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Clemson Conqueror [11641]
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NPR science denier: (Tries to) cast shade on CDC removal of COVID vax for kids
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May 27, 2025, 1:10 PM
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Another domino has fallen in the long-known medical fact that COVID-19 cases in children almost never result in serious consequences for infected kids.
Accordingly, about 3.25 years later, the CDC has removed COVID vaccines from the recommended list for children (and also for healthy pregnant women).
The pathetic National Propaganda Radio aka NPR does their best to embrace reactionary messaging by implying that the RFK Jr led HHS (to which the CDC is subordinated) is not ‘following expert opinion.’
No, the RFK Jr led HHS / CDC isn’t following the pro-vax Pfizer peeeemping ‘experts’; they are following the data aka the science.
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/05/27/nx-s1-5413179/covid-vaccine-children-pregnant-rfk-cdc
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Re: Nope. No impact on the kids.
May 27, 2025, 1:30 PM
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one of the saddest things I saw was my employer on a FaceTime with his father, gasping his last breaths like a gold fish out of water. He wanted me to say hi because we had met previously, and I think he also wanted me to understand what he was going through at the time,. His father died later that week, Watching him gulping his last breaths left quite a mark, I will never get that out of my head.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [108944]
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Had a covid claim where a lady died. Her husband was a long-haul trucker, and
May 27, 2025, 1:37 PM
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they had 3 kids, all under 10yo. Luckily the family was abe to step in and help with the children while the father managed to keep his trucking job.
I'll never forget their daughter came in the room when I was getting the husband's statement and said "My mommy died from covid". Like a 5yo daughter. And this man was trying to hold down a trucking job with 3 kids all under 10yo. He really was in a bad spot.
My dad died in a nursing home during the lockdown of nursing homes. He spiked a fever, and had to be put on oxygen. Next day we got him on hospice so we could visit, and he died 2 hours before we could see him. We asked them to test him for covid, as they insisted they had no covid cases. They refused and said you can't test someone after they pass away. That nurse was lying, we learned later. Death certificate says end-stage dementia, and that's that.
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Re: Had a covid claim where a lady died. Her husband was a long-haul trucker, and
May 27, 2025, 2:00 PM
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Sorry to hear that. We had the same shenanigans in Florida, they were underreporting COVID deaths while DeSantis was browbeating the CDC for political points. I am not sure what kind of points RTD thinks he is scoring here.
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Clemson Conqueror [11641]
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You mis-read the CDCs action - allow me to clarify for you
May 27, 2025, 7:14 PM
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First, please accept my condolences for the loss if your father. We had known since early 2022 that the protocol for care of COVID 19 patients should not have been lockdowns, especially for nursing home patients. Fortunately, large improvements in treatment therapies for COVID patients have been developed since 2021. These treatment/ therapeutic protocols are safer than prophylactic measures like the vax for all demographic groups other than (1) very old people -and- (2) already very unhealthy people.
Sadly, despite subsequent data that revealed the fallacy of COVID vax safety, there were many unrecognized deaths from the COVID vax.
The CDC’s own data recorded a spike in ‘COVID caused’ deaths within the first two weeks of having received the jab; although the CDC attributed this death-spike within the first two weeks for patients who got the jab, they didn’t offer an explanation if WHY the ‘COVID death’ rate had spiked relativeness to the level of COVID deaths among unvaccinated people (I.e., they didn’t offer control).
The CDC lied to everyone as far as COVID vax safety. We can only guess as to why their agenda was to deceive us.
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Getting back on topic …
The CDC, under RFK Jr’s leadership, stopped recommending the COVID vax for children.
Children is the first operative word.
CDC also stopped recommending COVID vax for healthy pregnant women.
Healthy is the second operative word.
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Again, my condolences for the tragedy in your family regarding your dad’s premature demise.
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Clemson Conqueror [11402]
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Well, the OP was commenting on whether or not kids needed vaccines. I think.***
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May 27, 2025, 3:24 PM
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Re: Well, the OP was commenting on whether or not kids needed vaccines. I think.***
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May 27, 2025, 7:16 PM
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Yes, you are correct.
Nevertheless, that doesn’t make any difference re the tragic, premature demise if Tiggity’s dad.
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You claim they didn't follow "expert opinion"
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May 27, 2025, 1:35 PM
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And you put it in quotes as if they actually said that. Nowhere in that article does the word "expert" appear.
There's this paragraph, which is a statement of fact.
The decision was apparently made without the usual input from independent outside advisers. Although independent advisers have been reconsidering the COVID vaccine recommendations, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices isn't scheduled to meet until later this month to make a recommendation.
Nothing in the article is there any science denying or casting shade. You made it up.
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NPR also quoted a few leaders from independent medical organizations
May 27, 2025, 1:49 PM
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After reporting what CDC and HHS said about “not” recommending” the vaccine for certain people.
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Re: NPR also quoted a few leaders from independent medical organizations
May 27, 2025, 7:19 PM
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Those were the ‘experts.’
