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Rare display of integrity in DC. Sinema stating that she's
Jan 14, 2022, 8:45 AM
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for the "Voters Rights" Bill, but that she's against changing Senate rules to get it passed.
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Re: Rare display of integrity in DC. Sinema stating that she's
Jan 14, 2022, 8:51 AM
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Or is she playing both sides.
Easy to support something when you are laying the argument on why you won’t succeed with it. Like at work
I’d love to get this project done on time, if only we would get $10m more dollars.
It’s a false statement.
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Re: Rare display of integrity in DC. Sinema stating that she's
Jan 14, 2022, 8:57 AM
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soooo, who can't vote right now? Illegals?
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people dying of dehydration waiting in inner city lines
Jan 14, 2022, 9:01 AM
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is what I heard.
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Re: people dying of dehydration waiting in inner city lines
Jan 14, 2022, 9:04 AM
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People filing all these fraudulent votes is what I heard. In some cases a GOP individual lost by 60%!?!? The fraud! It must be stopped
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You just hate minorities.
Jan 14, 2022, 9:03 AM
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Some of us love them and want them to be able to vote, because we know that without our aid, they're incapable of knowing where their neighborhood precinct is, much less make it there unassisted, and are also working 18 hour shifts so they can't possibly get there between the typical 7am - 8pm poll time, nor make any of the numerous early voting days. STOP SUPPRESSING THESE PEOPLE WHO I FULLY SUPPORT WHILE BELIEVING THEM TO BE BARELY CAPABLE OF NAVIGATING THE SIMPLEST OF LIFE'S LOGISTICS!!!!
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Re: You just hate minorities.
Jan 14, 2022, 9:18 AM
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What about poor whites?
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Yes, they're too slow to make it to vote too absent
Jan 14, 2022, 9:38 AM
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our overt magnanimity.
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Re: You just hate minorities.
Jan 14, 2022, 9:44 AM
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I've been a poor white. And oddly enough, I never had a problem voting. I even had to go to the polls on one voting day - oh the horror. I must have been some sort of Superman.
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World hunger doesn't exist because I just ate***
Jan 14, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Re: World hunger doesn't exist because I just ate***
Jan 14, 2022, 9:51 AM
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What does world hunger have to do with voting? I don't understand how your analogy is relevant.
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Re: World hunger doesn't exist because I just ate***
Jan 14, 2022, 9:56 AM
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Sigh. We forget the ability to understand logic is lost on you.
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Re: World hunger doesn't exist because I just ate***
Jan 14, 2022, 10:13 AM
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If you thought that comparison was logical, then it's you who does not understand logic.
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Re: So, you're saying she doesn't actually support the Bill?
Jan 14, 2022, 9:16 AM
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When exactly is the right time to change “senate rules”?
Just curious if there is a timetable for these types of discussions because, ya know, that’s not a thing. Rules can be changed whenever they see fit and have support for. That’s not unusual.
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The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 9:23 AM
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holds the majority.
So, if it needs to be changed - change the rule now and have it become effective after the 2024 election.
At least that way, you might get an honest vote about the filibuster - and not one that simply suits your party's current needs...
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 9:26 AM
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Oh like putting in a Supreme Court justice 4 days before a presidential election? You mean like that?
I mean I’d hate to put my parties needs ahead of the country.
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If you believe that was wrong - then you obviously must
Jan 14, 2022, 9:34 AM
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believe that changing the filibuster rule right now would be wrong. So, we're arguing the same side of the fence.
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Re: If you believe that was wrong - then you obviously must
Jan 14, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Are we? I say go ahead and change it whenever you want.
The GOP clearly has no intentions of playing fair when they’re in power so why should the dems?
I’m being serious. Not trolling here. With the SC shenanigans under trump the GOP clearly doesn’t give AF about the countries needs and desires. It’s about maximizing the power when you have it.
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Where does that line of thinking end though? We need
Jan 14, 2022, 9:50 AM
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decisions to be made for the good of the country, not the good of the party.
Your characterization of Pubs and Dems one-upmanship is accurate. Sinema is bucking that trend (at least in this case) and may have ulterior motives (as you pointed out).
She's a Dem, refusing to change the filibuster rule when it would be in the Dems best interest to do so.
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Re: Where does that line of thinking end though? We need
Jan 14, 2022, 10:24 AM
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She isn’t bucking the rule out of the goodness of her heart and for the good of the country. You’re delusional if you think so.
