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Dynasty Maker [3515]
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:41 PM
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Did you read the entire article? That stuff has been going on up north forever. Nothing new. There’s no letting the genie back in the bottle. Embrace change.
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Valley Protector [1406]
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:46 PM
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I’ll never embrace abortion. Never. Never. My beliefs and my opinion. I pray for the unborn every day.
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Orange Blooded [2563]
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 20, 2024, 11:12 PM
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Reality and science vs. blind faith in an imaginary celestial dictator. It’s always enlightening when men opine on how women should think and act.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 20, 2024, 11:26 PM
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The only thing enlightening when people use the words “blind faith” as a descriptor of Christianity is the revelation that they haven’t actually done their homework about the “reality” of Christianity.
If you sincerely studied, then it would not be unreasonable to conclude that Christianity explains life as it really is, not an imaginary world of theories and possibilities.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 21, 2024, 7:05 AM
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I’ve sincerely studied and came to the conclusion that Christianity is a bunch of hog wash.
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Banhammer inbound***
Aug 21, 2024, 7:15 AM
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
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Aug 21, 2024, 8:02 AM
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Wow so I should be banned for saying I don’t believe in your ancient deity.
Let freedom ring.
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
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Aug 21, 2024, 8:21 AM
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U don’t have to believe in god to think it’s not right to kill an unborn child.
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
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Aug 21, 2024, 8:24 AM
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These later term abortions are sickening.
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
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Aug 21, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Late-term abortions are extremely rare and usually for health-related reasons, i.e. to save the life of the mother. 93% of abortions are performed in the 1st trimester. The mobile clinic in the OP only offers medication abortions, which are only an option in the 1st trimester.
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Asst Coach [828]
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
Aug 21, 2024, 4:07 PM
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SO the 9 children that were murdered in Minnesota after botched abortions (they were born alive) don’t count. Gotcha.
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Valley Protector [1475]
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
Aug 21, 2024, 8:46 PM
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SO the 9 children that were murdered in Minnesota after botched abortions (they were born alive) don’t count. Gotcha.
Do not confuse them with facts
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
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Aug 21, 2024, 8:25 AM
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I never said what I believed about abortion…just responded that I had researched and not came to the same conclusion on one particular religion.
And that’s the beauty of living in America. I don’t have to believe everything you believe and Vice versa.
Sad that some people have a problem with that.
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Re: Banhammer inbound***
Aug 21, 2024, 8:30 PM
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Yes, we are accepting of all due to our foundation of Christian principles set by our forefathers.
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Game Changer [1992]
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Re: Banhammer inbound*** THIS^^^^^^^^^
Aug 21, 2024, 9:44 AM
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FACTS. But also the lack in belief of God does also seems to lower moral standards (as always christians are not close to perfect people)
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Re: Banhammer inbound*** THIS^^^^^^^^^
Aug 21, 2024, 10:27 AM
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Morality is subjective. Some things you as a christian call immoral others do not.
Some people say it's immoral to hunt or fish. Should these things be outlawed?
I'm not saying they compare necessarily, but both are taking a life.
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Hall of Famer [9055]
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No, you should be banned for suggesting that murdering babies is a womans right
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You mindless twit.
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Ring of Honor [21856]
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 7:16 AM
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LOL 😆 so is our government 🤣
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 21, 2024, 8:03 AM
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Move somewhere else.
Ain’t that how it goes?
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 4:07 PM
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Read "The Case For Christ" before you 100% claim your 20 min exhaustive study is complete.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 8:47 PM
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Read "The Case For Christ" before you 100% claim your 20 min exhaustive study is complete.
He is not smart enough to devote 20 minutes to a subject matter
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 22, 2024, 1:40 PM
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macodi Lovefootball
I’ve read all the Lee Strobel books plus several other Christian apologetic books.
The answers satisfied for a while but there were just too many logical flaws that I had to ignore to continue believing.
If that sends me to hell so be it.
And if you think you can spend eternity in heaven worshipping someone who is throwing the vast majority of people that ever lived in eternal lake of fire, you’re a sick POS too.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 22, 2024, 7:40 AM
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So you basically believe that it’s just a hoax that somehow has withstood the test of time? Takes way more faith to believe that.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 20, 2024, 11:46 PM
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reality and science? really? support your contention with actuality ... b/c the "reality" is... murdering humans doesn't cease to be a crime b/c said humans are more immature than a 30 year old.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 21, 2024, 8:05 AM
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No one is trying to control women. The fact is there is a human inside of them and that human has rights. I am an atheist and can see that. After 6 weeks it’s just flat out irresponsible. Except, of course, in cases of life or death, rape, and incest.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 8:28 AM
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Since you’re an atheist maybe we can discuss this without emotion.
I assume you as an atheist you put the same value on all life, not just human.
So, is population control wrong when it comes to other species?
That is just an obvious question that comes to mind.
I’m not saying we should or should not use it as a means for that, but a lot of people are not responsible enough to raise children and therefor put a burden on society by bringing children into the world.
It’s a sad situation that there doesn’t seem to be much much of a solution coming from those who oppose legalizing abortion.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 8:39 AM
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Now you’re talking genocide. Who decides who isn’t worthy?! You had some decent points until then. I had this same debate in philosophy classes.
