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What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 8:28 AM
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Bullet pointed for the TLDR mental midgets.
1. Trump wanted this raid from the beginning, and he and his family hoped it would result in a successful coup. They were likely banking on the capture or killing of enough Dem Congressmen and women, then they would pretend to be tough on the perps while seizing power.
2. The Trump family, filmed by his cocaine-addled son Don Jr., were all tailgating, watching and celebrating the demonstration before the assault on the Capitol while playing "Gloria". Go to his Facebook page to take a look.
3. Those who raided the Capitol were not there "just to brag about it". Nooses were on display outside. "Death to the Media" was spray painted on doors. Several of the terrorists had ziptie restraints on their belts, and one said he was ready to take hostages. The only reason it just looked like a bunch of showing off is because they weren't able to get to any actual Congress members to harm them. Imagine a scenario in your mind where they actually find Nancy Pelosi in her office.
4. Back to point 3, had law enforcement not successfully retaken the Capitol, we would eventually had hostage situations and potentially executions. If you think that's ridiculous, go look up past cases when an angry mob like this takes over the main government building in a nation.
5. Trump's team made sure law enforcement support was at a minimum. Contrast it to the BLM protests where National Guard and extra police were called in to back up DC police. On Wednesday, Trump would not call in the Guard at first. The Maryland governor tried to send in his Guard, but was rebuked by the White House.
6. A police officer has died from injuries during the riot, and the worst of the worst Trumpies have exhibited more outrage over the QAnon woman who died (and had it coming) than they are over a man who just got up to do his job that day. tigermanac® and T3Tiger® are your two main culprits on here.
7. This was an attempted coup to capture and remove, possibly even kill, Congressmen and women and maintain Trump's power. Any attempts to paint it as something else are silly at best.
8. Antifa/BLM had absolutely nothing to do with Wednesday. It's all been debunked, including that badly Photoshopped CNN screenshot.
9. Sen. Josh Hawley and Sen. Mo Brooks should, at best, be censured by Congress and, at worst, removed and charged. They were co-conspirators in this effort.
10. The perps are being rounded up and will be federally charged. They're going to prison for a long time. In a nice twist of irony, they could face 10 years due to Trump's EO regarding federal monuments.
11. Trump basically conceded in his speech last night because he finally knows he's been beaten, and prison time likely awaits. But even better, he completely threw all those rioters under the bus; just 24 hours before, he was cheering them on. It just goes to show, Trump never cared about any of his supporters. None of them. Even you, Keowee.
12. I don't have a good answer as to what Trump's punishment should be (other than getting him in prison somehow), but it's clear that going forward, new security measures need to be put in place when a president fails to win a 2nd term. We obviously can't trust the person to be another Carter or Bush Sr. who actually has the dignity to leave with grace. We clearly have seen loopholes where a wanna be dictator
13. It was ugly, but America still won. The sane majority still won. The strength of our institutions won. Fascists who don't respect our democracy or freedom, and who wanted a dictator, lost. You lost, Manac (only because I know you had planned to join that riot, so I'm including you). You lost, T3 (since you've cheered this on).
Finally, I leave you with this imbecile from Wednesday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTX-VSgxR-8
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 8:29 AM
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Here's a key question......
Jan 8, 2021, 8:30 AM
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Was it Gloria by U2 or Laura Branigan? It makes a huge difference in whether I drop everything and go help or banish these people to hellll forever, so please hurry with response.
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Branigan, bruh
Jan 8, 2021, 8:35 AM
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You can't use U2's music when you're trying to orchestrate a fascist coup.
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That's about the level of musical appreciation I'd expect
Jan 8, 2021, 8:39 AM
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from these people. Eff em all.
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I nominate the woman in that video as
Jan 8, 2021, 8:31 AM
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Trump supporter of the year!
What a patriot.
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and point 4.....
Jan 8, 2021, 8:33 AM
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you mean when an angry mob occupies a govt building like this? Not listing this in any type of support, just noting the number of executions that occurred by a group of people that probably had a lot of overlap with the ones in the Capitol. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514.
