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Attention all climate skeptics .
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if you still doubt climate change, go have a chat with a senior person in property and casualty insurance.
Darwin says hello.
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Dec 23, 2023, 9:22 AM
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There are more property claims and deaths b/c of climate change?
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Re: SO
Dec 23, 2023, 11:33 PM
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Property yes. Was that a setious question?
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Re: SO
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Dec 24, 2023, 8:45 AM
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No...there are more property claims because of overbuilding in hazardous areas.
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Re: SO
Dec 25, 2023, 4:57 PM
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Ummm....no. You're ignorant.
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Re: SO
Dec 25, 2023, 10:51 PM
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And shotty land developers who throws houses up quickly and poor grading/ drainage jobs in these subdivisions that the they throw together in a year,
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The cost of building materials have nothing to do with it
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Dec 23, 2023, 9:29 AM
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The cost of labor
The cost of litigation
The insurance company’s record profits
It’s all climate change. Lololololol
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Re: The cost of building materials have nothing to do with it
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Dec 23, 2023, 9:36 AM
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Inflation is up dramatically due to literally everything being more expensive than just a few years ago but, of course, the climate kooks see increasing premiums not as a result of this reality, but an alternate one where the planet will be unliveable in ten years and Florida will soon be underwater. In other words they are easily misled morons.
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Re: The cost of building materials have nothing to do with it
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Dec 23, 2023, 7:59 PM
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I was buddies with a guy who worked for NOAA back in the day when I lived in Charleston.
He was a whole lot smarter than you. Climate guys are usually pretty durn smart, in fact.
Do this simple experiment, and if you can't tell me why, you might want to stop grunting like a troglodyte about things you clearly know absolutely nothing about and advertising that fact at the top of your lungs: fill a clear tube with carbon. Light a match on one side of it. Despite the fact that carbon gas is colorless and the tube will still be clear, the flame is going to largely disappear when viewed through the carbon-filled tube.
Do you know why that is? Why can't you see the flame anymore even though you can see right through the tube? The answer is actually really simple.
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Re: The cost of building materials have nothing to do with it
Dec 24, 2023, 2:04 PM
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You appeal to authorities as an argument tactic quite often.
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Let me tell you about a science experiment
Dec 25, 2023, 2:58 PM
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I saw one time and had a really smart guy tell me how it works.
Now I can tell you how it works and mock you and call you an idiot. But my friend is extremely intelligent
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Re: Attention all climate skeptics .
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So we did this?
And how many American tax dollars will it take to control the weather?
How much are you going to get China and India to chip in?
Can we all have San Diego weather?
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I just spoke with my UPS driver. He said youre nuts. Im good.***
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Define "climate change".***
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Re: Define "climate change".***
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Dec 23, 2023, 6:50 PM
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In Charleston climate change is “sunny day flooding” 71 days last year when it happened 15 days 35 years ago.
Sunny day flooding is when water from Charleston harbor covers streets during high tide and not from rain.
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Anything else happen in Charleston in the last 35 years?***
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I know all about it. Had two daughters at CoC. It was pretty common to
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Dec 23, 2023, 9:22 PM
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see kayaks paddling up the street in front of their houses.
Not sure how that defines climate change, or tells me exactly what it is that people don't believe in.
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Re: Define "climate change".***
Dec 23, 2023, 10:10 PM
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Change caused by human transportation, industry, and agriculture.
I'll answer my own question since obviously our resident climate experts on here aren't going to: the reason you can't see a flame through a clear tube of carbon dioxide is because carbon absorbs infrared radiation. You know: heat.
To figure out how much it's effecting the climate, you just need to know how much carbon we're adding to the atmosphere each year through human inputs. (That number is around 37 billion tons annually as of 2021, haven't seen figures more recent than that.) To figure the effects that has, you just do the math of how much more infrared radiation CO₂ absorbs than the normal oxygen-nitrogen mix of our atmosphere, multiply that by whatever the percentage of our atmosphere represents...and hey, you've got the amount of additional heat the Earth absorbs each year.
