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Paw Warrior [4869]
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:25 PM
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In this day and age of College football we are seriously having to wait to hear whether a sophomore is returning. That’s ridiculous. So basically they field offers then decide if they want to stay or not.
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110%er [3821]
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Would you quit your job
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:29 PM
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and take the same job somewhere else if you could make exponentially more money?
I think most of us would.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Would you quit your job
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:32 PM
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In effort to answer your question, Do I hv a college degree yet?
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110%er [3821]
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Sophomore, no
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:34 PM
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but one can get a degree at ANY of these institutions. It’s college. That’s what they do.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Sophomore, no
Dec 28, 2024, 6:36 PM
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And to OP point, college football is now pre-nfl.
Apples to oranges your argument to the OP is. HTH
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110%er [3821]
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Life is a business
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:41 PM
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Including college football.
You’re either succeeding, or you’re not.
What’s the difference between coaches making millions and their players being compensated for their investment? Hasn’t college always been pre-NFL? The goal has ALWAYS been the draft.
$Apples$ to $apples$. Yes. That helps.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Life is a business
Dec 28, 2024, 6:45 PM
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Have you heard the discussion about separating college sports from the university yet?
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Life is a business
Dec 28, 2024, 6:48 PM
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State funded Universities are paid by tax dollars. So your Apples to apples is nonsense.
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Rival Killer [2788]
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Re: Life is a business
Dec 28, 2024, 8:16 PM
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You can fire a coach. It's my understanding that you can't pull a schollie, i.e. can't fire the player?
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Life is a business
Dec 28, 2024, 9:13 PM
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Correct is not IRS compliant Biz
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Varsity [104]
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College football has always been pre NFL******
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Dec 28, 2024, 7:22 PM
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: College football has always been pre NFL******
Dec 28, 2024, 7:54 PM
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TY for understanding my point
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Orange Blooded [2246]
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Re: Sophomore, no
Dec 28, 2024, 9:51 PM
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Exactly. A degree from.a certain school doesn't even matter. The only exception would a true IVY league school. Most athletes are pursuing Business or Sports management degrees. Clemson should look at doing something that I would call post graduate progression. That would be a program that offered a Masters degree for free for any student athlete that fulfilled there full 4 years at Clemson. Tbis would available to them for tbier lifetime. Whenever they decide to use it. Not every player gets the multi million dollar pro contracts. This program and a few other tweaks could keep a few In tbe program every year. It would keep the type of players that we really want representing our university going forward.
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Paw Warrior [4869]
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Re: Would you quit your job
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:40 PM
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In what universe is College football even remotely close to a 9-5 job?
Even the NFL has contracts. College football is the Wild Wild West. There’s got to be some kind of structure put in place. I don’t care if they do become employees as long as we can get contracts in place like the NFL to where you can not play for anyone else for 3-4 years.
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110%er [3821]
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If it is not a job
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:44 PM
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What is it?
People are being compensated for their skills. This isn’t difficult to understand. It is a job. It always has been. Want to keep an employee? Pay said employee. It’s not that complicated.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: If it is not a job
Dec 28, 2024, 7:01 PM
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With your thinking: Let's go ahead abolish University Professors.
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Ring of Honor [22224]
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Re: If it is not a job
Dec 28, 2024, 7:10 PM
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Then why can’t we fire the employees at will and hire new employees at will??
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Rival Killer [2788]
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Re: If it is not a job
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Dec 28, 2024, 8:39 PM
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They went from being amateurs to employees overnight. Yes, there were some players paid under the table, but most weren't. These kids became overnight millionaires. 99% of them do NOT merit the amounts of money being thrown at them. If you were the janitor yesterday, you don't go to being the CEO, being paid millions, tomorrow. That's what is going on. They became paid employees overnight with absolutely no rules/regulations/ oversight. Some coaches do make millions, but most of them have gone through a process of being a grad assistant, then position coach, then a coordinator and then h.c. these kids aren't even remotely there. Case in point...didn't Texas a&m pay millions in nil to get the team they wanted, only to crash and burn? We all know that a very large portion of football players never make it to the NFL, why are we paying them that way. Dju, a very highly touted h.s. QB, did he earn his money??? They're employees, but they're not worth the money being thrown at them
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Paw Warrior [4869]
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Re: If it is not a job
Dec 28, 2024, 8:42 PM
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NIL is the job. It’s still technically illegal to pay a player to play for a school. NIL is supposed to be for name/image/likeness, not pay for play so no they are not employees of the school they play for.
Message was edited by: Jcantrell86®
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Varsity [104]
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Your definition of "legal" is bogus
Dec 28, 2024, 8:54 PM
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NIL is perfectly legal. It violates no laws.
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Paw Warrior [5031]
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Re: Your definition of "legal" is bogus
Dec 28, 2024, 9:44 PM
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Bluff pay for play is still against the current rules. Doesn’t matter if it holds up in court, until the rules change it is illegal.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Your definition of "legal" is bogus
Dec 28, 2024, 10:27 PM
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Well according to the Supreme Court you are incorrect
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: If it is not a job
Dec 28, 2024, 9:37 PM
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VIA the State Public Tax Payer Institution
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Oculus Spirit [44776]
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Re: Would you quit your job
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:47 PM
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Never understood that argument either. Do what I do or play football. Not remotely close.
