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Paw Master [17350]
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Impeachable offenses
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Oct 5, 2023, 7:50 AM
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Ok, if you try to circumvent congress and pay off billions in student loans and the supreme court smacks that ### down; and you continue with TWO additional programs to do the same; should that be an impeachable offense? You know it is illegal, but you do not care for the law, 'cause you are the "Big Guy".
Note: Bammy did this as well with DACA and the dreamers. He knew it was illegal, but he did it anyway.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-administration-approves-student-loan-forgiveness-additional-borrowers
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As then Minority Leader Ford said
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Oct 5, 2023, 8:08 AM
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"An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”
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Paw Master [17350]
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Thanks. This is the only thing you have ever said that I
Oct 5, 2023, 8:10 AM
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didn't roll my eyes after reading. TU.
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Ring of Honor [21686]
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Re: Impeachable offenses
Oct 5, 2023, 8:12 AM
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Several points -
1- I have seen zero evidence you give two sh!ts about ethics or rules or decency - at least, you go way out of your way to portray yourself as such - and your nihilistic persona makes it kinda hard to take any commentary you provide on ethics and rules with any seriousness.
2- Assuming of course you are even half-serious, of course this is "wrong" in the sense it's a sign of broken government that goes completely against intended design. The executive branch is increasingly encroaching on the power of the legislative branch, which is so broken and partisan it won't defend the power of the purse it's supposed to have.
3- The childish, petty partisanship of Congress means impeachment is completely off the table now no matter what the #%#^ a president does. The Dems set a horrifying precedent defending Slick Willy when he clearly deserved impeachment, and the GOP doubled down and then doubled down some more refusing to kick out Trump, who shouldn't have just been impeached but also should have been rotting in jail long-since. So why even discuss it?
And lastly....
4- Do you have anything resembling a realistic solution to the ever-increasing encroachment of the executive branch with its EO's and the Supreme Court with its completely unaccountable legislate-from-the-bench-via-cherry-picked-court-case, or are you just pointlessly venting hot air?
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Re: Impeachable offenses
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Oct 5, 2023, 8:33 AM
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A big “Thank you for this response”.
Regarding your 4th item, my desire is for those who swear oaths such as to protect and defend the Constitution will do what they have sworn to do. No, I do not suggest that that will solve every problem … I am suggesting that a Congress of elected folks could manage our nation reasonably well if it was known that all who work with them, all who meet with them, all who legislate with them were honorable. It is we the people who bear the primary job of purging the oath failures. Secondarily, though, our Congress has the impeachment power; failure to use that power adequately (yes, that is the correct word) is a major reason we are in the current mess … as you stated.
Thank you again. Aloha …
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Ring of Honor [21686]
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Re: Impeachable offenses
Oct 5, 2023, 9:00 AM
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It's exactly what I've been saying. Juries generally work because people come in from all walks of life, get together in a room for a specific purpose...and they do their duty because it's a public service and the responsibility has been put on them and people take that seriously. And then they adjourn...and go home when the job is done. And time and again, these random folks right off the street more often than not get it right...which is something absolutely no one would say about Congress.
But then again, juries are made up of We The People. Congress is made up of a professional political class that was never supposed to exist.
See again the military. You generally see much the same thing going on as you do in juries.
Sure, neither system is perfect and there's a myriad of criticisms you could direct at both...but it's exactly what's gone haywire in our system. These professional politicians have injected themselves into the system and then convinced us they're necessary...and they're actually the entire problem.
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Paw Master [17350]
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You rang?
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Oct 5, 2023, 8:35 AM
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1. My point has nothing to do with ethics or decency; maybe rules in that I was stating that the president is literally committing a crime by performing the exact act that the SC stated was unconstitutional. As a bonus response; I would add that you also fail to see evidence of Biden's (ethics, decency, or rules) in using his public office to enrich himself and his family; therefore your visual faculties seem to be suspect in regards to "evidence".
2. Agree
3. Disagree
4. Realistically EO's should only exist as pertaining to members/employees of the executive branch and in no way should have a cost related. I.E. The president signed an EO to allow government employees to use administrative leave on Dec 24th. The president signed an EO to implement "more fair" hiring practices of gov't employees. The only other EOs that should be considered should be during war when time is a factor, but this "right" should already be approved by congress as part of a contingency plan or emergency actions.
**Any action/want/need/pet project/buying votes/etc. that requires funding via citizen's taxes must go through congress
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Ring of Honor [21686]
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Re: You rang?
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Oct 5, 2023, 8:52 AM
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...and as ever, you've got great things to say when you stop trolling for one second.
To respond...
1- Sure, it's a "crime"...or at least, it's certainly extra-legal, and Congress could certainly make it a crime if they'd just get together and defend their own #%^&ing institution and pass some specific legislature that enumerates exactly how these extra-legal encroachments are criminal and what penalties would ensue if a president shoots from the hip and does whatever he wants like they're all doing now. But a crime isn't a crime if nobody will enforce it.
But there is zero evidence Joe Biden himself is involved in Hunter's doings and all the squawking Fox News does doesn't magically make it so. Hunter Biden was a freaking drug addict and was corrupt as he!!, which is exactly what makes him such an inviting target for smears. But legally the GOP has come up with bupkus when it comes to linking his corruption to pops. Show me any kind of legit evidence of Joe's wrongdoing and I'll be right on board calling for his head. I could care less about Joe, he's a guy in a suit doing a job. And not very bloody well. Actually I'll go further than that - I absolutely want Joe Biden gone. The caveat is, I want them all gone. Full flush. We The People running things, doing public service like a jury does. Hard term limits. And all dark money, gone.
3- Again, if partisanship is more important than defending the power of your own institution, it means the prez can do - and is doing - whatever he wants. Which is where we're at.
4- Sure, agree. But again, if Congress won't defend its turf and bite back at a president who over-reaches even if he's from their party, it's never going to happen. And neither party is remotely willing to do it and likely never will be. Only a third party might realistically pass this kind of legislation and then press for its enforcement.
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