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Republicans won't allow Elon Musk to appear before the House Oversight
Feb 5, 2025, 12:00 PM
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and Reform Committee to answer questions about his activity. On a side note, James Comer doesn't appear to be the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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Lulz at his "vote" at the end.
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"All the ayes?" "AYE!"
"All the nays?" "NO!" (very obviously louder than the ayes)
"The ayes have it!"
What a bunch of clownshit.
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Re: Lulz at his "vote" at the end.
Feb 5, 2025, 12:10 PM
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That was hilarious.
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The Republican Congress has become a collection of white eunuchs.
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Trump/Musk are doing their best to ingratiate themselves to China and Russia and this Congress seems willing to assist.
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Say what?
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Re: Say what?
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Feb 5, 2025, 12:23 PM
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patriots
got trump reelected
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But, you do agree that James Comer looks like he attempted more headers
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Feb 5, 2025, 12:27 PM
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than a human brain can safely tolerate.
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+1 for honest fascist response***
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Re: +1 for honest fascist response***
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Goose stepping practice at 3
Drowning puppies at 4
Applebees at 5
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After stepping on the goose and***
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Re: +1 for honest fascist response***
Feb 5, 2025, 9:16 PM
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When is your child-molesting scheduled. There's more than a few child molestors in that J6 crowd.
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Elections have consequences - Obammy***
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Re: Republicans won't allow Elon Musk to appear before the House Oversight
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Boo hoo. POS Dem policians who are getting hit in the pocketbook by all of this can't get the guy doing it to stop what he's doing to come sit in front of them and get called names because he stopped their grift. No wonder the board trash is so upset.
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You don't see this as all about the Trump/Musk grift? It's not like they
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don't have a well known history of sucking US tax payers' t e e t s.
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How much have they taken??***
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silence because he has no idea***
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NJDEV..Is Musk in the White Hat club too?
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Does he know?
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The trimming of gov't isn't a bad thing.
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Doing it with an axe rather than a scalpel will come back to haunt us.
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Honestly, good. We deserve every bit of pain we
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Feb 5, 2025, 2:57 PM
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get over the next 4 years. We chose this. Hopefully we will do better next time.
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just wait
Feb 5, 2025, 4:12 PM
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till the GDP Numbers print....lol
cliff diving
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Yep and Musk has the potential to be operating in his OWN best interests
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Rather than the country’s best interests. Same can be said for any private citizen or enterprise _ MIC, big Pharmaceutical, big Oil, the Banking and Finance industries, big Agriculture / food, etc. Let’s not kid ourselves, most people including Tropical operate in their own best interests.
Kind of defines why some “oversight” is not a bad idea.
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Re: Yep and Musk has the potential to be operating in his OWN best interests
Feb 5, 2025, 9:01 PM
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Just how much more ufcking money do you think Elon believes he needs?
Think about it.
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Without transparency, how do you know what he's doing? His word?
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"trust me, bro?"
He's a goverment employee (Musk), part of the deep state now based on you guy's definitions, so wouldn't you want to know what all this government employee is doing with your SS#?
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They've been pretty transparent though...
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Pretty easy to follow what they're doing, in most part, because he posts it. This is the most transparent the government has been in quite some time.
There's autists all over the internet going ham right now.
Check this autist out: https://x.com/DataRepublican
Website: https://datarepublican.com/award_search/?keywords=clemson
Pretty slick UI and DB to search grants, NGOs, etc. that are coming out of all this.
How much more transparent do you want?
Ok, fair...Musk wants to put the US Treasury on a block chain. Which we should all be for, because that's as transparent as you can get....
I apologize for my confusion there, but I'm not seeing a lack in transparency.
Who's you guys? MAGAt crayon eating autist Trump voters? BroVoters? Whiteboyengineers? Or is that just a catch all for those of us not licking Establishment boots?
My understanding of the "deep state" is that it's a representation of career, unelected bureaucrats who are able to impose policy and regulatory decisions via executive branch authority throughout their respective agencies/departments.
If that is in fact the definition of "deep state", then I'd argue that no, Elon would not fall into that category. He's the head autist, leading a bunch of other autists, auditing the government checkbook finding buckets of waste and areas for financial improvement.
My SS#, and yours, has likely been hacked and published throughout the web a dozen times. Pretending like this is a data privacy issue is a complete joke.
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"My SS# "likely" already been hacked so who cares"
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Is such a condemnation of the logic and rationalization you guys are forced to take on to make what Elon and Trump are doing make sense. I'd be embarrassed if I wrote that, but something tells me that's not a possibility with you (or any of the many other..."autists" parroting it).