It's not really difficult science. Exxon itself did the math in the '70's and its numbers look shockingly like the ones we're seeing today. The only thing really complicating it are oil lobbies.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2023/01/harvard-led-analysis-finds-exxonmobil-internal-research-accurately-predicted-climate-change/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWhat%20we%20found%20is%20that,denying%20that%20very%20climate%20science.%E2%80%9D
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How much money will it take to fix it?***
Dec 23, 2023, 10:25 PM
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Re: How much money will it take to fix it?***
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Dunno. It's mostly just awareness and doing stuff differently going forwards, not throwing tax money at it.
Like, take an example: the Romans were giving themselves heavy-metal poisoning because their pottery contained a sh!t-ton of lead. It was literally killing many of them off in their early 50's. Now, even if they'd all woke up one morning with that knowledge, you can't just throw away your pottery and eat off the floor. How do you store food then? How do you cook it?
So, basically, what you've gotta do is replace the poison pottery steadily over time...but not too much time, or you know, death by heavy metal. But it certainly isn't going to happen overnight.
That's pretty much the spot we're in. It's not like we knew any better, and we certainly didn't intent to set our globe on fire...but we're doing it, and we can't just stop doing it tomorrow either. But tax money thrown at a problem rarely solves much of anything - if you want something done, just tell people what the problem is and they'll work it out on their own. Which we are doing, despite Big Oil's best efforts.
The solution isn't going to come from any government, it's going to come from awareness and just doing stuff differently. It's not like we have to abolish all carbon, we just need to get the level back down where it can be re-absorbed through natural climate processes again.
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Re: You sound real smart and all, but forgive me if I don't accept your
Dec 23, 2023, 10:41 PM
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What are you arguing with? We know carbon absorbs more heat than oxygen or nitrogen. (Our atmosphere is 21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen, 1% other junk...mostly argon but it does include carbon.)
We know how much more heat carbon absorbs than either element. All that can be easily demonstrated in a lab.
The argument that could be made, I suppose, is that we're off in how much carbon we're adding, but I haven't really seen anybody quibbling with that, and we can measure it anyway: right now it's at 417.06 parts per million and that number continues to rise each year.
Truthfully I don't really know what the point of disagreement actually is. What do you assert?
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Does carbon do anything besides
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absorb heat?
Like feed plants that absorb carbon and make shade?
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You are wrong. As usual.
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“The green movement’s climate-change scheme is based upon the false notion that carbon dioxide and other gases cause global warming. They do not. We don’t have to guess about this. We have empirical and scientific proof.
I owned a Weights and Measures gas-physics test-and-repair facility and conducted tests. We learned gas physics from engineers at factories that manufacture gas-physics instruments.
Nearly everything the public has heard about climate change for the past 30 years has been from the professorial world, which is theoretical. And how often have their predictions come true? Because their world is theoretical, they use peer review for approval. There is no such thing as peer review in the private sector. Something either works or it doesn’t. Everything is tested. Engineers who design gas-physics instruments must be correct. If they aren’t, their instruments would fail and buildings might burn.
There is no curriculum for gas physics in academia. Engineering and physics classes merely touch upon the subject with 100-year-old (and misleading) postulates such as continuity of energy and thermodynamics.
Professors use these to leap to the conclusion that energy cannot be destroyed, or at least migrates somewhere.Temperature is an indication of the speed at which atoms and molecules are moving. Academia has forgotten or skipped over this first tenet of gas physics, presumably to chase the $22 billion per year in funding to study global warming.
When mercury in a thermometer is exposed to heat, the mercury atoms accelerate. They collide, increasing friction and temperature. This causes the mercury to expand, and the added force pushes it up the thermometer. When the sun goes down, the atoms slow, the friction and force lessen, and the mercury falls. The mercury atoms do not migrate elsewhere; they simply slow down.This happens because we live in a gravitational field. Kinetic energy (motion) is destroyed by gravity, another tenet of gas physics that has been ignored. Any migration of energy ends abruptly like the spark from a flame or sand under a rolling baseball. Atoms and molecules are densely packed in our atmosphere.
