespeak coupled with solid ball gargling and a nice shiny MBA degree gets you up "the ladder"
"the ladder" is also a complete fabrication to hyper inflate value of individuals while using it as a carrot.
corporate structures nowadays have sr. managers doing #### analysts should be doing. all these firms are way too top heavy with way too many intricacies wrt titles and pay bands that don't reflect actual capabilities of workers. it's a #### show.
IMO there needs to be a massive correction. but as I've said before, the "solution" coming out of chaos is always worse.
we need to get smaller. smaller communities, smaller companies, smaller breadth of scale wrt to commodity distribution needed to facilitate day to day life (groceries, food, energy, etc.)
instead it's gone the opposite way, completely flipped the paradigm of having a motivated workforce, and stripped any leverage from the consumer in the process.
i fuggging hate it.
oh. and some chode from IT will lock you out of your phone b/c "iT's ThE pRoCeSs"
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Re: bingo
Dec 19, 2023, 11:20 AM
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Just from my experience with multiple corporations, about 20 percent of the people are really running the company. When I say running, I mean making it operate. The titling of these folks varies from very senior titles to not so senior titles.
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20% of the people doing 80% of the work
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80% of the people doing almost nothing
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But we LOOK busy, and that is key***
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Wasn't directed at you
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Dec 19, 2023, 11:59 AM
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(as far as you know), it DEFINITELY holds true where I work. We say that all the time
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We got 67,000 employees, IIRC
Dec 19, 2023, 11:50 AM
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When I saw that number, it blew me away. But I work in a relatively small team in the Carolinas with less than 40 people so it doesn't FEEL like 67,000 people. Plus, I am all by myself with WFH so that helps. If I move jobs, I might have to go back to an office.
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67,000 worldwide, not sure in the US though***
Dec 19, 2023, 11:51 AM
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Oculus Spirit [82126]
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We have about 477,000 employees.
Dec 19, 2023, 1:21 PM
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Even though last year was one of our biggest and most profitable years ever, we'll slough off a few thousand employees every month just based on...well, I have no idea what its based on. How old you are, how much money you make, or who you ticked off on a teams call. No really idea how it's decided.
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For context, how many large companies have you worked for...
Dec 19, 2023, 11:54 AM
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and how big were they?
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varies in role
Dec 19, 2023, 3:11 PM
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as a consultant, I had over a dozen clients. Ranging from Fortune 100 to smaller shops
went into industry in a Fortune 100
my wife works for a Fortune 100
I work for a large company, but am in sales so the role is much different.
I've worked for enough to never go on the other side of the table. And to realize that I can do what I do now on my own or for a smaller firm and make more money while having more fun doing it.
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I thought I'd know how to do a lot more stuff by now.***
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Yes. This is very, very true for me.***
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For me it always come back to the broken promise of flying cars.***
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Picture it, Sirrine Hall, Clemson, early 2000s
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Dr. Carlson's marking class. We have to come up with a print add on the spot. My groups was the 2003 Chevy Bel-Air flying car. Tag line "It's about #### time." We won that day.
I feel your pain on the flying car, but the Jetson's still had traffic jams.
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Re: A question for the older and wiser lungers: what was the biggest misconception
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I dunno
I'd guess in some things maybe shoulda gone bigger, realized that someone has to be that guy, might as well be me
but things worked out pretty good
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That people in their 40s are old.***
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Aren't you in your 40's?***
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You misunderheard her. She said she isn't old.***
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Somewhere I missed that***
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Re: Somewhere I missed that***
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It was her misconception
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110%er [7245]
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Great pick. 40 seems younger every day.
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This is the first time that many my friends are looking middle aged in Christmas cards.
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That I was right about public policy because I thought everything could be
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neatly wrapped and organized based on economic/social principle, and moreover, having a stoic, unempathetic approach was superior because "tough love" was what was needed and detachment from the human condition improved one's ability to be objective.
Turns out, you need to live in the world to know better how it works, and also how to lead it.
My other advice would be always make the lady come first because then it doesn't matter how terrible or quick you are at the rest of the show, she'll always remember she got her rocks off with you and that's always gonna happen any time she wants to come back for more.
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So I'm guessing you had some Ron Paul bumper stickers at one point?
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Were you a standard sophomore-year libertarian or did you go full Ayn Rand?
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Many such cases...***
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It's funny how much of my life has been dictated by my tape deck going
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bad in my truck, and flipping past the Michael Savage show on the radio and how hard "red diaper doper babies" hits a high schooler's political angst.
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That I would never see the Tigers win a National Championship in my lifetime***
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Funny enough, I was always convinced we would win one in my lifetime.
