So in the same thread.....you argued

Single game tickets seem like the way to go this year.

BigTiger_Fan · 2021-08-10T13:43:15.223Z

I just don't see this season going all the way through at full capacity. Anyone got some sunshine to pump on that front?

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Oh, it will. And you won't have to wear a mask.

Aug 10, 2021, 9:54 AM

Full capacity. That's already the law. Clemson University doesn't have a choice in the matter since they take state tax dollars.

Freedom...something something......Murica....

Now you have to be 21 to buy tobacco, and now you have to have a breathalyzer in your next new car. Same principle and mechanism used federally, in that example. Hate it either way, either party, any issue. It's a matter of principle. Using tax dollars to force safety measures, or allow irresponsibility, either way, it's wrong. Hated it when the drinking age was changed to 21 in the 1980's, ALSO attached to a massive infrastructure bill. They didn't have the votes in Congress, nor did all the states support the increase. So force it with tax dollars. Same for the 21yo tobacco age, that came as a string attached to the covid relief bill, the first one. Now we've added breathalyzers to cars, thanks to the latest bill. And the SC legislature has outlawed Clemson's ability to limit capacity at football games or require masks, or to effective run their University as they may see fit, same for USC. Same mechanism. Clemson now doesn't have the CHOICE. It's bad, and some people can't see the bad principle because they're fine using it if it suits THEIR beliefs. That's what's so sinister about it.

It's like rich parents who force things with their kids by holding money over their heads. Those kids generally end up ditching the parents, or washed up drug addicts, in jail, or all of the above. You can force someone not to do something just as easily as you can force them TO do something, with money. We are becoming "those kids".

Worst part, it's debt at the federal level anyway. They (federal and state governments) are forcing policy on people using their own money, or even money they will somehow owe later. It's not coming from a vote on the policy, but on money for something good, and with that you can deprive a freedom. There's a very good reason we didn't have an income tax for half the existence of our country. We're slowly learning why. The power and control that gives the government is intoxicating. It allowed us to fight and win WW2. It allowed for so much good, but then as with all things, evil crept in, which is why you don't do it to begin with. So we now use debt to buy more and more compliance. And we legislate our economy to make sure that debt stays cheap. Keep lowering rates, more debt you can spend, more compliance you can buy. And the compliance legislated into existence in these appropriations bills, NEVER comes out until it's passed, or almost passed. No one knew schools couldn't mandate masks in SC no matter what, until AFTER the legislature passed the budget. Wasn't even mentioned. And all of a sudden, when the infrastructure bill is about to pass, only now do we learn of the breathalyzer requirements. There will be more in there I'm sure. We have to pass it to see what's in it, right Nancy? Henry?

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will get sick(er), and take up a hospital bed. And when grandma gets a nasty UTI, chest pains, whatever, there won't be a hospital bed for her. Or when junior gets in a bad car accident when he first gets his driver's license, well, that ICU bed won't be there. Or if the bed is there, the staff will not give him or her the same care, as they're busy with covid patients.

Florida is shining a bright light on the fact that even with 50% of people vaccinated (less in SC btw), there's plenty of room left for the virus to cripple hospitals and medical care. A full hospital is more deaths, to vaccinated or unvaccinated people, from many causes. Few people realize about 144,400 MORE people died in 2020, than just the covid deaths. Why? Those excess, excess deaths came in periods of high covid hospitalizations, not when we shut down. They came from people not having access to quality medical care when the country was in bad shape with covid. The gap between covid deaths, and total excess deaths spiked in bad covid months. It's less than the covid deaths, but it's there because hospitals were full and medical care was impacted.

Many people don't, or can't, look at the situation this way. They can't see past themselves, but this impacts us all, and our personal decisions impact others. The chart below shows (just 2020 btw) the number of total excess deaths, then the number of covid deaths. There is a large gap between the total excess numbers, and covid deaths, in some states more than others. The numbers speak for themselves. Full hospitals are bad for us ALL. When they're full, all of the other stuff that kills people daily becomes more deadly than it would otherwise be.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778361