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You think that's bad?
Jan 8, 2021, 8:34 AM
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What about Obama's socialism?
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Obama tookerjerbs.***
Jan 8, 2021, 8:35 AM
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Thanks for proving my point
Jan 8, 2021, 8:37 AM
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That building had enough law enforcement to protect it, and eventually, the Capitol did too.
If you go back and read what I was saying, I said had this occupation gone unchecked or wasn't dispersed, it would have turned into what I predicted.
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But those protesters were better armed than the DC ones.
Jan 8, 2021, 8:43 AM
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stillll...nothing but some yelling. We agree that these people are idiots.....I'm just feelin like your predicted outcome is colored a little by your high level disdain of them. It's not much different than someone on the right just presuming that the average Antifa person is out to slit old ladies throats for fun.
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In Michigan...
Jan 8, 2021, 8:44 AM
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Was their goal ever to actually take the building and stage a coup? The rioters yesterday made it clear that was their goal.
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I can't say I've done deep dives on it, but I've read a good
Jan 8, 2021, 8:52 AM
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bit and I have to say I don't know what their goal was, nor if it was some singular collective goal. Seems like they were just trying to delay the vote certification as a protest measure rather than harboring any thoughts of actually taking over the government.
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So the nooses and the restraints?
Jan 8, 2021, 8:53 AM
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Just standard costume garb for right wing idiot?
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Don't pretend you don't get symbolism.
Jan 8, 2021, 8:59 AM
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Like I said last night, that "gallows" was worse than a high school theater prop when it came to actual utility.
I'll qualify my statements one more time, because I feel it's necessary, by saying that these people are all idiots. We just differ in that I think a very, very select few actually intended real bodily harm vs just making a big scene and mistakenly feeling like they were doing something important by being there.
The world's a really soft place when it all comes down to it. You're not going to just randomly get that many average joes with a thirst for killing and an instant comfort level with it in one place. Look at the video once the girl got shot....it's a bunch of yelling and OMG GET HELP typical human reaction.....they didn't descend on that agent and kill him like they had the numbers to do if so inclined.
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Hey, I know we're in agreement...
Jan 8, 2021, 9:07 AM
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These people are idiots and pieces of ####. But I'm taking my opinions from other examples in history where something similar happen.
And you know what? Maybe most of them arrived without intent of harming someone. But that's the problem. The select few who did--and likely were leaders--are all it takes to stir up a mob to do something horrible. They've already proven my point; it only took a few of them to convince the others to commit a federal crime by storming the Capitol.
Let's say they had gotten their hands on Pelosi and help didn't arrive. Do you think there were people there who would want to execute her? Even just a few? Okay, so they try to carry it out. Do you think that mob stops them? Or do they stand and cheer? Most of that mob doesn't likely want to shed blood, but if an individual like that finds himself in the mob, and sees Buffalo Man about to hang her from the rafters, is he coming out of the mob to stop it?
That's the problem. The mob gives power to the select individuals who intend harm. And it emboldens them.
And given the situation, it's better for us to assume I'm right than you are, because if I'm wrong, great, no harm, no foul. If you're wrong and it isn't taken seriously in the future, you get the idea.
I seem to recall there were times you told me it was silly to think Trump would try to stir up people to do something drastic to maintain control. You were right in saying it wouldn't happen with the military, and I'm glad you were. But on the idea Trump wouldn't push for a coup through the masses, I think you've been proven dead wrong.
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Yeah, full admission, I'm willing to call a draw on that one
Jan 8, 2021, 9:12 AM
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I believe you said he would enlist the military to help him and my general point was that even if you were right, and he was so inclined, they'd never go along with it.
I'm conceding the draw because you called it that he would have to be dragged out the door kicking and screaming and I didn't see it reaching this level of tantrum.
So, cheers.
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Re: Hey, I know we're in agreement...
Jan 8, 2021, 10:18 AM
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He was going to use the "revolution by the masses" to get the military.
