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Tiger Titan [48746]
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You know who else's death raises eyebrows?
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All the children who have died because of imbeciles who have peddled vaccine/autism myths.
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Re: Autism..
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Sep 13, 2023, 9:57 AM
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Sounds like:
Ivermectin and HCQ for Covid
Apricot seeds, Fenbendazole, Soursop.... for cancer
Don't mess with big pharma profits
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Re: Autism..
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Even if vaccines did cause autism, you're a ####### idiot who sucks at math if you don't get your kids vaccinated based on that risk. They're STILL more likely to die from lack of vaccination than developing autism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo
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I pray that MF doesn't reproduce.***
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Do you really believe that more kids died from disease than
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live based on the bowling ball theory?
My views on vaccines have changed since Covid. I'll probably still get the flu vaccine this year after I talk with my doctor if she recommends it. She did not recommend a covid booster last year. I think I got the polio vaccine and maybe a couple of others. I'm glad that my children are not born today. Just 28 years ago they got far less vaccinations than children get today.
I no longer trust the CDC. I don't distrust everything they say, but I am 100% sure that they will present information in a political way instead of just giving facts.
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Tiger Titan [48746]
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Clearly you don't understand what I posted
Sep 14, 2023, 8:42 AM
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A child is more likely to die from those diseases unvaccinated than develop autism, even if vaccines caused it--which they don't.
My post has nothing to do with the COVID vaccine.
Vaccines are one of the greatest inventions of humankind and have saved millions if not billions. There is no gray area here. If you don't see that, you're an imbecile. So don't be one.
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Oculus Spirit [43159]
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LOL you think billions of lives have been saved
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Sep 14, 2023, 7:30 PM
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by vaccines. 1 in 36 children have autism. Vaccines in the US have never prevented deaths anywhere near 1 in 36.
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Re: LOL you think billions of lives have been saved
Sep 14, 2023, 11:24 PM
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There is 0.0 proof vaccines cause autism and anyone who believes they do is a gullible fool.
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Orange Blooded [2403]
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Re: Autism..
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Sep 13, 2023, 10:07 AM
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Your break with reality aside, please tell me you haven’t put your kids in peril by not giving them the normal/customary childhood vaccines.
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Re: Autism..
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Sep 13, 2023, 10:43 AM
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Of course he does.
The bigger problem is, it's not just his kids he's putting at risk. It's ours too. These nincompoops have managed to resurrect measles and freaking polio in the United States.
And of course, the biggest pusher of vax disinformation has been Russia. They love agitating the derps by pulling threads that systemically unravel the fabric of our society, and these nincompoops demonstrate over and over again they have absolutely zero immunity to it. Check sources? Verify information? Of course not. They're all corrupt anyhow, so I'll just believe what I believe. Because of course the real purveyors of truth are on E-mail chains and 4chan and obscure subreddits.
There comes a point at which that attitude becomes a danger to everyone. I don't know where the breaking point is going to be but at some point these conspiracy theorists are going to wind up as permanent Morlocks on the fringes of society, unwelcome anywhere where rationality still reigns. One could argue they're probably past the point of no return on that already. When there's ten thousand Manson Families all running around out there spreading QAnon-type crazy, it sort of reinforces itself and becomes its own kind of pandemic. I don't even know how you'd begin to go about unwinding that knot, either.
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This is why bullying was useful.
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Sep 13, 2023, 10:47 AM
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We used to keep this kind of nonsense mostly hidden because people were ashamed to show their craziness.
Now they wear like a ######### badge of honor.
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Sep 13, 2023, 10:53 AM
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The classic "your putting me at risk"
If the SHHITT works than what the F does it matter if I don't take it
MORONS
Revelation 18:23
"because all the nations were deceived by your witchcraft"
FOLLOW THE MONEY - No cures just residual customers
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Because when enough people don't take it, it DOESN'T work.
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Do you not actually know what the mechanism of a vaccine in a large population is? Your eagerness to spread your willful ignorance is dangerous.
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Re: Because when enough people don't take it, it DOESN'T work.
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He’s way past dangerous and he’s probably already brainwashed/infected his kids with his madness as well. I used to feel sorry for the guy, now I just feel sorry for his family.
