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Come on Dabo.enough
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of the coachspeak and saying no to your OC, just fix the offense and get on the same page. You can’t win championships without all phases of the game working. It might work for one game, but over the long haul of a potential championship season, you need to be clicking on all cylinders with your team and coaches, and still have a little luck to go your way. It is obvious there is still a lot of work and accountability needed to get this team back to the top, even despite a big rival win over the Gamecocks that we are all celebrating.
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Why do you think we should have thrown the ball more?
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:33 PM
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I'll hang up and listen.
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Re: Why do you think we should have thrown the ball more?
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:37 PM
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I’m not trying to be mean or rude, but did you even read the OP? Like, at all?
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Yes. Dabo asked for fewer passes and the poster disagreed.
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:44 PM
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I thought we threw it too much. Losing a game to prepare for next year seems oddly ridiculous. Surely there is more to it than that.
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Re: Yes. Dabo asked for fewer passes and the poster disagreed.
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:47 PM
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I thought it was a little more big picture than one game. The Clemson offense has been stuck on repeat for 3 years.
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Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:49 PM
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and probably threw the ball a few too many times. It was the right thing to do.
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Re: Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:17 PM
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I didn’t call him out, LOL. I agree conservative was the way. I just can’t believe the offense is literally right back where it was in 21’. Bad OL, ineffective injured WRs, ineffective QB. RBs just decent. Another incredible defense wasted. Why are they doing this? Why won’t Clemson fix the stinking offense? Why is the staff so bad? (Not GR). Does anyone have an answer that’s not, “well, we got help on the way!”
HOW DO YOU UN-EFF THIS OFFENSE? I want to beat Georgia and go back to the playoffs. How can that happen with the same offense coming back plus a few freshman? The answer is it can not. Something else has to happen.
It’s starts with replacing deadbeat coaches and friends, and ends with the transfer portal.
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Re: Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:21 PM
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You were one of the guys that said fire Streeter and was so Happy when Riley was hired and now after one year you want him fired?
Please !!!!!
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Re: Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
Nov 29, 2023, 4:38 PM
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To be fair, he did say in his post, "(Not GR)"
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Re: Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:25 PM
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Don’t forget “fans” that have no clue but think they know more than the coach. Yes I’m referring to a few on this thread. Wow it appears tigernet invited a boat load more of the 1.5 brigade. USC needs you on their team!!
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Re: Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
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You do realize that the “injured” part of your post pretty much explains it all. Regardless of the numbers Cade played light years better than DJU did in 21. If Wesco is half of what’s advertised and Brown returning we just need a couple of those injured players to show up next year. When you have a limited passing game and no real down field threat the defense can be one dimensional. That makes the OL look worse than it is and the RBs are far more than decent but limited by the lack of passing game. And the “deadbeat coaches and friends” comment is hack, ######## troll nonsense. Pretty sad when you let that crap actually get in your head.
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Re: Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:39 PM
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We said that about Ladson, Collins, Ngata, EJ Williams - all high 4 & 5 stars - lousy coaching and huge underperformance. In other words, if we don't coach the new guys up - results will be mixed.
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Re: Then don't call out the coach for asking to throw it less in a game we won
Nov 29, 2023, 4:24 PM
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So injuries don’t play a role and 3* Tyler Brown is gutting it out on pure talent? There are a lot of contradictions to reconcile.
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Re: Did you not see how the transfer portal failed for Colorado
Nov 29, 2023, 4:34 PM
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But they are out recruiting us each year. Are we like #17 and Georgia top 5. This has been going on for awhile and is catching up to us.
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Re: Did you not see how the transfer portal failed for Colorado
Nov 29, 2023, 4:43 PM
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The difference is the 4 UGA transfers actually play and contribute and UGA has the #1 recruiting class for 2024 so they don't have any real gaps to fill or spots to use.
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Re: Not trying to be mean or rude, but did you read his response????
Nov 27, 2023, 6:29 PM
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We’ve already established that reading comprehension is not his strong suit.
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Re: Why do you think we should have thrown the ball more?
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:41 PM
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Absolutely not Saturday night. But that offense needs work between now and next year to compete for a championship. And I mean alot of work. Not to mention better protection, better wide outs, better downfield vision, better ball security, better play calls, agreement amongst the staff etc. etc.