Think of them as vehicles stopped at a light. A car rear-ends the last car. The last car cannot travel very far because it hits the next car.
Do gases retain some trace amount of temperature from day to day?
To answer this, we charted actual atmosphere temperature drops. High and low temperatures were recorded from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration website. It provides a high for the day, and a low the next morning.
The temperature drops were for locations throughout the country. A typical drop in summer was from 80 to 58 degrees Fahrenheit. The size of the drops varied. However, the average drop for 15 samples or more was notably consistent at 22 degrees. Temperature drops were recorded throughout winter down to highs in the 20s. Similarly, temperature drops in winter also averaged 22 degrees.
This proves that temperatures drop at a steady rate when the sun is down. The resulting temperature-drop chart indicates that, if the sun never came up, the Earth would be a frozen ball of ice in less than 48 hours (dropping 22 degrees every 12 hours). That proves that temperature is not trapped or retained from day to day (global warming). Any prolonged warming is caused by the sun.It further proves that no gas — not carbon dioxide, methane, or even humid atmospheric air — retains temperature from day to day.
Make no mistake. This is a true scientific test because it observes actual measurements of the atmosphere. Any high school class can repeat these observations over a school year.
Let’s consider carbon dioxide, which the green lobby has miscast as a cause of warming without proof. Real science demands empirical and scientific proof.
For instance, the empirical proof that an elephant weighs more than a mouse is observation. The scientific proof is to put both on a scale and weigh them. Atmospheric scientists agree that from 1950 to 1985, our atmosphere cooled very slightly. It did the same from 1997 to 2015. During both periods, carbon dioxide levels rose dramatically.
That is empirical proof that carbon dioxide does not cause warming. It is 55 years of proof. It is the elephant in the room. We need to stop thinking, “It has to cause at least some warming.” No, it doesn’t. Obviously, it doesn’t.
The question we should be asking is, “Why doesn’t carbon dioxide cause warming?” That leads to the proper scientific approach: Measure it.
The scientific proof is easily grasped. We tested carbon dioxide’s ability to trap or retain heat. It cools 22 F in 3 minutes and 45 seconds. It cannot possibly retain heat and certainly not do so from day to day.
To naysayers, how about proving your theory? Try to get carbon dioxide to retain temperature from day to day. Or better yet, perform our test for yourself. We used precision instruments. However, this is a simple, repeatable test that anyone can perform with hardware-store instruments.” - James Moodey
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Re: You are wrong. As usual.
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Do go ahead and source that. It's almost like you hiding that. Gosh, I wonder why?
Most scientists also completely disagree with whatever bad-faith Heritage Foundation article it is that is you're citing there. Here, this guy on PBS gives a simplified version. It's not the carbon dioxide that's holding the heat itself, it's that it's transferring that heat like a heating element to the oxygen and nitrogen around it.
https://www.pbs.org/video/but-how-does-carbon-dioxide-trap-heat-behfhz/
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Re: I put the authors name with the quote, need me to come click your mouse for you?
Dec 24, 2023, 7:39 AM
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Thanks for actually sourcing your material...and of course, I went and read the comments you clearly didn't want anyone to read, and hey, whaddya know, there's two comments (one by a poster called "OSJ" and another by an "AJSadar" in between the herping and derping) that makes the same point I did previously: this is a bad-faith argument. (Which is undoubtedly why you love it.)
It's like: yes, dear. CO2 in and of itself does not hold the heat. No one is saying that, but do keep whumping that strawman. What it does do, as I mentioned and as these fellows mentioned, is act as a conductor that allows that heat to be transferred to the oxygen and nitrogen around it. They also castigated the guy for making a bad-faith argument about an unrelated topic to deliberately mislead people.