Dec 19, 2023, 12:13 PM
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I just assumed I'd be in my 60s or something. We've won two, so the rest is gravy to me.
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Oculus Spirit [82126]
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Hit the lottery early***
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That there is pot of gold at the end of whatever rainbow
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I thought I was looking at.
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I felt safe knowing the adults were in charge.
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There was a very specific moment when I realized I was now an adult and all the people I'd relied on for guidance and to make important decisions weren't any better at it than me. It made me feel like civilization is just a house of cards and our faith in all these systems is the only thing keeping it from collapsing.
So yeah, bleak. It's given me more faith in myself, so I got that going for me, which is nice.
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The police are there to serve and protect
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and that those are the people you can ALWAYS trust
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Done commenting. I'll give my answer in one simple word.
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women
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Yeah***
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That Miller, Bud, etc. make good beer.***
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The biggest one I had when I was younger that took a long time to learn
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was the fact that I should not be passing the Dutchie from the righthand side.
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That I could pick football games against the line
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That holds true for any gambling. Well maybe not the biggest, but nevertheless an important realization that should be passed on.
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I was about 25 when I joined a season long NFL pick em pool with a
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fairly large payout. I figured it would be easy. Holy cow was I wrong.
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Re: A question for the older and wiser lungers: what was the biggest misconception
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That all Americans would always be patriotic and willing to serve their country.
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Not to be obtuse...but what window in time did you grow up where you thought
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that might be the case?
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Had to be prior to the 1950's..or even the 1850s for that matter
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Even Washington's armies had conscripts.
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SImple: That liberal politics were the right way to go.
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It's become obvious that is simply not the case.
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But you may be able to get chick-fil-a on a Sunday***
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Thats what they used to say, but I don't recall in my lifetime
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that ever being a thing. I wonder who started that?
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I didn't have to hook up with every beautiful woman I saw.
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It took me, well, I still feel that way sometimes but I limit my scope of love to 55+ cause of that 'time of life,' thing that's going on nowadays.
Actually, I'm only a simply outrageous flirt. I can still make a young lady smile. 1 to 99.
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Working in the corporate world has made me scared to speak to women
Dec 19, 2023, 3:02 PM
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Any of them.
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this is more grammar school than 20yr old, but the outright lies
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we were told in the 70's:
1. World would run out of oil by the year 2010 (frightening me that I would never own/drive a car) 2. Scientists say Earth was gonna freeze due to man-made pollution/global cooling. Then it became global warming. Yeah. 3. USA was quickly becoming all-metric. Miles, feet, pounds, gallons, would all become extinct measurements. Better learn what a kilometer is, and a gram.
It's the same stuff now, just a new set of lies.
Also, flying cars. What a gyp.
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I was told we'd all have to write in cursive.***
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I actually do write in cursive almost every day.
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I had to reacquaint myself with it.
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I'll share mine, too. This feels so stupid and naive to say but I really had the
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impression that working would be easier than school. I must have assumed that working was basically the same lifestyle as school, but I'd have money. I'm pretty goal-oriented, so I thought you worked hard in school and that would set you up for easier work-life.
The transition to work was tough, obviously.
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I definitely don't think I could go back to school
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I couldn't stand the whole class routine, exams, homework, etc. It all felt so pointless, like why am I staying up all night to cram for this exam in a subject I really DGAF about. Plus, I've got to have some variety in my day to day. Having a schedule of classes that are at the same time every day, week, month is not good for my mental health...as the kids now would say.
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Me neither. But being able to cut out for a long weekend and having hours long
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gaps during the day was very nice. At every stage of life I've been through, I have had way more free time than I thought I did.
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It sounds like making lunch beers part of your routine could really
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benefit your quality of life. We went downtown Clemson last week to eat lunch, watching those poor SOB's lugging their backpacks around all stressed out over exams really made me glad I was just an observer as opposed to being back in their shoes.
Ideally, I could hit the mega millions and not work anymore. Then I'd probably be dead by 50 though.
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This is a great idea. And, as you mentioned, there really isn't anything more
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important than my mental health.
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That didn't catch up with me until later.
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In my 20s I could close down a bar at 2am and still make it to work on time, have a productive day, go to the gym and do it all over again.
Now if I'm not asleep by 10pm I feel like crap all day. I don't even drink because that takes a week to get over these days.
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Back in my late 20s I told the kids at the bank in their early 20s to
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not stop partying because if they took a month off the next one was going to hurt 'em.
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Hangovers are the only thing that keep me from being a raging alcoholic.
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That and the fear that decades of binge drinking are going to throw me on the liver donation wish list.
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