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Re: Why do you think we should have thrown the ball more?
Nov 29, 2023, 4:28 PM
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Ok, so how specifically do you do that?
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Just curious. Are the people saying Cade should have thrown it more...
Nov 29, 2023, 4:42 PM
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....the same people that were upset when he threw it 50 times in the bowl game last year?
Adage: You just can't please some folks.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:37 PM
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No, our issue is big nasty offensive linemen.
Thomas Austin.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 27, 2023, 5:38 PM
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This
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 27, 2023, 5:37 PM
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Quit this undying loyalty nonsense and recruit or portal GR a QB that can throw it
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:45 PM
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Idiotic!
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Did you not see how the transfer portal turned out for Colorado
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:18 PM
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Depending on the transfer portal doesn’t work. The number one team in the nation has the same amount of transfers we do. And we have plenty of talent coming in, in the upcoming recruiting class.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:39 PM
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Man I hope Dabo reads this, I’m sure he doesn’t know what needs to be done to get to a championship. It blows my mind how people who’ve never coached anything meaningful truly believe they know more than a two time national championship coach.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 5:49 PM
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He has said it many times before. “I know what is wrong and I will get it fixed.”
I think what you are hearing from fans is impatience and a questioning of how long that will take and some wanting to see some evidence that we are back on the right track.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Impatient fans? If they are impatient with Dabo they are not impatient they are stupid ! And spoiled and ignorant and little brats!
Where have you all been since Dabo has been coach?
Look at ahis record!
Dabo is The Man!!!
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 27, 2023, 6:43 PM
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I guess I should have said “spoiled” instead 
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 29, 2023, 4:32 PM
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Nobody knows how long it will take. When the players with the ability to turn it around come play here, then you will see improvement.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 29, 2023, 8:33 PM
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simple solution!
better recruits-better results!
get Scott involved ASAP!
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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So if you know so much why is Dabo the coach and not you!
You are whining and complaining after a win.
Actually 4 wins in a row.
You don’t even know what the problem is or when to question and when to cheer!
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:01 PM
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Last year we were beyond frustrated that Streeter abandoned the run game against the Gamecocks and we lost a game we should have won. This year Dabo, knowing the situation with our WR injuries was very similar, came into the game intending to lean on what we do best. Play great D and consume clock with the run game. As you might imagine, Riley also is using every game as an opportunity to further develop Cade as a passer. Dabo did the right thing by reminding the offensive staff that the plan was to manage the game, avoid turnovers and wear out their defense. I suspect Dabo was just as frustrated as all of us with the INT in the endzone.
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It was actually pass interference on the interception
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:20 PM
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The shamecock player shoved Tyler Brown out of the way to make the interception
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Why should there have been more passes against the coots? The goal is to win the game. How do you defeat a team with a dynamic QB like Rattler? A: you keep him off the field by eating clock. That means RUN the ball. Especially if you have a Shipley and a Mafah.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:11 PM
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Agreed! This is what I was yelling as soon as we went up by two possessions in the 2nd half. It was very evident what type of game this was which was field position & defense so there was absolutely zero reason to start throwing the ball all over the place to a depleted WR group who were dropping passes hitting them in the hands anyway.
Winning games running the ball are never pretty on CFB stat sheets but it was exactly the formula to win that game Saturday night & it worked!! 219 yds rushing at 5yds a pop is not something that you abandon when leading by two possessions.
Of course all my friends etc just kept saying our offense sucked 😂
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Yup. Its like some of these dudes grew up on xBox
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and have no earthly idea how this game is actually played. I guess some dudes think since they can score points on a video game then they understand football.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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...so how would we all feel today if the stats were reversed and we passed for over 219 passing yards and 100 rushing yards and lost the game 16-7. You do what you think is the best plan you have. You play to win the game!
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 27, 2023, 6:46 PM
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Like I did against Duke…
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:06 PM
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Come On JP.enough let the ones who ride decide!
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Win ugly win pretty win boring win fun
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:09 PM
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Win running win throwing win kicking win tackling.
Theyve just won four in a row
Who cares how. Just win, baby.