You could have argued autonomy. It’s the basic right to do whatever you want. You could have argued cultural relativity. Similar to genital mutilation that’s a cultural right and ceremony in Africa (although it’s dying out thanks to common sense).
Why not mass sterilization?! Your argument is fundamentally flawed.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 7:40 AM
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"Who decides who isn’t worthy?!"
Well that's the question isn't it?
I don't claim to have an answer. You seem to.
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Aug 21, 2024, 12:40 PM
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I believe any population control is wrong. I believe it should be easier and more encouraged to adopt. I think we need to quit glorifying and pushing sex everywhere in our society. If more people had less partners and only had sex with their wives/husbands, abortions would dramatically decrease. If abortion was outlawed, I guarantee you people would be more sexually responsible.
You are right, many people are not responsible parents but that doesn’t justify killing the unborn. It is a tough subject.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 1:16 PM
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You are still controlling the population by using any form of birth control, even if it is just good old abstinence.
One could argue there isn’t much difference in denying the life in the first place.
Also you didn’t address population control in animals. What’s the difference?
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 2:18 PM
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Why is incest a reason to OK abortion? The living yet unborn person is somehow a lesser human than one with unrelated parents? Similarly, why is rape a reason to end the life of an unborn human?
On the other hand, more than a few women find out at 12 to 20 weeks that the child is destined to be born unable to live and the ongoing pregnancy may also kill the mother? Would you want your daughter to carry a child that cannot live when carrying the child may kill the mother ? These sorts of decisions are best left to the parents and to physicians as opposed to politicos who almost everyone agrees agrees are only in a position of power for reasons of advancing personal political power? Will some women and docs make a decision you or I might not like? Of course they will.
Some women and their doctors make self serving decisions only for their own personal, self serving reasons? Of course they will. Should birth control be mandatory until couples are happily married? Well yes, but that is not the way human beings exist or have ever exist.
All the simple rules are less than 100% correct. Government and busybodies should mind their own #### business as long as people have sex without benefit of a accepting a lifetime obligation. Who among us makes that decision? Very #### few of us avoid sex until after a wedding.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 9:07 AM
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Your arrogance will have already caught up to you. Perhaps your ignorance will soon end gently.
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Your statement
Aug 21, 2024, 1:52 PM
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“how women should think and act” implies that is the only issue when in reality the only real issue is life or death of a human being that has no voice.
You don’t know what you don’t know so If you would have been aborted you wouldn’t miss being alive right. But I’m guessing you are glad your mother decided not to abort you.
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Re: Your statement
Aug 21, 2024, 1:55 PM
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“Your dad should have used a rubber”
Don’t act like you’ve never heard that one.
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Reality and science tell me it's a life. I don't know about your science.***
Aug 21, 2024, 2:28 PM
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 8:45 PM
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Reality and science vs. blind faith in an imaginary celestial dictator. It’s always enlightening when men opine on how women should think and act.
Said by a man that will not be going to heaven
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 9:27 PM
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So women have the right to kill children without impunity? Wow.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Just because it’s going on don’t make it right. At six weeks an embryo can be seen trying to escape a needle. That is sentience. A heartbeat means it is a life. It’s real simple; keep your legs closed or take precautions BEFORE having sex. I was really careful and didn’t have a child until I was 28 years old. My wife BEGGED at that point. I wanted to wait until 35. Yes, passion takes over. But it’s still easy to take precautions.
You know what hasn’t changed? Gods stance on EVERYTHING. Just because very TV show, commercial, and movie shows homosexual activities doesn’t mean God doesn’t hate the sin. Love the sinner but hate the sin.
Everyone’s jumping off a cliff. Does that mean it’s time to change and jump off?! Go ahead!
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Re: Crazy times we live in
Aug 21, 2024, 8:47 AM
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Technically speaking using protection is preventing a life.
If you are going to invoke your god, be consistent.
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This is the most idiotic comment I have ever seen. EVER.***
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Aug 21, 2024, 1:10 PM
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Re: This is the most idiotic comment I have ever seen. EVER.***
Aug 21, 2024, 1:12 PM
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So you are saying condoms and birth control haven’t denied any lives?
How many more people would be in the world without them?
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Hall of Famer [9055]
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HUGE difference in preventing potential vs KILLING an actual***
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Re: HUGE difference in preventing potential vs KILLING an actual***
Aug 21, 2024, 1:42 PM
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Birth control kills a living organism and prevents a human life, period.
That is taking matters into one’s own hands and not leaving it up to some deity.
So again, if someone wants to invoke a deity and claim moral superiority, be consistent.
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Hall of Famer [9055]
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By that insane logic, having sex at all prevents thousands of lives
Aug 21, 2024, 1:53 PM
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Only one sperm makes it to the egg first. The rest die.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:43 PM
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More like Unplanned-Parenthood!