But for the transparency argument, oh, I guess since Elon is supposedly "posting it," there's no need for oversight or transparency. I guess we are literally going with, "Trust me, bro." Bizarre defense.
Two definitions of deep state found on Wikipedia:
"Since at least 1963, the deep state has been used to describe "a hybrid association of government elements and parts of top-level industry and finance that is effectively able to govern the United States without reference to the consent of the governed as expressed through the formal political process."
"A deep state is a type of government made up of potentially secret and unauthorized networks of power operating independently of a state's political leadership in pursuit of their own agenda and goals."
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And Wikipedia is a CIA print... The irony.***
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If you wanna clutch your pearls
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Feb 5, 2025, 6:25 PM
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Over your SS# being stolen, by all means go for it bro. Lol.
Did you look through that data model I provided? How much more transparency do you need?
What other mechanism would you prefer?
Your problem appears to be with lack of oversight. That's a fair and warranted concern. But he's doing what he's tasked to do through the EO, which is what they said they'd do in the election cycle. Again - confused as to how youre all surprised.
Also, have you considered maybe this is what people voted for? Take a chainsaw to the government. I've been advocating for that since day 1.
I'm not getting into a ### for tat over what the deep state is. Not in my investment thesis - I'd argue Elon isn't it. He's an oligarch, if anything, which again...is a warranted and valid concern.
Stop tossing you guys around here bro. Might hurt yourself.
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Let's distill this down to bare bones:
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how, in any conceivable scenario, is a person with $15B of active federal contracts, put in charge of evaluating ALL federal expenditures, up to and including the sectors he's in (his companies AND his competition)? Or are we just assuming that he's not touching that stuff since he hasn't tweeted about it?
Just a monstrous conflict of interest, even more egregious than Trump wholly ignoring the emoluments clause.
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Ok. So now we have issues with conflicts of interest now?
Feb 5, 2025, 6:40 PM
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To put it in perspective, 15 stacks is ~5% of his net worth?
Again, that's a warranted concern. If he removed $1T from the budget pay him $15B more.
That's how MBB blowhards structure their deals all the time.
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So if he cuts dollars from agencies and programs, he's entitled so
Feb 5, 2025, 6:44 PM
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some percentage of the savings? What the shit is happening here? You're trolling, right?
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I guess you're not familiar with how management consulting works
Feb 5, 2025, 7:38 PM
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Lol.
I'm talking how real world deals are structured all across the Fortune 500. That's literally how MBB, the big D, the Accenture ####, etc. Structure savings jobs.
Ive done many of them...
As a taxpayer, I'm 1,000% on board with hiring someone to eliminate $1 TRILLION from the budget and pay them 1.5%. Any CEO would take that deal in a ####### heartbeat.
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Fella, I don't know what to tell you if you're honestly not trolling.
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If you don't understand the difference between KPMG evaluating and recommending things to be cut, and the head of a (questionably legal) federal agency looking at expenditures and deciding they're not worthwhile, AND deserving some percentage of the cuts he's making (not recommending for review by Congress/committee), then das vedanya, I guess, comrade.
Why do you suppose that Vladimir Putin is considered possibly the richest man on the planet, the only actual competition for the title that Musk and Bezos "officially" jockey for? Is it because Putin legally owns all of Russia's wealth? Or is it because he controls it with an iron fist and nobody dares challenge him?
Absolutely wild take here if you're being serious (which I'm not convinced of).
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Well it looks like we have good news and bad news
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The good news is we continue to establish more well-defined positions of understanding as we navigate this "new normal".
The bad news is we are about as far apart as we could possibly be. This gets back to my whole conversation around the concept that Red and Blue are the same. It's the same energy just pointed in a different vector. The actual difference to said energy is no energy. Ya dig?
It's quite frightening to me how blissfully ignorant many of you appear to be...dudes who I'd think I'd have similar approaches to life on. Crazy, yet perfectly explains how we got here.
The fact that you've now jumped to calling me a Russian in your oh-so-savvy simulation-esque response is hilarious to me. It kind of shows me you're out of cards to play. Which is fine. I know you're a good dude and we approach these topics, obviously now, from completely different angles and perspectives.
For example, I've run billion dollar cost reduction exercises for companies under incentive clauses for my firm. Running projects at this scale is nothing to me. This is common practice - and KPMG is weak AF, lol.
This has been my position since I've been old enough to vote: Take a ####### chainsaw to the Establishment in DC b/c it's a ####### money laundering house of cards and they're robbing tax payers blind.