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They didn't resurrect it, they were just more susceptible to
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Sep 13, 2023, 11:05 AM
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catching it from all of our illegal friends flowing across the border coming from places it's still endemic. I think that's a pretty big distinction.
The insane covid vaccine push has also made many people very wary who otherwise would not have been. So let's place blame where it belongs here...there was a small fringe element who resisted all vaccines pre-covid, but the covid lunacy helped blow it up.
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Re: They didn't resurrect it, they were just more susceptible to
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another great point if they actually believed it
Also, Tedros(the F_ing head of the WHO) even admitted he is unvaxxed - I'll dig up the video later
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Fun Fact:
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if you're vaccinated, you're (essentially) not susceptible to polio, smallpox, measles, mumps, etc., but I'm impressed that you seamlessly shifted the blame to illegal immigrants instead of people choosing not to get longstanding vaccines (remember, that was the key difference between why those vaccines were acceptable and Covid vaxes weren't).
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Too many idiots have equated the covid vaccine to long-
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standing vaccines.
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That happens when you market it like it's as effective as
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Sep 13, 2023, 11:26 AM
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those long standing vaccines and it turns out not to be.
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I never saw it marketed as such.***
Sep 13, 2023, 11:27 AM
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You never saw it touted as 95% effective?
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Sep 13, 2023, 11:35 AM
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Safe from covid if you get it? The rhetoric about how we never would have eradicated polio if people were as resistant to that vaccine as they were to the covid vaccine?
It was pushed as a covid cure-all....Remember, we could all get back to our lives as normal if everyone would just get vaccinated! It was so important govt. was going to force your employer to fire you if you refuse to get it.
That kind of propaganda is directly responsible for the amount of public distrust we are now seeing. Of course that distrust and resentment is going to carry over to other vaccines for many people.
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I think it prob was for the first strain.
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But after it mutated, it was a game of catch up we'll never win. At least that my reason why I won't get any more covid shots. Its kind of pointless.
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Re: I think it prob was for the first strain.
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Yet, the ‘it is will save you’ sales pitch for the original COVID vax was still pushed with the same intensity even after the original COVID virus mutated into less dangerous forms. The marketing remained the same, the safety of the vax did not improve, but yet the efficacy of the vax declined. Coercive marketing, I should have said. Autocratic leaning state bureaucracies forced the same COVID vax on their citizens; going to school = must get vax / going to college = must get vax / going to public place = must get vax. Even long after it was proven that COVID vax neither prevented catching COVID nor spreading COVID.
It is refreshing to learn of anyone who pays attention to what is going on out there. Compare and contrast the marketing pitch vs (1st) to anecdote and then (2nd) data [ideally from both govt -&- non-govt sources. Good job!
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I know you're a smart dude, but come on.
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It *was* 95% effective, on the original strain. It's completely unknown if they rolled it out quicker and everyone actually got it if it would've prevented mutations as quickly as they were.
But even still, it had a higher than 0% efficacy rate and the side effects of the vaccine were less severe than the damage Covid caused.
Good news is that the permanent vaccines we're get are for diseases that don't mutate the same way as Covid, so we're good - but people still stupidly equate them, which was my point.
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Really? You believe this?
Sep 14, 2023, 5:52 AM
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“ a higher than 0% efficacy rate and the side effects of the vaccine were less severe than the damage Covid caused”
Remember one of the symptoms of Covid was “no symptoms”
And the vax was never 95% effective… for any strand.
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Yes, obviously.
Sep 14, 2023, 7:53 AM
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And the history of what we've learned now has shown that is the case.
The permanent damage from Covid is worse than the side effects of the vaccine.
Thought that number was high, I remember it somewhere in the 70's percentage wise, but the main point was that the highest efficacy number was for the first strain.
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Re: I know you're a smart dude, but come on.
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The only people that ever equated the covid shot with a traditional vaccine where the sheeple. Critics of the covid shot knew from the get-go that it was a rewrite of RNA because it was presented as such. Those from the Left didn't trust it because Donald Trump was for it. Doubts about the efficacy of it plus potential complications that could arise from such a new therapy is what the anti-vaxxers were up in arms about. Keep rewriting history though.
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The initial phase-3 data showed ~95% efficacy...
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against the original covid strand.
As the virus mutated the efficacy against infection dropped, but the vaccines were still effective against serious disease/hospitalization.
