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If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?
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If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 3:55 PM

Like Clemson, UCLA is a public university, a football school, and also missed out on the 2019 and 2020 NCAA Tournaments.

Look at this magical run they are going on, from being in the First Four to playing for a chance to go to the Final Four tonight.

Their basketball history is pretty similar to ours.

If they can do it, why can't we?!?

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Sorry Judge,, no, UCLA is not a football school


Mar 30, 2021, 3:57 PM

at all... not since Gary Beban...

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The Rose Bowl is their home stadium.


Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM

It seats over 90,000 fans and is one of the largest stadiums in the world.

They are a football school.

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Re: The Rose Bowl is their home stadium.


Mar 30, 2021, 4:23 PM

Haven't been a football school in a very long time. They have some issues overall. It really comes down to recruiting, the admissions department is a pain, the administration and boosters don't care that much about football, so football just isn't a priority. UCLA games kind of suck. The atmosphere is weak. There is no juice to it. It's not a big deal like it is at USC where they have the funds, the facilities, and the admissions is no problem.

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No they aren’t


Mar 30, 2021, 5:40 PM [ in reply to The Rose Bowl is their home stadium. ]

I grew up out there rooting for the Bruins. My dad is a UCLA grad. Donahue had some gritty teams in the 80s but they are a basketball school first and foremost.

The Rose Bowl is great but it is a pain to get to and not on campus. Very different atmosphere there.

That being said, Clemson should expect more from its basketball team.

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Re: The Rose Bowl is their home stadium.


Mar 30, 2021, 7:33 PM [ in reply to The Rose Bowl is their home stadium. ]

So you’re just a parody account now. Lest anyone take your bs at face value - The Rose Bowl was built in the 20s. UCLA didn’t become a tenant until the 80s. The haven’t won a national title since the 1950s. In 2019 they averaged less than 44,000 fans - the least since they started playing at the Rose Bowl. Not sure what defines a “football school” besides whatever is convenient for defending Brownell but UCLA as one is a pretty freaking low bar.

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142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


All we need to do is hire our own John Wooden


Mar 30, 2021, 3:59 PM

I don't know why D-Rad can't handle that simple task. ;)


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Mar 30, 2021, 4:16 PM



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Mar 30, 2021, 8:33 PM

Then get a coach

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 4:03 PM

Big whiff

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I'm sorry you are content being an ACC cellar dweller


Mar 30, 2021, 4:17 PM

in basketball.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 4:53 PM [ in reply to Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson? ]

I'm digging what the Judge is laying down. I'm enjoying this thread.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 4:58 PM [ in reply to Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson? ]

I... ok

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 4:07 PM

That was one of your better trolls.

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so in this alternate reality, John Wooden


Mar 30, 2021, 4:11 PM

never left Indiana? :)

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Or was actually punished for his rampant cheating***


Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM



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Re: Or was actually punished for his rampant cheating***


Mar 31, 2021, 9:07 AM

always wondered if he knew exactly what was going on... or how much he knew?

he had to know something, didn't he?

did he choose to ignore it?

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Either willful ignorance or plausible deniability...He had


Mar 31, 2021, 2:49 PM

to know SOMETHING, Sam Gilbert wasn't just out there acting like a rouge operative

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Mar 30, 2021, 4:17 PM



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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 4:18 PM

Why would u make that comparison
Clemson could be much better in basketball after 11 years I have no use for Brownell. He can't get it done Clemson needs a strong recruiter offensive minded coach.

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I made the comparison because it's a good one.


Mar 30, 2021, 4:19 PM

Why can't we be just as good as UCLA?

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Similar History? I hope I'm missing sarcasm here


Mar 30, 2021, 4:20 PM

UCLA - 11 National Championships

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Thank you


Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

I was wondering if anyone here remembered guys like Lew Alcindor or Bill Walton. I didn't want to be the one to remind everyone that UCLA is the bluest of bloods in basketball. Maybe not to this generation, but for my generation, it was UCLA and the rest of the field, and you would do well to take UCLA most of the time if you were a betting man.