Note that formal quote marks (I.e., “ …”) were not used. ( I’m not talking about you the one who did not recognize that detail.)
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So they did their job and presented both sides? What a moron.***
May 27, 2025, 9:10 PM
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Re: NPR science denier: (Tries to) cast shade on CDC removal of COVID vax for kids
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May 27, 2025, 1:48 PM
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The average COVID age of death was like 75, of course many of those died "with " COVID as opposed to "from" COVID. There is no reason now, nor was there ever, for children to be receiving this vaccination. Of course the easily propagandized crowd will disagree til the day they die, however I'd wager that few, if any, of them are continuing to give their kids this vaccination at this point.
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As a percentage above normal (deaths), middle aged people suffered
May 27, 2025, 2:20 PM
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the worst. 75yo people die all the time. That's what they do. It's "normal". 35-50yo people generally don't die, and that's abnormal. So when you look at excess deaths, it impacted middle aged people MORE than the elderly. This is what brought down life expectancy so much.
If you have 100,000 people normally dying between 70-80yo, and then covid hits and you have 120,000 old people die, that's 20% excess deaths, for that age group, and 20,000 covid deaths Likewise, if you have only 10,000 people who die normally between 40 and 50yo, and covid hits and 14,000 die, then you have 40% excess deaths among that age group, with only 4,000 covid deaths, versus 20,000 elderly covid deaths.
This is why everyone focused on the children. Children hardly ever die. If you have 100 children normally dying between 10-20yo, and then covid hits and you have 50 covid deaths in that age group of children for a total of 150, that's 50% excess mortality. Only 50 teenager deaths, versus 20,000 old people, and teenagers have over twice the excess mortality.
Now the mouth breathers will look and see 20K dead old people, maybe 4k dead 40-50yo people, and only 50 10-20yo and they will think it's not dangerous or bad for children.
Interesting side note (won't go into why), but did you know this past flu season, at the peak, we had 2/3 as many people in SC hospitalized FROM the flu, than we had at the all-time peak of covid. That's the most people hospitalized from the flu, at any given week, going back to 2003 and earlier. And yet no one ever heard this, it was never mentioned, never covered, never questioned. This past flu season was the busiest for hospitals and hospitalizations, in SC, this century. By a large margin.
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Clemson Conqueror [11641]
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I had RSV in December. Influenza in January. Covid a month ago.
May 28, 2025, 12:14 PM
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Of those three, covid was the least severe illness.
RSV hospitalization rates (in adults) are 9 times what they were in 2018. Last year saw the most people hospitalized with influenza in SC than any time this century (never made the news). The CDC even had to change their flu map, adding another color for influenza levels, when the entire map turned red. They added a purple color for the worst states, as they were all red. This was 2 years ago btw.
I'm sure you'll figure it out someday.
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Re: I had RSV in December. Influenza in January. Covid a month ago.
May 28, 2025, 5:37 PM
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Maybe one day the Cleveland Clinic will figure it out, too.
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Re: NPR science denier: (Tries to) cast shade on CDC removal of COVID vax for kids
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May 27, 2025, 2:11 PM
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I don’t think I’ll ever understand the pressure and urge to downplay COVID and scandalize the world’s response to it. I get the anti-establishment sentiment being en vogue, this just seems like such a strange place for people who have literally no clue what they’re talking about to have planted their flags.
Oh well.
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Re: NPR science denier: (Tries to) cast shade on CDC removal of COVID vax for kids
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May 28, 2025, 4:54 PM
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I don't downplay COVID at all, but I definitely disagree with some of the government's responses. I didn't think the US needed to spend more on Covid than on WWII (inflation adjusted).
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Re: NPR science denier: (Tries to) cast shade on CDC removal of COVID vax for kids
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May 28, 2025, 6:18 PM
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The government made it a priority and took on a massive and novel challenge, and I think it’s fine and right to critique the response, but I think some people lose the forest for the trees on the subject and don’t appreciate how much worse it could have been.
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Re: NPR science denier: (Tries to) cast shade on CDC removal of COVID vax for kids
May 28, 2025, 5:56 PM
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There seems to be some problem in how the apologists for the health authorities don’t understand the rising tide of public distrust of those same health authorities.
I’ll try again.
If any entity blatantly lies (engages in multilayered schemes to fool the public) multiple times, yet the majority of times that same entity had not been lying, then does that entity deserve the absolute trust from the public?
Is skepticism about the messaging from an entity with a track record of lying (again ,not just being wrong after a best effort, but having engaged in sophisticated outright lying schemes), is that skepticism wrong?
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The threshold for being a skeptic is not whether the entity in question has been of truthful intent for 90% of the time, with ‘only’ having blatantly lied 10% of the time.
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You’ve chosen to redirect the discussion from the pervasive dishonesty surrounding our health authorities and the medical professionals who incuriously followed that advice (which is in effect making excuses) -instead- of being active in seeking major reform for the health agencies.
Where is the admission from the agencies / agency leaders of that time for intentionally lying to the public? Where is the repentance (‘we are sorry to have worked so hard to deceive you’)?