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Crazy times is so true & scary
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Aug 20, 2024, 9:47 PM
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Since in the 50's we watched a President (IKE) drive by in an open convertible..in a small NC town we left the keys in the car ignition and doors unlocked at night..the phone was located in an indention in the wall and it was a 2-4 party using system where you asked operator to ring your call to whom you wanted to speak..cokes were in the small glass bottle and so tasty & full of coke!
Yep, you younguns missed out~
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Let 'em go ahead and do it. Fewer of them in the future.***
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Dynasty Maker [3483]
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I meant the vasectomies.***
Aug 20, 2024, 10:12 PM
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this would not exist but for....
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Aug 20, 2024, 11:26 PM
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the supreme court over turning roe v wade. Fox seems to be heavily on the warpath about it.
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Re: Crazy times we live in murder is legal!
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murder!!
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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I think abortion is a terrible thing for all involved but can't imagine being a 15 year old girl and pregnant (as one example). It is easy to be against it in the abstract but if you were in her shoes with few options the decision you make might be different. If all the folks who work so hard to ban abortion (seems they like government making decisions for individuals in some cases) would put the time and effort in areas like contraception, education and support of the individuals the issue who grow smaller.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Totally agree with your comments. Prevention is the key. I have commented on here many times about my belief in personal responsibility and that goes for this situation as well. When I was 17, my 18 year old girlfriend told me she was pregnant. An adult in my life at the time (not a relative) offered to pay for an abortion. There was no way that was even a consideration in my mind. This went on for about a week or two. I was ready to give up my plan of going to college and go to work at the Navy Yard in Charleston and “do the right thing”. Fortunately it never got to that conversation because she wasn’t pregnant so I never really found out what her thoughts were. She broke up with me shortly after, told me that I was going to Clemson and there would be plenty of girls there so I could find another one, and I haven’t seen her since. And she was right about Clemson. Met my wife there and we have been together over 40 years.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Many of us were lucky to not have been in that situation. I remember growing up in a Baptist church where a family professed to be pro-life until their 15 year old daughter got pregnant. It is a terrible decision/situation and I applaud you for your willingness to step up to the situation. I was pretty much a knuckle head back in the day (some on here think I still am) so not sure I would have been as courageous as you.
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Overturning Roe v Wade didn’t take away abortions. It gave the power to decide to the States. That’s where it belongs. Abortion is available in many states. The ruling on Roe v Wade was flawed. It gave federal power to a state issue. Why does no one else get this? I see people with esquire next to their name that don’t understand basic law. Maybe they don’t realize esquire means lawyer or Juris Doctor?! Well, it is the easiest doctorate to get. Three years of interpretation of law and you’re a JD. It’s the only subjective learning you can earn a doctorate.
From a scientific standpoint a 6 week old fetus has been seen trying to avoid the pain of a needle. That is sentience. At five weeks a heartbeat is present. At six weeks the neural tube closes, splits into three parts, and the brain is formed. A full term abortion consists of puncturing the fontanelle and vacuuming the brain out. The baby is then cut apart in the mother and vacuumed out.
Remember when Trump was debating Hillary and made the bold claim that full-term abortions would be supported by Democrats and become the norm? She scoffed at the notion. Behold, full-term abortions are real and supported by many. That is murder. I am a medical professional and would absolutely refuse a full-term abortion. My oath says to do no harm. Full term abortions would break that oath.
We can argue all we want about this issue. Facts are that nobody on here is going to change their minds. Most can’t debate without getting angry. Anger just pushes people deeper into their stance.
That’s part of the problem with modern day America. We can’t hold civil debates. The moment someone disagrees with the mainstream view they become an -ist or -ic. Racist. Xenophobic. I remember when discourse was the heart of academia. Today, if you have a conservative view, you’re cancelled. You’re a fear or hate monger. That is absolutism. Absolutism is a communist cornerstone. No one dare disagree with the powers that be.
I could keep going down the rabbit hole. I’m done. Feel what you feel. Believe what you believe. You’re entitled to that.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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I can't think of any reason why it should be a states' rights issue any more than slavery should have been one. Hopefully Dems will finally codify Roe into federal law if they win enough seats in November.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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You mean other than the tenth amendment?
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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You mean other than the tenth amendment?
He does not follow the constitution
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So you went to law school before you got your "medical professional" degree?***
Aug 21, 2024, 2:56 PM
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Found your needle anecdote rather unbelievable so gave it a search and couldn't find a single thing referring to it anywhere.
Mind sharing where you learned that?
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 21, 2024, 2:25 PM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens if abortion costs the Republicans yet another important election. Seems like Barry Goldwater was right:
"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible d*mn problem."
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 21, 2024, 4:04 PM
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A fetus has a detectable heartbeat at about 22 days. Most of us on the right call that a human life. Most on the left call that a mass of tissue. The party of science and intellect. Abortion on demand for "the life of the mother". I always picture a mom carrying her 2 month old across a street, and when a speeding car approaches, she drops the child and runs for her dear life.
Two contrasting angles on the phrase "This is my body". Christ said it referring to his guiltless sacrifice and liberal women spout it about their right to choose.
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Re: Crazy times we live in
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Aug 22, 2024, 10:06 AM
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with all the other issues on the table (war, inflation, immigration, etc) why would abortion be a your individual deciding factor??
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