I usually just browse your boards and if something interests me, I'll post and sometime the Judge gets hammered pretty hard on here to the point of unfairness, but its y'alls board, so who am I to judge. I was a little surprised when he threw out "similar histories" when referring to UCLA and Clemson basketball, and that is in no way a dig at Clemson basketball. But UCLA is, uh, well, UCLA. Where John Wooden, the Wizard of Westwood resided. Maybe recent history is similar, but UCLA is a sleeping giant in basketball.

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Mar 30, 2021, 8:37 PM



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Re: Similar History? I hope I'm missing sarcasm here


Mar 30, 2021, 5:41 PM [ in reply to Similar History? I hope I'm missing sarcasm here ]

Right, and ten of those were within a 12-year timeframe.

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Mar 30, 2021, 8:37 PM [ in reply to Similar History? I hope I'm missing sarcasm here ]



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I must be getting old...


Mar 30, 2021, 4:20 PM

For some reason I can't remember our 17 trips to the Final Four and 11 National Championships.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 4:28 PM

Did you know that John Wooden only made the NCAA tournament three times in first 11 years. Really only 3 times in his first 13 years! He did not even win over 20 games in 8 of those years. Often only getting 16 or so wins a season and 8-9 losses - and went 10-6 in conference to boot.

I bet the UCLA admin never accepted such mediocrity

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 4:49 PM



~JKB

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Coaching?***


Mar 30, 2021, 4:59 PM



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Mar 30, 2021, 5:04 PM

Their basketball history is pretty similar to ours?

How so?

UCLA won ELEVEN (11) National Championship in men's hoops between 1964 and 1995, they finished runner-up twice (1980 and 2006), and made the Final Four eighteen (18) times. Heck...they've made fifty (50) NCAA Tournament appearances.

John Wooden was one of the best coaches in college basketball history and under his leadership, UCLA was one of the nations most elite programs year in and year out.

Six former UCLA players have been named to the Hall of Fame including Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Reggie Miller, Gail Goodrich, Jamaal Wilkes, Bill Walton and Don Barksdale.

How in world is that even remotely similar to Clemson ?!?!?!




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Mar 30, 2021, 8:38 PM



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In what universe is our Basketball History similar? Did you


Mar 30, 2021, 5:05 PM

mean to post USC instead?

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No, I was being sarcastic since every successful team


Mar 30, 2021, 8:36 PM

in the NCAA Tournament this year gets one of these posts.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 5:20 PM

1. Location - Los Angeles will have more talent that is skipped over than the best that the State of SC has total

2. Recruiting dollars - go much further when you don't have to leave a 200 mile radius

3. Their basketball history is pretty similar to ours?!? Seriously?

The UCLA Bruins men's basketball program has won a record 11 NCAA titles. Coach John Wooden led the Bruins to 10 national titles in 12 seasons, from 1964 to 1975, including seven straight from 1967 to 1973. UCLA went undefeated a record four times (1964, 1967, 1972, and 1973). Coach Jim Harrick led the team to another NCAA title in 1995. Former coach Ben Howland led UCLA to three consecutive Final Four appearances from 2006 to 2008 - remind me again how many times have we won the ACC Tourney?

4. Rick Barnes, Oliver Purnell - two SHINING examples of coaches who left because they saw that the administration would NEVER support basketball as anything other than an after thought.

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Of course you’re being a smartasss...but what you say is actually pretty accurate.

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Mar 30, 2021, 5:34 PM

In the minds of basketball recruits and current players, our histories are about the same.

UCLA has not won a championship since before these guys were born.

Recruits these days don’t care about history.
That’s what we heard in the years before Dabo got things rolling. Things like “these kids do not care about the 1981 championship.”