I don't think it's fair to say that the vax was "marketed" any different than the data at the time indicated, right? The virus changed...the data changed as a result. And the vax was still a HUGE "win" in term of limiting the severity of the impact of the virus.
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Re: The initial phase-3 data showed ~95% efficacy...
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Less than 99.6 % of those who contracted Covid died so the mRNA rewrite did nothing.
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That can't possibly be a serious post.***
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Well it was illegal immigrants fault those diseases came
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back in the first place. Do you think the unvaccinated just conjured them up after they had been eradicated for decades? I clearly stated the unvaccinated were more susceptible, but they aren't the root cause of the problem either.
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Just no.
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Illegal immigration has been a problem long before those diseases made a come back. You can map their return alongside the creation of the autism myth and the spread of the myth. Those diseases weren't reemerging in the 80s and 90s.
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Except now we're seeing huge flows of people from all around
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the world and not just Mexico/South America. Measles and polio is endemic in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. To tie this back to the covid discussion, it was also curious our public health officials never seemed too concerned about stopping the flow of illegal immigrants who were all but guaranteed to not have the covid vaccine.
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Wrong the blame was shifted to Americans who do not wish to take vaccines
He was simply pointing out that illegals vax status is not questioned
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Re: They didn't resurrect it, they were just more susceptible to
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Dude, 1.1 million people in the US have died from COVID since 2020. That's what's insane. Did our public health services handle it well? Yes and no...for all that I loathe Trump, he did do the right thing by incentivizing drug companies to develop the vaxxes with Operation Warp Speed. MRNA vaxxes were customizable delivery platforms awaiting a pandemic, and when one happened, those vaxxes saved uncounted numbers of lives.
Where we really messed up was in coming out with any kind of coherent public-health policy. And here's where I absolutely do blame Trump. His message was...muddled to the point of insanity, and he basically declared war on Fauci because his narcissistically insecure self couldn't stand the fact that Fauci was popular. Declaring war on your own infectious-disease chief in the middle of a pandemic is not exactly the way to create good policy. So every state was left to muddle through on its own, trying to negotiate their way through a deluge of misinformation and a pandemic that had been stupidly politicized by a populist leader because populist leaders politicize and bring chaos to everything; that's all they know how to do.
Yeah, it was a train wreck. And that's almost entirely on Trump. Anybody else would have just said: this is the disease, it's serious, this is the vax the docs recommend, take it. Best odds you'll get. And there the matter would have - and should have - died. Let doctors be doctors.
And the medical community would agree with only half of your statement regarding the reason for these new outbreaks. Sure, imported diseases played a role. But anti-vax disinformation has played an immense role in the resurrection of formerly eradicated diseases too.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2019/04/measles-media/588130/
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Biden trying to force it on the population via OSHA at the
Sep 13, 2023, 11:41 AM
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very least did as much to politicize it and cause chaos as anything Trump did.
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That was a huge overstep of authority.
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Governments, especially locally, saw some chances at the beginning of the covid craze to over step their boundaries and jumped at it. Just like they do with cops in small towns.
I'll never forget seeing two Mt Pleasant police cars parked in front of Shem Creek boat landing for days at a time with their blue lights flashing.
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Re: Died WITH Covid.
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There is not a single word in there 99.99% of doctors would agree with.
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Re: Died WITH Covid.
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You suffer from cognitive dissonance to a greater degree than anyone I'e ever read on Tigernet. Fauci's own flip flopping and outright lies were responsible for the lack of coherent policy. You're perfectly programmed.
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Have you reasoned through that BS that you just wrote?
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How are those bi-polar meds working?
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Re: Autism.. why do U care so much?
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If you and your loved ones and friends get take all vaccines that exist, then you, none of your loved ones, or friends will get the diseases for which those vaccines provide protection.
In other words, why does the anti-vax thing get your knickers in a wad?
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Re: Autism.. why do U care so much?
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Because anti-vaxxers push myths that kill children.
That's why.
Also, why didn't you respond to Flow's post the other day where he completely wrecked you?
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Peril - LOL
How are all of us born before 1983 alive?
look at some actual research not done by the people making a profit
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The home office has been preparing more slides for you.
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How unenlightened.
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SOP from the sop.***
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Re: Autism..