No reasonable person will simply lose their skepticism (aka forgive the health agencies) without first getting an admissi9n from then and next asking for forgiveness.
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Re: NPR science denier: (Tries to) cast shade on CDC removal of COVID vax for kids
May 28, 2025, 6:16 PM
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You’re wrong on a fundamental level, nothing you’ve written above is accurate or frankly even serious. You’ve allowed misinformation, unsourced or poorly sourced blogs, a series of grifters with MDs selling a product, social media, and your own anti-establishment bias to CONVINCE you beyond reconciliation that you were lied to, misled, mistrusted, or whatever other form your victimhood takes on the particular day.
The public health infrastructure around the world responded in ASTONISHING speed to a novel virus that wreaked havoc on the entire world. The fact that you seem so callous to those who died or peddle conspiracies about inflated death numbers is another issue. The vaccine technology was deployed with an incredibly accurate vaccine in jaw-dropping time for a coronavirus, something that has never been accomplished before. Healthcare workers across the globe sacrificed, worked under insane conditions, and responded to the crisis nobly and intelligently, coming up with algorithms for management of a disease nobody had ever treated before.
You will ignore this of course, instead hung up on the ridiculous complaint that the treatment has side effects and didn’t save 100% of lives, or that everyone didn’t instantly have all the answers, to that I can only suggest you grow up and quit acting like a naive child. THIS is what I mean when I say you know nothing about this subject. You don’t know the very first tiny thing about human pathophysiology, let alone the balls to use your skills to help sick people in need, yet you want to wax poetic on things you don’t understand.
I would suggest consulting your twitter wellness shamans or gateway pundit when you get sick or need surgery, but I think we both know you don’t really believe any of the stuff you say about the evil cabal of medicine and doctors.
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Hopefully NPR will cease to exist in a few months.***
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May 27, 2025, 2:56 PM
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"BAN EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE"
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May 27, 2025, 3:17 PM
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because I'm a little edgelord poooswah
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I think NPR should continue to exist, but there definitely should be a way to
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May 27, 2025, 3:27 PM
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"force" them to hire at least one Republican : - )
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Paw Master [17333]
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They exist like other news outlets.
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May 27, 2025, 5:39 PM
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I sure as hell can want to ban leftist propaganda if my tax dollars are paying for it. Do whatever the fk you want to do with your own money.
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Seven cents of your tax dollars each year goes to NPR. Seven.
May 28, 2025, 12:18 PM
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You absolute giant baby. I'll mail you a dime each year if that's an issue.
Yet you'll support a Trump yam tit-sucking military parade that will cost far more.
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Clemson Conqueror [11402]
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Well, the point is that government funded radio/reporting should be unbiased
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May 28, 2025, 4:04 PM
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and NPR is not.
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Re: Seven cents of your tax dollars each year goes to NPR. Seven.
May 28, 2025, 6:14 PM
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Why pay even 7 cents to support a news entity that has long refused to provide unbiased news?
At least when a private sector news entity engages in biased news, the consumer has the decision about whether or not to keep paying for it.
With NPR, the government forces the citizens to pay for it.
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I'll send a dime a year to get over it. A quarter to quit your b!tching about it***
May 28, 2025, 7:52 PM
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More generally on the topic of vaccines
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May 28, 2025, 5:02 PM
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A doctor told me this week that their opinion of vaccines has changed over the years. Her approach now is not to necessarily follow the 'usual' vaccination routine, but to use them more in a response mode.
The context was whether or not I needed a tetanus shot after getting a laceration.
I found it interesting that she went out of her way to explain this. It might have been because I had my MAGA hat on! LOL, just kidding. She had no idea of my political leanings. 
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Re: More generally on the topic of vaccines
May 28, 2025, 6:08 PM
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I too have noticed that my various physicians (one PCP and most of the other specialists) have gradually evolved from being automatic acolytes of what the government health authorities had recommended to being cautious and willing to engage in substantive dialogue about the risk vs reward aspects.
My wife has had the same experience. She s-canned her rheumatologist after he went all authoritarian on the vax; he was also aggressively soliciting her to take part in a clinical trial for a new medicine to potentially take the place of her existing (works very well) medicine.
I s-canned one of my specialists who clearly had not been keeping up with the rising tide negative revelations swirling around the COVID vax and the ongoing coverup of those ill effects by the health agencies to which she had apparently given her unquestioned allegiance.
The above ‘attitude’ adjustment among (most of) the physicians with which my family uses has been quite interesting.
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Re: More generally on the topic of vaccines
May 28, 2025, 6:23 PM
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LOL dear god dude, I don’t think I’ve had admitted all this if I was you. I’m sure your doctor was DEVASTATED to you lose you as a patient.
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You shouldn't frequent websites that are beyond your comprehension
May 28, 2025, 9:51 PM
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Maybe that Highlights magazine they keep at pediatrician's offices has a political section on their website. That might be more of an intellectual fit for you.
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