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Tell 'em 16-7 coot, no one knows losing better than you
Nov 27, 2023, 7:47 PM
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Shut up. Three receivers out, and one playing with..
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a broken hand, Sage Ennis was out, and a bunch of players and coaches had the flu. We were having to play inexperienced TE’s at the WR spot.
The three previous games the offense had made huge strides.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:29 PM
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You invested 20 years to be this much of a chode?
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Explaining to Dabo how to win a National Championship. Too bad you weren’t around in ‘44 to tell Eisenhower how to win WWII.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
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Nov 27, 2023, 6:40 PM
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When did it start mattering how you win, as long as you win? Dabo has never been much for style points, just one more point will do.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 27, 2023, 7:09 PM
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of the coachspeak and saying no to your OC, just fix the offense and get on the same page. You can’t win championships without all phases of the game working. It might work for one game, but over the long haul of a potential championship season, you need to be clicking on all cylinders with your team and coaches, and still have a little luck to go your way. It is obvious there is still a lot of work and accountability needed to get this team back to the top, even despite a big rival win over the Gamecocks that we are all celebrating.
Now what you think would have happened if we PASSED the ball more and lost?...
You and everybody on here(kinda like what yall are doing now) would be pi$$ing and moaning about why Dabo didn't have CGR run the ball more...
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Fooling no one coot
Nov 27, 2023, 7:47 PM
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 27, 2023, 7:54 PM
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Back when we had generational QBs AND stud WRs, I remember there being a lot of talk about chunk plays or explosive plays - in other words plays of over 20 yards. It was a big deal and Dabo and other coaches talked about it quite a bit. Part of the reason we were winning so much was that we were in the top 10 in explosive plays.
This guy explains the five most important things to winning football games in this article:
https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/1/24/5337968/college-football-five-factors
but the main explanation for the importance of chunk plays is in this excerpt:
Big plays are probably the single most important factor to winning football games. The team more adept at creating numbers advantages and getting a guy into the open field, or the team that can simply outman its opponent and win one-on-one battles will almost certainly generate more big plays and win more games. And as pointed out in my Four Truths column, big plays also allow you to avoid killing yourself.
Nothing is more demoralizing than giving up a 20-play, 80-yard, nine-minute drive. But unless your team is Navy, that doesn't happen too often. Defensive coaches often teach their squads the concept of leverage -- prevent the ball-carrier from getting the outside lane, steer him to the middle, make the tackle, and live to play another down. It is the bend-don't-break style of defense, and it often works because if you give the offense enough opportunities, they might eventually make a drive-killing mistake, especially at the collegiate level. If you allow them 40 yards in one play, their likelihood of making a drive-killing mistake plummets.
THIS IS THE THING TYHAT HAS MOST LIMITED OUR OFFENSIVE (and overall) SUCCESS IN THE LAST THREE YEARS - OUR INABILITY TO STRETCH THE DEFENSE AND SCORE EXPLOSIVE PLAYS.
I wish I could find the stats to get the number of explosive plays for us over the last ten years. I think that would be an interesting indicator.
I don't know who might be responsible for this - QBs? WRs? Coaches ? But our lack of explosiveness is the thing that is severly limitiong our offense.
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Re: Come on Dabo.enough
Nov 29, 2023, 4:26 PM
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Thanks Tyler…….you may leave now.
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I believe your point was ...
Nov 29, 2023, 8:01 PM
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of the coachspeak and saying no to your OC, just fix the offense and get on the same page. You can’t win championships without all phases of the game working. It might work for one game, but over the long haul of a potential championship season, you need to be clicking on all cylinders with your team and coaches, and still have a little luck to go your way. It is obvious there is still a lot of work and accountability needed to get this team back to the top, even despite a big rival win over the Gamecocks that we are all celebrating.
In 2023, without a balanced offense, Clemson could only beat poor to average teams. We lost to Duke (who lost to UVA), and Miami (who lost to GaT) and NCSU ... all on the road.
Yet the team did improve and took undefeated FSU to OT and beat a quality Notre Dame team at home for our best win of the season. Some are satisfied with 8-4. Others are not. Those who state Clemson could beat SCU without passing are correct. Those who state Clemson's Offense must be balanced to beat most quality teams are correct.
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