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Rock Defender [54]
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So pubs have run two moderates in a row (and yes,
Nov 7, 2012, 8:43 AM
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libs, by typical Pub standards, they were moderates).
The approach has flopped.
In this most recent election Romney basically created Obamacare, had no desires to touch Social Security, and for the most part didn't even bring up the traditional red meat conservative social issues.
Still lost.
I'm not quite sure what the answer is for Pubs....I think a more traditional conservative candidate (not that there were any to choose from this past time) would have lost worse. It really seems like people care more about the candidates jersey than any discussion points, and right now the Dems are the Pittsburgh Steelers of the political world...more people like em than not.
Just thinking out loud here....short of Joe Biden being the Dem nominee in 2016, I think it'll take a major cultural shift for Pubs to not find themselves in the same situation as last night......needing EVERYTHING to go perfectly to get the electoral college.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Obviously you should have run the conservative.
Nov 7, 2012, 8:44 AM
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Don't sweat it, though, I'm sure Santorum and Gingrich will be back...
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All-In [30522]
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Look for Rubio to step up.***
Nov 7, 2012, 8:48 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Think you missed me saying they would have flopped
Nov 7, 2012, 8:50 AM
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worse. I'm not obtuse enough to be chanting "We needs a troo conservative!". I thought that was the answer to McCain...I don't think it was even close to the answer last night.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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No, that response was to the "we need a real conservative"
Nov 7, 2012, 8:55 AM
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mantra expressed here so often. My other response is to you.
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All-In [40970]
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Bush and Romney were definitely not my choice in the primary
Nov 7, 2012, 8:44 AM
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s. Way to fiscally moderate for me.
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Know-it-all [2004]
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Or they could stop saying dumb shi****
Nov 7, 2012, 8:46 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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The dumbshitometer was pretty balanced this past time.
Nov 7, 2012, 8:48 AM
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If saying dumb sh## mattered, Obama would have lost in a landslide due to people being terrified about Biden being next in line.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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I think Pubs will have a much better field to choose from
Nov 7, 2012, 8:49 AM
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in 2016, and the Dems will be on the offensive to find a new star. Depending on what happens over the next four years, I warn the GOP if they think Paul Ryan is that guy, then good luck. Anyone with a pulse could see this year's GOP field was flawed.
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All-TigerNet [12259]
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not flippant here
Nov 7, 2012, 8:51 AM
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think a black conservative Pub would fare better?
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Rock Defender [54]
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Long winded analogy.....If the CPG employees got to vote on
Nov 7, 2012, 8:54 AM
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giving themselves raises every 4 years, and you knew it would ultimately bankrupt GHS, but not in your lifetime, you'd probably find more people than not being all for it.
I think we're in that situation as an electorate.
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All-TigerNet [12259]
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Benjamin Franklin, that you?
Nov 7, 2012, 9:07 AM
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yep, you will have that voting group, but I still wonder how much vote along racial lines, white or black or brown
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: Benjamin Franklin, that you?
Nov 7, 2012, 9:09 AM
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How was Mitt Romney's platform moderate in any way. He was to the right of Bush in virtually every way.
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Rock Defender [54]
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"Keep the good parts of Obamacare", "Don't touch
Nov 7, 2012, 9:11 AM
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Social Security" vs Bush's privatization plan, "More federal funding for public education" vs Bush's vocal education decentralization.
What election were you watching?
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: "Keep the good parts of Obamacare", "Don't touch
Nov 7, 2012, 10:17 AM
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one where I really had no idea where Governor Romney stood at any point throughout
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Rock Defender [54]
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So you didn't really know if he was right of Bush.***
Nov 7, 2012, 10:49 AM
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Walk-On [149]
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Re: So you didn't really know if he was right of Bush.***
Nov 7, 2012, 10:51 AM
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He said he was
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All-In [38514]
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The Democrats have done a better job winning the ideological
Nov 7, 2012, 8:51 AM
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divide. As long as the Dems racial (primarily) and gender (secondary) divide carries votes the Republicans will suffer.
But in the end, people want stuff and will vote for whoever promises them the most. Actually getting what was promised really doesn't matter.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Serious answer, Obed. Think about whether you can
Nov 7, 2012, 8:54 AM
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differentiate between moderate and pragmatic. Can you live with governance over ideology? What is "fiscal conservatism" to you (and the GOP)? Do you really believe in supply-side economics? Really?
The nation was wide open for some change, and a really strong leader could not only have taken the WH from the dems, but may well have driven a change in the Senate as well.
Two ways nations change. Evolution, or revolution. Revolution is only good if your side wins, and it's still painful. Evolution can be shaped and guided, but only through wisdom, not impatience.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Good points, but I think they're too granular. We're
Nov 7, 2012, 9:00 AM
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a different society than we were a decade ago......social media and instantaneous news cycles mean groupthink and kneejerk opinions are the norm nowadays, not the exception. Right now more people are dems, and I think it's just as much that they think it's stodgy and antiquated to be a Republican than it is any real ideological reason to be a Dem.
Are there Pubs who are Pubs for the same pitiful reason? Sure, but I don't think the tide is in their favor.
Bottom line, I really think we're unfortunately past laying out agendas and ideologies and winning people over. It's about marketing, and our advertising agency is getting it's ### kicked.
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All-In [38514]
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Ideology wins elections.
Nov 7, 2012, 9:05 AM
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Ideology is what is marketed. Democrats are winning the ideological battle.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Berating your opponent's strawmanned ideology is
Nov 7, 2012, 9:07 AM
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not marketing your own ideology, but it sure worked.
Like I said I think a large portion of dems are people who just don't want to be pubs.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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When the Pubs get off their far right social kick, then I
Nov 7, 2012, 9:10 AM
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think you have a good point. They alienate alot of folks with all that religious babble and intrusion into people's personal lives while at the same time trying to tout themselves as the "small govn't" people that don't want to bother you. It is kinda hypocritical.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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All-TigerNet [12259]
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that would work if
Nov 7, 2012, 9:10 AM
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1 you didn't have to wait 4 years to fire your provider
2 outcome of services provided could be directly attributed to the provider and blame not deflected to another entity
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Orange Blooded [2425]
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Sadly you have to appeal to emotion rather than competency.
Nov 7, 2012, 11:04 AM
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How do you think Obama won?
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