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Varsity [104]
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Strawman. Logical fallacy.
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Dec 28, 2024, 7:23 PM
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Lots of jobs are not 9-5.
The OP said nothing about 9-5.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Strawman. Logical fallacy.
Dec 28, 2024, 10:21 PM
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I think go_all_tigers is mouse clicker happy
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Rival Killer [3017]
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Thats just it..
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Dec 28, 2024, 7:20 PM
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IT’S NOT A JOB.. It used to be a commitment to play four years of ball in return for a four year degree, free books, free food, free tutoring, free housing, free mentoring, free coaching, and a host of other free perks. Then the kids got greedy.
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Varsity [104]
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That was epically confused.
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Dec 28, 2024, 7:24 PM
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It is a job. It always has been. It just used to be compensated at far below fair market value.
If you don't like it, argue with the federal courts.
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Rival Killer [2788]
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Re: That was epically confused.
Dec 28, 2024, 9:01 PM
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That's something I've never understood. How do you value a college degree? The problem is that most football players never make the NFL. Maybe 5%? Of those that make the NFL, how many make enough to be set for life, considering the lifespan of a player is about 3-5 years. What do all of those guys do, without a degree? A few hundred thousand is great, but it won't support a lifetime of expenses. And let's not talk about how much of that money is thrown away quickly.
I completely disagree. Not only is the degree undervalued, how do we value a h.s kid? You're going to tell me some kid that's only played a couple of years of "real football" is worth as much as a coach that has years/decades of exp? A h.s. kid is valued as much as an NFL player of 7-8 years? Bu!!$hit..... Yeah, DJU was worth every penny he was paid.
And here's another one for you. Kids are getting either nil money and /or profit from the program. Right there is a disparity. How is wake forest or Kentucky or sdsu supposed to compete with oh st/Texas/ n.d. when it comes to nil money? They can't. How are those programs supposed to come up with $20.5 mill EVERY YEAR?? Most football programs operate at a loss. You have engendered a huge disparity between programs.
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Rival Killer [3017]
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Re: That was epically confused.
Dec 28, 2024, 9:39 PM
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No one is forcing these kids to go to college and play ball. If they didn’t like the free education and perks, they could go and get a REAL job. No way in H E L L half of these kids could meet the entrance qualifications if it weren’t for their atlectic ability. Listen to some of the interviews, what a joke. They need to be thankful these colleges are offering a degree for sub-standard academic performance.
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Dynasty Maker [3120]
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Re: Thats just it..
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Dec 28, 2024, 7:27 PM
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The coaches got greedy, so the players want some too. I can’t blame them
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Thats just it..
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Dec 28, 2024, 8:35 PM
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Please do not go NY to find UHG CEO. Thnx
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CU Medallion [18219]
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Wait...the kids got greedy?***
Dec 28, 2024, 8:29 PM
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Wait...the kids got greedy?***
Dec 28, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Nevermind Disney
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Wait...the kids got greedy?***
Dec 28, 2024, 8:41 PM
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REMINDER: Clemson ans FSU are suing the conference
Take the red pill
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Freshman [3]
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Re: Would you quit your job
Dec 28, 2024, 7:28 PM
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Yes, some would. But the bridges you burn chasing the money can't be undone. What happens when the money is gone along with the friendships.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Re: Would you quit your job
Dec 28, 2024, 8:45 PM
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We talk bible DUH
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Varsity [121]
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Re: Would you quit your job
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Dec 28, 2024, 9:03 PM
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You’re comparing these college players with a normal Joe in the working world. Some of the college guys certainly qualify in that realm but not all and I’d argue that most of them do not compare.
In a corporate situation, the money the higher paid players are making would come attached with a time based aspect to the contract as well, with significant clawbacks and or penalties for breaking the contract by either party. You think a corporation would want to constantly worry about their C suite or director level folks jetting for other pastures? (Think of college coach contracts as an example as well)
Now apparently it seems that yearly contracts are the market right now, but say a highly recruited freshman QB comes in and a NIL collective says we will commit to you for your entire college career at $4M per year. Should he take it if guaranteed? Or roll the dice that he performs well and after 2 years he could bolt and possibly make $8M? So much is unknown with how these contracts are structured that it’s pure speculation at this point but to say contracts in the corporate world don’t exist isn’t accurate at all.
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Orange Phenom [14815]
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Re: Sad
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Dec 28, 2024, 6:38 PM
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"College" athletics have become an absolute farce.
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Varsity [104]
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No they haven't.
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Dec 28, 2024, 7:26 PM
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The people that get the vapors about the changes are just epically out if touch
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Rival Killer [2788]
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Re: No they haven't.
Dec 28, 2024, 9:14 PM
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Weird.
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Orange Elite [5204]
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Why Pay Taxes?***
Dec 28, 2024, 9:41 PM
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