Here's a post I made 3.5 years ago: https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/15-minute-noodling-around-29546509
Nothing in my view of the government has changed. I want to minimize government expenditures to maximize taxpayers cash on hand. Full stop. There's only way to do that - chainsaw muthfukkin city to all these parasite leachingass cocksuckermotherfuckers in Washington (K Street specifically). ####. Every. God. ####. Last. One. Of. Them. They're your enemy. Not me bro.
IDGAF about Putin. Russia is a complete joke. Equivalent of Newberry stealing our recruits. The only competent thing they have is rockets. That's it. Oh, and a bunch of regarded people who follow their government (looks like we share that with them). That's literally it. They're generations behind us in tech capabilities, generations behind us in engineering and applications of said tech. Their economy is a complete joke. So just stop it. You've really got to stop reading whatever it is you're reading (last time we played this game I ended up on a Maddow video, for example).
So stop coming at me with the same ######## you come at all these blowhard boomers about. Weak as ####, bro.
I will say it again. To be crystal clear. If there's a proposal for an organization to come into the US Government books and slash $1T, I will gladly pay them $15B. Any half-a-brained business person would make that deal. We're stakeholders as tax payers. We should be zeroing in where our dollars are going. Yet you guys are just blissfully ignorant.
To flip this back on you...since we've been all on me. And you've avoided most of my questions....
1- Why are we so mad at Elon for exposing all this waste of money and not directing said anger at the government for wasting our tax dollars? First it seemed you were upset about transparency. Then oversight. Now conflict of interests. And finally something in Russian I didn't understand. Hard to follow, if I'm being completely honest. Feels a little emotional.
2- Did you review the data model I provided? And you're still mad at me for sounding like a Russian? LOL, bro. Like c'mon....they're literally funneling money to the oligarch class leveraging grants and NGOs. Yet I'M the big bad Russian bear....lol. Stopppppppppp
3- How would you propose we do this? Hire more government regulators to investigate themselves? At what point in our modern history has this worked? You can't keep doing the same #### over and over again and expecting different results.
I hate this is buried so deep in a thread. Great conversation, and again, my main objective in engagement here is to establish a more concrete level of understanding with Clemson jounge bros that I like. I'd ask you show some respect in that regard, b/c I've barely slung any mud at any of you guys. Despite you guys coming at me w/ some cockamammy "you're a russian" ########. #### off w/ that weak ### clown #### bruh. You're cuaght up in the simulation, I get it. But stop. That gets us nowhere.
I'm not trying to change your perspective - clearly you guys are so brainwashed by the status quo that that's out of the question, but at least we could have rational, logical conversations to help each other find avenues to compromise and cohabitate.
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what a gem from 2021!
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"So if we meet in the middle, which will be dicey in and of itself given it's 2021, we'd first need to align on where to cut. That'll probably never be agreed to, so the next step is a moot point."
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You agree that the problem is lack of oversight (or see it as a fair concern)
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That's all I'm arguing, so we agree.
I'm not surprised he's doing what Trump tasked him with, there's a reason so many saw Trump winning as a threat and this is playing out exactly like predicted.
As for why people voted for him, can you point to any exit polls that showed a majority citing "I want him to take a chainsaw/destroy the federal government"? Most of the exit polls cited the economy as the #1 issue, he won b/c people were upset at inflation/grocery prices (even Trump says this) but so far he's only focused on Project 2025 nonsense and letting Elon do whatever the hell he wants.
If you're okay with an oligarch with clear conflicts of interests and no oversight getting his hands on your personal information, then I'd seriously have to question your rationale. Or at least try to understand why that doesn't seem to bother you. Something tells me if Kamala had done this you'd suddenly see how big of an issue it would be.
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What did he destroy?***
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He certainly appears to have autonomy
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I'm sure that was condition 1 of him helping. That's a double edged sword, for sure, and unfortunately we have to trust Bessent to check his reins (sounds like he's involved quite a bit as of today at supper).
I don't look at exit polls man. I know me and most of my buddies (the bro Vote) got on board when Doge, Tulsi, RFK jr, crypto policies all came together. Around august / Sept? This is exactly what I wanted to happen. Only I couldn't have dreamed it happened this fast.
It does bother me bro. But that happened before this, is my point. Pissin n moaning about the effects of the patriot act is a moot point now. All the oligarchs have all of my ####. I use android, I buy from and sell to Amazon, my wife uses Facebook, etc. Just freeze the credit scores and be done with it.
Once some one sees you naked, you might as well walk around with your balls out, right?