Once things get enough out of control, he can declare a State of Emergency...with all the special powers that grants...and of course, with his own hand-picked cronies in charge as "acting" AG, "acting" SecDef, and "acting" Homeland Security Chief.
The more you stand back and take a look at it, it's glaringly obvious what his plan was.
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I think I outlined this, at least once.
Jan 8, 2021, 10:40 AM
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I'm not as crazy as I sound. I mean his plan was, but It looked pretty clear to me.
There are STILL folks out there saying that he's staying in. I assume they mean somehow he has the military in his pocket.
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In MI, law enforcement clearly had the upper hand at all
Jan 8, 2021, 8:46 AM
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times.
The right wingers were obnoxious, but actually stayed within the limits of the law. No breaking and entering, etc.
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Epic.***
Jan 8, 2021, 8:47 AM
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The internet is a beautiful place***
Jan 8, 2021, 1:11 PM
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I’m in no way a frequent QAnon reader
Jan 8, 2021, 8:39 AM
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but casual observers have been picking up on the batshit crazy things being said by Trump, his followers, lawyers.
Lin Wood called for the execution of Mike Pence by firing squad if he did what he did Wednesday. This didn’t even elicit a response from Trump. You have to be actively ignoring your eyes and ears to think Trump and his family didn’t support this violence.
They only regret it didn’t go far enough.
At that rally guys like NJDEV6 who’ve littered this board with talk of tribunals and hangings were the rule rather than the exception.
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Let's focus on that one thing you said.
Jan 8, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Can you imagine any other president we've ever had in history keeping silent when a public figure calls for the execution of a vice president by firing squad?
There is absolutely no doubt Trump pushed and wanted a violent coup to secure his power as absolute ruler.
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Re: Let's focus on that one thing you said.
Jan 8, 2021, 10:10 AM
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Basically he wanted to set the house on fire...and then use the fire to declare a state of emergency.
At that point, it'd be Game On for the Great MAGA Coup.
Pence didn't cooperate and instead put the fire out. Whatever else you think of Pence, we owe him for that. Bigly.
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The Reichstag Fire Playbook***
Jan 8, 2021, 10:36 AM
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there's a mission here for all of us
Jan 8, 2021, 10:17 AM
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we need to counsel everyone we meet who have been swept up in these kind of manias to not give their souls away to a politician.
They obviously want us to love them. But we actually need to view them with the same level of passion and love that we have for a simple, good wrench. That's it.
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agreed. I hate them all.
Jan 8, 2021, 12:01 PM
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Every now and then one does something that I like, but I still have a distaste for 100% of them.
Even the ones that I support (by voting for them). I'm really voting for their policies, not the man (or woman). I think every politician from county school board to president of the us has selfish motives and doesn't give a rat's patoot about the people.
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Re: agreed. I hate them all.
Jan 8, 2021, 12:04 PM
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Yep. These guys don't really stand for anything, as far
Jan 8, 2021, 12:17 PM
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as I can tell.
I'm sure some do, but it isn't many of them.
Oh well.... whattayagonnado?
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In a totally serious way
Jan 8, 2021, 8:51 AM
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Please explain the coup thing to me
I guess my basic question is how does a mob of angry people fit into the equation of an attempted coup?
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agree
Jan 8, 2021, 8:53 AM
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it seems really hyperbolic, and at worst, gives them entirely too much credit.
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Re: agree
Jan 8, 2021, 8:55 AM
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Not sure what more you'd need to prove a coup attempt, other than if they had been successful.
The dumb ##### in the video said they were storming the capitol to start a revolution. A direct admission is sufficient. And she wasn't alone--there are plenty of videos of people saying the same things.
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So, did you watch the video of the maced idiot?
Jan 8, 2021, 8:55 AM
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She literally said they were storming the Capitol for the revolution.
And the guys wearing the civil war shirts with that date written on them?
How many examples do I need to give of people who came there thinking Civil War 2 was going down by their hands?
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I'm honestly not too invested in contesting the point,
Jan 8, 2021, 9:01 AM
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so happy to concede it. If you're correct, and they thought they really had a shot at literally taking over the US government, I hope you now see just how harmless (by sheer incompetence) these people ultimately are.