Again, to see the process of heat transfer work, all you have to do is take two sealed jars, one full of air and the other full of an air and CO2 mixture. Put both of them over a Bunsen burner. After a couple minutes the one with the CO2 mix is going to be much hotter than the one that's just air...because it's got a substance acting as a heat conductor in it. The more CO2 you add, the more heat that can be conducted.
It's not a hard experiment to do. You probably have the means to do it on your own stove.
And then you went to Dr. Peter Langdon Ward's work...yeesh. For starters it isn't the same argument Moodey is making at all. Langdon's big premise, basically, isn't that climate change isn't happening. What he asserts is that it's actually ozone depletion that's making it happen. Repeat that in the company of nerds and they'll tar and feather you. The math you'll get thrown at you is mostly over my head...but what isn't over my head is that the ozone layer should be fully repaired by 2040 or so because we banned the CFC's (mostly in hairspray) that were depleting it back in the 1980's. Which kind of makes Ward's ozone-depletion theory really suspect.
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Re: I put the authors name with the quote, need me to come click your mouse for you?
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Not to quibble, but it's radiation heat transfer that makes CO2 different than oxygen, nitrogen, and argon in the air. Those gases are transparent to IR with an emissivity very close to 0. CO2, water vapor, methane and other "greenhouse" gases have higher emissivities and can absorb heat from the sun by radiation and exchange heat with the planet's surface by radiation. There's a lot more greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than 50 years ago, but you can still make ice in the Nevada desert at night if you insulate the ice tray from the ground.
The science is just a little more advanced than 12th grade, non-AP physics, but I think we had at least an introduction to black-body radiation. That's why it didn't take geniuses to figure it out and why the ideas weren't controversial until the Koch brothers started funding misinformation and somehow got a number of fundamentalist religious figures on their side (the same bunch of morons who don't believe in evolution).
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Re: I put the authors name with the quote, need me to come click your mouse for you?
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Thank you. I know I wasn't putting it the greatest, but I'm not a physicist or a climatologist either. Sure, in the absence of my own ability to do the science or maffs, I'm forced to rely upon the perceived expertise of others...but geeze, it's not rocket science to tell the guys who know what they're talking about from the ones who are making farting noises and bad-faith arguments if you dig and genuinely try to inform yourself, either...and since I make a fair bit of my money doing research for business guys looking to see which way the future frog's going to jump, I do a fair bit of that.
The fact that think tanks funded by lobbyists who work for the oil industry (and who used to work for Big Tobacco!) are being so successful at gumming up the works with bad-faith bullsh!t and turning a scientific argument into partisan politics is distinctly depressing. But it's also interesting how little effect it's had under society's hood...the corporate world, anyway, ain't buying it.
The good news there, I've found, is that what the government does is almost sort of incidental. Politics is downstream from culture...and culture is downstream from innovation. And innovation is always driven by cold hard science. It just takes time for the market to absorb what the science comes up with, and then even more time for culture to absorb the new stuff on the market...but by the time politics starts getting involved, the reality upstream has long-since changed, too, usually so much there's just no stopping it politically.
But durn we make it hard on ourselves sometimes.
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Re: You are wrong. As usual.
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Keowee Indian is wrong as usual.
I get a laugh out of this statement ……..
“Nearly everything the public has heard about climate change for the past 30 years has been from the professorial world”.
For you folks that do not understand what’s going on in the world around you, don’t be worried, keep doing what you’re doing. Well, unless you’re working in a coal mine, then you might want to find another gig, your call.
Meanwhile, those of us paying attention will work through the free markets and clean things up. Governments will not execute the energy transmission. It is being done by the commercial markets.
Free market, economics, stock market, etc. are the forces driving the transition to clean energy. This is about economics and the health of human beings. Hell of a lot cheaper to use clean energy.
Fox News might tell you this is about politics. It is not.