She’s doing it as a power play to get something for herself. Commmittee assignments. Money. Ear marks. Whatever. It isn’t for you and I.
And trust me. I’d love for the GOP to rule responsibly but they don’t. Full stop. They step on your throat and push harder. So until they felt what it’s like to be ######, they need to continue to be ###### with no mercy.
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I see now. You're mad at Sinema for not helping screw over
Jan 14, 2022, 1:50 PM
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the GOP with the other DEMs.
Thanks for letting me know there's no reason to continue this "discussion".
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 10:52 AM
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Oh like putting in a Supreme Court justice 4 days before a presidential election? You mean like that?
I mean I’d hate to put my parties needs ahead of the country.
Understand your point but bad comparison. No rules were changed or special rules created to confirm Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court. Ginsburg died in September 2020 and like it or not the administration and Senate at the time were well within their authority to nominate and confirm ACB to the Supreme Court. Were the Republicans hypocritical considering that cocaine Mitch refused to confirm that moron Merrick Garland at the end of Obama's term? Absolutely. Was it politics as usual in DC? Absolutely. Anyone with a brain knows that were the shoe on the other foot the Democrats would have done the exact same thing as the Republicans - they just didn't have the opportunity.
At times I've hated the filibuster but in the long run it is needed to keep the country from having whiplash swings in our laws. If we don't maintain some stick to force compromise or to slow roll bad legislation - the two parties will simply pass their partisan agendas by the thinnest of majorities while ending all consideration of minority party representation.
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 11:24 AM
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You mean the gop didn’t suspend rules and committees to fast track the nomination through? Didn’t curtail rules and other steps normally in place?
Cute you think the filibuster stops “partisan” agendas and supports compromise.
The filibuster is in place and I can name on my hand the number of votes a GOP senator has voted with dems on this session. The gop is a party of obstruction and non compromise and it’s hurting this country.
No platform. No agenda. No vision outside of “owning the libs”
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 11:46 AM
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No major legislation the Dems have put forth this session is worth supporting. And the Dems are the only party who routinely try to pass bills without one single vote from the other side.
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 11:49 AM
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Lololo. So in an ENTIRE year the dems haven’t produce ANYTHING worth supporting?
Gtfo out of here with that. See where you really are coming from.
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 11:52 AM
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"So in an ENTIRE year the dems haven’t produce ANYTHING worth supporting?"
Yep. Pretty much sums it up.
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 12:42 PM
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Anybody who's pro-gerrymandering does not believe in democracy. The two just don't exist together. So they're right on that part of their voting bill.
Once you gerrymander, what's left isn't representative democracy. Period. It's the reps choosing their voters, not the other way around. (It isn't a "Republic", either, for the morons who like to chant: "We're a REPUBLIC and not a democracy.")
If I was the Dems, I'd personally cave on voter-ID laws - Weslichick is correct, if it's a big deal, support legislation that would instead more easily give everybody ID's so we can allay any concerns about ballots not being legitimate - and instead concentrate on fighting the gerrymandering tooth and nail. No, independent commissions are not perfect but these massively gerrymandered states that produce 15-to-2 or suchlike ratios are flat abominations and the sort of thing banana republics do.
It's not hard: we have to create equal-as-possible representation. It's basic. And exactly what we fought England over. And no, reps do not get to choose their voters. Again, Democracy 101.
There's some other arguments I'd probably make regarding ballot-booth access - these massive long lines and old equipment in urban districts are deliberate, and ridiculous, and fairly obviously intended to make it as uncomfortable and inconvenient for urbanites (who tend to be both blacker and more Democratic) to vote, as are barring Sunday voting drives (because they know black churches register a ton of voters that way). That kind of stuff is worth fighting over, but dying on the hill of voter-ID is...dumb, because it promotes the notion the Dems have something to hide.
And this business places like New York are engaging in of allowing non-citizens to vote? Are you $%^&ing kidding me? Where on Earth allows non-citizens to vote? Sure, Russian tourist! Vote away even though you don't pay taxes and have no vested interest!
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Re: The filibuster is supported depending on which party
Jan 14, 2022, 2:19 PM
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You mean the gop didn’t suspend rules and committees to fast track the nomination through? Didn’t curtail rules and other steps normally in place?
Cute you think the filibuster stops “partisan” agendas and supports compromise.
The filibuster is in place and I can name on my hand the number of votes a GOP senator has voted with dems on this session. The gop is a party of obstruction and non compromise and it’s hurting this country.