That's an unfair baity question...Kamala would never do this, she'd be signing spending bills. I did have issues with Bill Gates et Al in covid, but oddly enough that made me a conspiracy theorist....
Didn't Clinton balance the budget? I'm all for that, he's a blue guy. So if a blue teamer axes the IRS, sign me up. IDGAF about all this color ########.
Like I told Cata last week. I voted for Trump because of RFK JR.
I voted for Trump bc of DOGE. I'm not supporting DOGE bc of Trump.
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What's your preferred medium of
Feb 5, 2025, 6:27 PM
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Project updates?
I think it's a little unfair to say they're not being transparent when they're literally telling you what they're doing.
Now, if you're saying he's a liar then ok...different conversation right? But why would he lie?
What are you reading that's indicating he's lieing and he's not being transparent?
Did you check out that DB I posted? It's pretty slick, and idk how it could be more transparent lol
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Speaking of lieing
Feb 5, 2025, 6:33 PM
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A month ago, all USAID did was give charitable dollars to country in need....
And y'all are mad at musk?
I'm sorry man I don't get it. Respectfully gotta disagree here.
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You understand why auditors exist, right?
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Independent auditors are the thin line separating us from Russian oligarchy, and the firing of numerous OIGs sure seems indicative of what the plan is here.
Elon Musk, already the richest man on the planet, just hit the absolute motherlode.
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Ok, fair. Mind if I ask a question?
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How exactly have those auditors been working for us?
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to be fair
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that's like saying my house won't survive a direct hit from Hurricane Ilene. Not sure any house would.
lol
I get what you're saying, but you also have to extrapolate said risks/concerns to legacy systems which (as I'm sure you're aware) already carry a rather high risk of penetration.
If transparency is the key requirement of the use case, block chain is the best solution available.
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It's not the Executive Branch's Constitutional responsibility to violate the
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laws that Congress passes as our elected representatives. It is the Executive Branch's responsibility to enforce the laws the Congress passes. If you want to change laws, then get it done the way that the Constitution requires via Congress.
What he is doing is a violation of law and The Constitution.
But, I would love to have him go before this Republican Congress and tell them to go #### themselves. The backlash would be sweet.
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He's not violating law. He's investigating budgeting and disbursements.***
Feb 5, 2025, 5:20 PM
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"investigating" is an interesting description
Feb 5, 2025, 6:40 PM
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for taking over the entire Treasury payment system and locking OPM and Treasury employees out of their accounts and effectively freezing their jobs. "Investigating", indeed.
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What?
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Feb 5, 2025, 6:30 PM
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Isn't the USAID under the executive branch?
Are none of you slightly ok with a full blown audit of the us government?
This response is baffling to me. Like we've been robbed blind for decades and y'all are throwing a fit at someone actually tracing and publishing where our dollars are going.
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This is not how audits work.
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Feb 5, 2025, 6:38 PM
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Musk is under no apparent obligation to share anything he doesn't want to share, and the only person he answers to occasionally has been pushing for this scenario since his first Presidency. He has it now, until (and if) Congress decides to do their jobs.
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Top TigerNet [30181]
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You're right. Misuse of these word audit
Feb 5, 2025, 7:35 PM
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This is how someone comes in and saves a failing business, though.
Bringing me back to my Yota days doing kaizen events lol
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It seems many haven't had a basic civics class.***
Feb 6, 2025, 11:42 AM
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each committee members campaign just got a huge donation***
Feb 5, 2025, 8:54 PM
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you libs are a bunch of clowns
Feb 5, 2025, 9:06 PM
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Elon can wipe his rear with 10,000 dollar bills from now until the year 3000 and still feed and clothe the African continent for a generation.
Do you get that? Can your simpleton brain understand something so simple? Neither he nor Trump need one penny of money or influence from their job.
This is why they are the exact right people to do what they are doing.
The definition of very high contrast is the contrast between these guys and the Biden Crime Family.
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Re: you libs are a bunch of clowns
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Feb 5, 2025, 9:20 PM
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You poor dumb SOB. Do you have no understanding of what's happening?
F*cking children with half-*ssed educations.
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Re: you libs are a bunch of clowns
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Feb 5, 2025, 10:32 PM
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Left wing scum are so used to their politicians stealing them blind they automatically assume everyone else is doing the same. Anyone who thinks Musk is spending his days pouring through this stuff as a means of additional self enrichment is a propagandized moron.
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Re: you libs are a bunch of clowns
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Feb 5, 2025, 10:47 PM
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Can people really be this stupid?
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