If you talk to a young coal miner with black lung disease, I have, he will tell you he doesn’t care about politics, he cares about living a few more years. HEALTH!
If you talk to an insurance company, CEO, I have, he will tell you he doesn’t care about politics, but he will say their catastrophic claims are not only increasing, but increasing at a rate never seen before. He will tell you this is not about politics. He will tell you this is about many more wildfires, tornadoes, floods, and crap than they’ve seen before. ECONOMICS!
This isn’t politics. This isn’t social wars.
This is economics and peoples health.
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JFC, I have never seen so much wrong in one post. No wonder you use a fake name.
Dec 24, 2023, 10:01 AM
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"Free market, economics, stock market, etc. are the forces driving the transition to clean energy. This is about economics and the health of human beings. Hell of a lot cheaper to use clean energy."
-Everything in that comment is the exact opposite of reality. Politicians/bureaucrats/the elite are pushing "clean energy"; not because it helps anyone, but because they have a vested stake in it and will become rich beyond their wildest dreams on the backs of the taxpayer. See Al Gore.
"If you talk to a young coal miner with black lung disease, I have, he will tell you he doesn’t care about politics, he cares about living a few more years. HEALTH!"
-This has nothing to do with the heat transfer of C02; I don't get your point other than you think breathing coal dust is something people that question man made climate change suggested was "good for one's lungs?". I still don't get your point.
"If you talk to an insurance company, CEO, I have, he will tell you he doesn’t care about politics, but he will say their catastrophic claims are not only increasing, but increasing at a rate never seen before. He will tell you this is not about politics. He will tell you this is about many more wildfires, tornadoes, floods, and crap than they’ve seen before. ECONOMICS!"
- What the FK! You are delusional if you believe that insurance companies are not tied to politics. Insurance companies basically rely on regional monopolies that are structured via legislation. Insurance companies lobby representatives just as much as big oil, and defense contractors. The reason that catastrophic claims are higher than ever is simply because people are FKN EVERYWHERE; and the cost of goods to rebuild have skyrocketed under your Daddy's bidenomics.
1.You know how many people used to live in tornado ally? NONE. cause of the fkn tornadoes.
2. You know how many people used to live on barrier islands? NONE. cause they are fkn BARRIER islands, there is a reason they are called that.
3. You know why there are more wildfires? cause they are more fkn stupid people everywhere. Most wildfires are started by people, and has zero connection to C02; and more connection to shtty campfire building, cigarettes, and just general stupidity. Oh, California is dry as hell? NO FKN ### Sherlock. It always has been. Half of the state is FKN DESERT!!!! You know how long wildfires have been occuring in CA? Ask the Giant Sequoia, and their SEROTINOUS CONES. Why has the cost to rebuild gone up so much? Because people are FKN EVERYWHERE in CA, and the avg rebuild cost of their shtty shack is over $1M.
***Let's not forget that CA STOPPED clearing dead vegetation via the forest service in their quest to go green; and that just increased the amount of fuel for wildfires.
4. Also, look at those insurance company's profits over the time in which they are "struggling". Give me a FKN break, brah.
I will say this. My carbon footprint is still less than anyone on this board, and I am willing to compare if anyone wants to take the challenge. I love mother nature, and always am respectful to the planet. BUT WHEN I SEE BULLSHT, I am going to call it out.
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Re: You are wrong. As usual.
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Oh, that's bad. Very, very bad.
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Re: As one climate scientist said, "the climate system is way more complex than
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Curry's interesting and unlike Langdon Ward she doesn't come across as a quack or a shill getting paid off by Heritage to make bad arguments to mislead the normies. She's often cited by climate skeptics but she's not really one herself...what she's mostly critiqued over the years is official policy towards the handling of it and the tendency towards groupthink in the scientific community. She asserts there's specific aspects of the general body of work that are sloppy, incomplete, and often politicized...and she's right, of course. (This is true of just about any human endeavor, I've noticed.)