No platform. No agenda. No vision outside of “owning the libs”
So the GOP are the only ones who have ever stopped bills by using the tools at Congress' disposal. I guess you don't remember all the Republican House bills that Harry Reid pigeon holed in the Senate. I guess you also don't remember all the Democratic filibusters during the Trump administration. Anyone who is intellectually honest knows that the obstruction game is played by both sides in DC and trying to paint one side as any better than the other when it comes to these tactics is just plain disingenuous.
For the record, there have been plenty of bi-partisan bills passed into law by this Congress - not all of them are small inconsequential bills either. Go here to see a list of them: https://www.congress.gov/public-laws/117th-congressPublic Laws Bills and joint resolutions that have been enacted into law, by Public Law number and Congress.
Your issue is that you obviously support a far left agenda and with a 50/50 Senate and a 222/212 House there is no mandate to support a far left agenda. This is not "we have the mandate to shove radical junk down your throat" territory - especially true for the Democratic "fundamental changes to America" kinds of legislation.
Instead, these narrow thin splits in Congress dictate that a more moderate approach to governing is called for. But that ain't what has been happening as the far left socialist wing of the Democratic party has devoured most of the liberal Democrats and has been doing everything they can to push through the most radical left agenda in my lifetime. My prediction is that the Democrats are going to pay a heavy price at the polls in November for having prioritized their radical leftist agenda at the expense of a more pragmatic approach.
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Re: Rare display of integrity in DC. Sinema stating that she's
Jan 14, 2022, 4:03 PM
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UK, up your evaluation skills! What you see in Sinema is a PATRIOT who gives a chit about America and it's values. The filibuster was designed to PROMOTE compromise and fairness, not make one party unassailable.
Do YOU really want to eliminate it before the Pubs nihilate the dems in November? Post-election would be the Mother of Debacles for Dems! Think harder; try to to not let your inner hate guide you. It's not becoming.
JFB
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Easy to be for a bill with a nice name
Jan 14, 2022, 9:09 AM
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That has a zero percent chance of not being ripped to shreds by the court, as the constitution is so crystal clear about elections it’s amazing anyone could argue otherwise.
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Re: Easy to be for a bill with a nice name
Jan 14, 2022, 9:19 AM
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The constitution is “crystal clear” on elections?
Please kind sir explain this to us as apparently 250+ years of individuals have not had the lucidity of this.
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Here
Jan 14, 2022, 10:20 AM
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The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
So unless this bill includes that none of these regulations ever pertain to any election where there is a senator on the ballot, it’s the states who have control.
And it’s so obvious why it’s a horrible idea for the federal government to control elections. There are so many reasons. I really am flabbergasted that anyone would be for it, unless you’re just such a simp for the Democrat party that you put party over country.
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Re: Here
Jan 14, 2022, 10:26 AM
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So a state should decide on voter ID then right? No need for a federal regulation to decide on it?
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That’s one part of the bill
Jan 14, 2022, 11:18 AM
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They want to draw district lines and select polling places too. That’s unconstitutional. And like I said, a terrible idea.
But there is a middle ground no one is even exploring. Why not a bill that gives states some funds in order to make IDs free and accessible to all citizens. Just have to have a birth certificate or passport or social security card, and claim a district if you are homeless and can’t show residency. Then we could check IDs before voting and 1 citizen would get 1 vote.
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Re: That’s one part of the bill
Jan 14, 2022, 11:53 AM
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Congressional District lines are under the purview of the federal government … that’s undeniable. State ones are under the states.
And you want a singular federal ID? Man … that’s quite the federal government over reach too. I mean, that’s more at odds with states rights than the voting side of things.
Also, I hate to break it to you, the law already is 1 citizen 1 vote. That’s never changed
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Key word..."citizen".***
Jan 14, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Re: Key word..."citizen".***
Jan 14, 2022, 2:07 PM
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Yes? So I’m Unclear why we need additional laws that what’s already there? We already have a very secure system.
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Is it still called integrity when she voted the opposite way 35 days ago?***
Jan 14, 2022, 10:22 AM
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Asking because I don't know: She voted the opposite
Jan 14, 2022, 1:46 PM
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on what 35 days ago?
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Re: Rare display of integrity in DC. Sinema stating that she's
Jan 14, 2022, 3:30 PM
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I gave her a donation last night. No kidding. It was hard to do as it takes you through Act Blue...
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