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An actual productive line of inquiry - were you a rational human being - would be this: okay, so drug companies now have more latitude and less oversight than they once did, and so there's plenty of incentive for them to send their little dark-money gnomes out to influence lawmakers who make public policy to work vaxxes with little necessity or little benefit. With you so far. We know dark money is everywhere now, and we know how much K-Street's little goblins like cutting deals in backrooms with bent politicians...which is most of them. Happens all the time.
Here's where you lose me: the idea that these vaxxes cause autism, the drug companies know it, and are pushing this poison anyhow. I'm fully on board with the idea that Big Pharma is greedy as he!!, feeding like hogs at the public trough because that's what Big Everything does. I'd even fully entertain the notion, again, that a lot of these vaxxes are possibly either pointless or largely ineffective. But the big thing that terrifies virtually every drug company is liability. If they knowingly go making Rain Men out of millions of kids, at some point, doctors are going to notice (you know, like they did with oxycontin) and the drug company is not just going to be found out and sued, they're going to be dragged out by their hair by hordes of angry parents and lynched right on the street. Nobody wants to be the next Sackler family. Now that that Netflix movie about the Sacklers dropped, there will literally be nowhere on Earth for those godawful people to run. Untold millions of people across the globe have become their implacable enemy for all time. Enjoy being pariahs, guys.
So start doing a systemic case-by-case drug review. Find out exactly how many of these vaxxes are just opportunistic profit generators and how many are legit.
That's what you'd do, anyway, if you were actually serious about the truth of a just cause. But the truth doesn't interest you. Anytime reality disproves one of your pet theories - which is pretty much every day - you don't own it. You just blot out that you were a fool on the spot like it never happened...and go right on to the next conspiracy. And then wonder why no one ever takes you seriously.
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Re: Autism..
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The ‘vaccines cause autism’ statement is taken by those who take every vaccine imaginable as meaning that vaccines are the only cause of autism.
By arguing from that extremist perspective, the vax lovers are intending to make the vax skeptics look like the extremists.
That leftist tactic is well known. Time to the lefties to open up the playbook.
Now, on to your post.
Skepticism about the pharma companies and their puppets in the federal health agencies has been reinforced with the heralding of ‘Son of Vax’ … another EUA vaccine being prematurely foisted on the public because ‘Son of Covid’ is rumbling behind Mt. Fujiyama. The focus on widespread deployment of experimental vaccines shields the pharma companies from liability; the self-governing ‘greed suppressant’ has been neutered.
Seen the original. Not interested in the sequel.
As for non-covid vaccines, we are hearing about multipurpose vaccines to be combined into a single shot, with COVID and flu being the talk of the new combo. Going way back, the MMRT (mumps, measles, rubella, tetanus) seemed to work OK, although the statistical studies done years later to establish correlation between multi-purpose vaccinations to the increase in autism rates in kids were few and far between. Understandable, because, many decades ago with the development of one of the polio vaccines (I think it was the live virus version), there were lots of deaths (an event which the government covered up … also for decades).
Spoiler alert: The federal government does not like to look bad, and as long as it is up to the federal government to investigate itself, then the investigations are at high risk of being neither thorough nor properly targeted.
Summary: Each incidence when our federal health agencies are caught with multiple big lies with regard to a single disease, as was the case with COVID 19, then healthy skepticism proliferates.
Where are the multi-pronged therapeutic approaches?
OK, beddy bye time.
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https://learntherisk.org/ Home Page - Learn the Risk THE REALITY OF OUR HEALTH The United States is sicker than ever. The U.S. spends more than any other country on healthcare yet has more chronic health issues than any other country. Half of all adults in the U.S. have a chronic illness, and nearly half will eventually die of cancer. We are exposed to a cocktail of synthetic chemicals […]
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person with no medical or scientific education whatsoever?"
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Where do you get all the powerpoints from?
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For someone who seems to be all about "doing your own research", you certainly seem to rely a lot on others.
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Can one of you anti vaxxers provide...
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A single peer-reviewed scientific study from an actual doctor or scientist--not a finance professor or Concerned Mommy blogger or Jenny McCarthy--that provides valid evidence that the MMR vaccine causes autism?
I'll take silence as a no, and I'm pretty sure that's what I'm going to get.
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