Basically she thinks there's a fortress mentality in climate circles in which insiders can do no wrong and outsiders aren't allowed entry. She also thinks the climate industry wastes too much time repeating models and projections based on the "official" IPCC data instead of doing what good science should be doing and trying to improve that model.
There's a lot of hostility towards her because of that, but it's basically political. The climate industry is like: your arguments are being seized upon by think tanks and quacks to cast shade at our entire field and you need to close your mouth in public...to which she responds: that's not good science. And they're both right, unfortunately.
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Q - I think it has gotten worse than just a politicization of science in
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regards to Climate Change. We've gone past politicization to where "Climate Change" is now a religion of the left.
Debate of a political issue - even ones based on science like the pros/cons of nuclear energy - is a legitimate exercise recognized by both sides of a political issue. But ever since President Obama declared "the debate is settled" in one of his most narcissistic moments, Climate Change was pushed out of the political realm and elevated, consciously or not, to that which mirrors a religion to many on the left.
To the Climate Cult there is no debate to be had - wholly accept their premise and their interpretations/findings or be attacked with a fervor akin to a modern day Inquisition to rid the world of climate heresy. They even use terms like "denier" and "heretic" to describe those who dare show the least bit of skepticism, disagreement, or question their views of Climate Change.
Not everyone on the left is a Climate Cultist but just about everyone on the left sees the utility of "the debate is settled" mantra to push other political agendas and funding. Just tie an issue to Climate Change and no argument/debate is allowed or necessary. Not only does it dumb down our politics but it encourages tyrannical behavior and is destructive to our system of Governance.
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Kinda like racism.***
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Agree. All the "ist" and "phobic" name branding follow the same tyrannical
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mindset and strategy as "the debate is settled". Avoid all legitimate debate by labeling your opponent and their views as racist and the facts will no longer matter and can be discounted. At least that is what the intellectually lazy politicos that use this tactic believe. Unfortunately, this lazy political tactic has been used so often as to now make the words "racist" and "racism" practically meaningless.
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Absolutely. If you are not in lockstep, you are some kind of ist ot phobe.
Dec 24, 2023, 7:53 PM
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And that's where the debate stops.
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Re: Absolutely. If you are not in lockstep, you are some kind of ist ot phobe.
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This is the "go to" when you see your narrative failing.
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Re: Q - I think it has gotten worse than just a politicization of science in
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Thanks for explaining your ignorance of the realities.
Climate change is not politics or religion.
It is science, health and free markets.
But I don’t expect you and other climate deniers will ever figure this out. Please stay on the couch in your cave. We’re all safer with you on the sidelines.
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Here's one - thanks for proving my point...***
Dec 26, 2023, 10:24 AM
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Re: Q - I think it has gotten worse than just a politicization of science in
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The roots of your denialism actually go back to the early 90s, when the idea of man-made effects on the planet became offensive to certain fundamentalist Christians. It's called something like Dominion Theory, based on Genesis. God gave man dominion over the planet, so whatever we do to It is ordained by God; including pollution, extinctions, etc. It's nonsense; the Catholics interpret the same scripture to mean that we were given dominion over the planet, so it's therefore our responsibility to protect the planet. Behind the scenes, the Kochs in particular were funding Pat Robertson and his like to promote dominion theory as a way to turn otherwise uninterested people into vocal climate skeptics. The message worked on subsets of the larger moron population, from which it spread while losing the religious connection until we get to today, where opposition to science is basically THE platform of the GOP. Then, the same gullible people become deniers of anything coming from the "intelligentsia," so for them elections are rigged, vaccines are poison, and drinking bleach is good for you.
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Derp
Dec 26, 2023, 12:02 AM
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If you believe in 'evolution' does that mean you have a 'monkey brain'?
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Re: Derp
Dec 26, 2023, 5:57 PM
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Maybe some more than others. The DNA test I took showed more Neanderthal than 90% of the general pop. They weren't monkeys, but they tried to mate with everything.