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 5:39 PM

UCLA was terrible prior to the arrival of John Wooden. They are a clear example of how the right coach can turn around any program!

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 6:00 PM

Easy answer our coach ! Brad Brownell !!

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Despite all of the jokes and sarcasm, Clemson can be better


Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

in basketball than we have traditionally been, including better than we've been under Brownell, and it starts when we start believing it and quit with all of the excuses and reasons why it's just too hard at Clemson.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 8:05 PM

Lmao!! Just start dunking on Clemson basketball and brownell and all of the sudden our “fans” will start loving Clemson basketball.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 30, 2021, 8:27 PM

And I'm betting their fans are asking: if Clemson can be this good at football, why can't we??

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I actually took you off ignore after the Tigers


Mar 30, 2021, 8:33 PM

Went one and done in the ACC tournament. Just to see if your trolling had improved.

This poor attempt tops all others. This is even worse than the orange overall thread.

See you in the funny papers.

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What's funny is that a majority of people who posted here


Mar 30, 2021, 8:36 PM

thought I was serious.

So this attempt at trolling was pretty good.

I wasn't trolling about orange overalls.

HTH.

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that’s easy


Mar 30, 2021, 8:36 PM

coaching

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Mar 30, 2021, 8:38 PM



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Mar 30, 2021, 8:41 PM



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Mar 30, 2021, 8:46 PM



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Mar 30, 2021, 9:00 PM



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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 31, 2021, 7:42 AM

Um...They've won 11 national titles in basketball.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 31, 2021, 7:54 AM

Again I’m so happy Dabo never adopted this loser mentality, thinking that just because “we never had before we cannot in the future”. When Dabo took over Clemson football, our glory days were just a faded memory. He built a culture of winning around his own vision and discarded any roadblocks from the past. Basketball can do the same you just need the right guy with a vision and a plan. Brownell has neither

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 31, 2021, 7:55 AM

UCLA is the top Public school in the country, in one of the most progressive counties in the country, And it is dang near impossible to get into due to high application rates. It is sitting on one of the most beautiful campuses in America, Flanked by Santa Monica, Malibu, Los Angeles, Bel-aire, and Beverly Hills.

Yeah, but kids should be flocking to Clemson right? They can go hang out at the Anderson Mall, or spend the day in Century city checking out the models. Should be a no-brainer.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 31, 2021, 8:13 AM

I hear you but if I’m choosing LA vs Clemson it would easily be Clemson. I do realize a lot of kids don’t feel that way.

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Same, but I am adult with some perspective


Mar 31, 2021, 8:19 AM

I lived in los angeles for 10 years, I can't say I want to go back now. But if I were 18 again, it would be an easy choice.

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Re: Same, but I am adult with some perspective


Mar 31, 2021, 8:23 AM

No I understand. Most young basketball players would prefer LA. I’m just an old fart country boy.

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Re: Same, but I am adult with some perspective


Mar 31, 2021, 8:27 AM

nothing wrong with that. Like I said, been there done that, You would have to pay me a lot of money to move back there, and even then I probably wouldn't.

I actually moved to the middle of the everglades when I came back east, I lived 20 miles from a paved road for 2 years after that and loved every day of it. it beat listening to helicopters buzzing my roof every night.

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Re: Same, but I am adult with some perspective


Mar 31, 2021, 8:38 AM

You’re talking my language now. Sounds like an awesome place!!
I have a small farm about 15 miles from Clemson. . I consider it heaven on earth.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 31, 2021, 2:59 PM [ in reply to Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson? ]

My, how you gave changed over the years,at least in this regard. Once upon a time you came on here and posted that you were sick of hearing Clemson wasn't urban or progressive enough to attract top talent. Go ahead and apply some spin if you want to.

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Re: If UCLA can be this good at basketball, why not Clemson?


Mar 31, 2021, 8:22 AM

Um, study the Wizard of Westwood and UCLA's basketball history...? Surprised you're not aware of this.

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