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And completely dismissing the
Dec 26, 2023, 9:10 AM
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fact that our oceans absorb, consume, and filter out over 30% of the carbon in the atmosphere. It's almost as if the planet can filter itself.
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Re: And completely dismissing the
Dec 26, 2023, 10:25 PM
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Too much CO2 lowers the pH of the ocean and dissolves the coral reefs. However, the CO2 of concern for the greenhouse effect is higher up in the sky.
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Something that happens all of the time, all of the time, since time started.***
Dec 24, 2023, 9:44 PM
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I suggest you have a talk with Manbearpig.
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And I’m super duper cereal.
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I just spoke with my FedEx driver. He said he lost the package. I'm screwed.***
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How can Earth have a climate if it's flat?
Dec 23, 2023, 1:35 PM
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And if it did have a climate, we all know it would stay the same all the time. The weather never changes, or didn't until SUV's showed up everywhere.
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Cut them a check if you're that worried about it.***
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Re: Attention all climate skeptics .
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Anyone who believes any weather event in their lifetime can be definitively linked to climate change is an uninformed dumba$$, period, end of discussion.
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Re: Attention all climate skeptics .
Dec 23, 2023, 8:47 PM
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Well, you're a PhD. You've reminded us of that about a million times.
Surely you can tell me why you can't see a flame through a tube filled with a clear carbon gas like carbon dioxide?
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I think youre confusing spectroscopy
Dec 23, 2023, 10:50 PM
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With thermodynamics.
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Re: I think youre confusing spectroscopy
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And how's that, Obed?
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Glad to attempt to answer. Have to rely on distant memories
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From old college textbooks to do so, so coming from a layman’s approach, but happy to try.
In your example, you’re saying the invisibility of a flame through a tube of filled with CO2 proves its efficacy as a heat sink. The example can be taken two ways, and I’d argue both of them are flawed. (Also, I’m not familiar with the experiment, so I’m not sure which color flames you’re saying disappear, or distance from tube, density of CO2 in the tube, etc).
If the candle was right beside the tube, more of the heat transfer would be convective than radiating. If you’re saying the absence of light is proof of absorption of the heat, the converse would say that the temperature of the flame should be markedly lower next to the tube of CO2 than sitting away from it, which isn’t the case either. It’s a thermodynamic convection argument.
If you’re saying that the candle is across the room or across the building, and the absence of the flame’s visibility is the proof, I’d again say it’s a flawed demonstration as it relates to the conclusion you’re drawing. Almost all of the heat generated by (and in turn felt from) the sun on Earth comes from the IR (invisible to the naked eye) portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. The heat from the visible light spectrum is a rounding error by comparison. Absorption of portions of the visible light spectrum is not proportional to nor analogous to absorption of the IR spectrum for a given absorption medium. So the lack of visible light spectrum from the candle through the tube shows visible light spectrum absorption, without telling us much at all about the efficacy of CO2 as a heat sink.
I’m not disputing whether CO2 absorbs IR radiation well—-it does. I’m just saying that not seeing a candle through a tube of CO2 isn’t, nor should it be, a mic drop example for undisputed proof of its role in the greenhouse effect.
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I got a tube that I call my heat stink.***
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I should give you Avogadros number.***
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Re: Attention all climate skeptics .
Dec 25, 2023, 11:49 PM
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I don't think that's the case, you should be able to see the visible light but the infrared would be be attenuated by beer-lambert. You might not be able to see the flame with an infrared camera, if the path through the bottle is long enough.
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Back to 5th grade science. Fire needs 3 things: Fuel, Oxygen and Heat.
Dec 26, 2023, 10:30 AM
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If you have carbon gas you're missing oxygen.
Kinda like Joe.
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LOL, how dumb.***
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Re: Attention all climate skeptics .
Dec 26, 2023, 10:35 AM
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stop buying chinese goods, shut their factories down, shut the coal fired plants down
we hold the keys
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