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Re: I'm honestly not too invested in contesting the point,
Jan 8, 2021, 9:09 AM
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I see how well our authorities and Guard can stop them when given time and preparation to do it, and that pleases me. I'm also pleased to see the overwhelming majority of Americans who opposed what happens, and that comforts me as well.
Was doesn't comfort is how easily they got in there and what could have happened, and how well orchestrated it was by the Trump admin to attempt it.
As stated in another post, perhaps I'm hyperbolic here. But it's better to err on the side of my hyperbole than your skepticism in this matter.
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If they truly thought they were taking over the government,
Jan 8, 2021, 9:32 AM
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they would have brought a Shiite-load more guns.
Those t-shirts were printed - because someone thought that would be a cool thing to print on a t-shirt.
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That’s a great point.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:37 AM
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You make tshirts for frat parties and family reunions.
No one seriously makes a T-shirt for a legit coup. If anything the tshirts disqualify the coup claim.
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Re: In a totally serious way
Jan 8, 2021, 8:53 AM
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Coup: a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
It was sudden. It was violent. It was an illegal attempt to seize power from government. It failed, but it was attempted.
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Re: In a totally serious way
Jan 8, 2021, 9:12 AM
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Dude, take an Ativan. It was not an attempted coup. Most of those guys that invaded the Capitol I suspect have much more than a passing knowledge of firearms and how to use them. It was a bunch of nut jobs acting out to disrupt the proceedings. I'm not aware of any coups where unarmed folks stopped to take photos and sit around in government offices smiling and profiling.
If this had been a true coup attempt, there would have been lots of guns used, people shot, bombs set off, etc. Furthermore, The military would have put this down like an old dog.
To claim this was an attempted coup is as hyperbolic as some of the stuff Trump has claimed.
You'll know a coup when you see it. It would involve tanks and the active participation of the military.
Furthermore, the protest in DC involved a very large crowd. The number of rioters and hoodlums who stormed the interior of the Capitol was a small fraction of the protestors. However, as this was overall a large crowd, even with a small percentage being rioters, it was a significant penetration of the Capitol. I think you do a disservice to the vast majority of folks who peacefully protested as was their absolute right. You tar these folks the same way those on the right tarred the nonviolent majority of BLM protestors.
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Re: In a totally serious way
Jan 8, 2021, 9:15 AM
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1. It was. Sorry that you're wrong on this. Just because it didn't look like what you imagine a coup looked like doesn't mean it wasn't one.
2. To your last point, I have not lumped any of the peaceful demonstrators in with the idiots who stormed the Capitol.
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Re: In a totally serious way
Jan 8, 2021, 11:00 AM
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It might not be as easy as you think to carry guns on the streets of DC, much less in the Pennsylvania Avenue corridor, and even less so to a presidential speech. DC is not Lansing. Guns are mostly illegal. And tons of cameras, plainclothes, undercover officers out and about whenever the president speaks who know how to spot guns.
The current/former cops/military who participated in storming the Capitol would also have known this.
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Here's the logical way it could have played out in Trump's
Jan 8, 2021, 9:20 AM
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and Q Anon's collective smooth brains: hostage situation = national emergency, = martial law, = suspended election/election results indefinitely. I think the part people are tripping over is that Trump doesn't care about the idiots who raided the Capitol. They don't also have to win in this situation.
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It's funny that we all agree they're morons.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:25 AM
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Some of you just think they're morons with elaborate tactical planning and coordination skills and the indifference to killing of a trained assassin.
You've got a few typical milita rednecks and ton of hurr durr Instagram morons.
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There's a myriad of photos, quotes, and anecdotes that are
Jan 8, 2021, 9:38 AM
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like puzzle pieces at this point. When they start coming together over the next few weeks, we'll have a clearer picture of how organized this was or wasn't.
Some examples:
https://twitter.com/faineg/status/1347366564266442757?s=20
This guy appears to be a Tennessee LEO.
https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1347332862266257409?s=20
This guy has been identified as a military academy graduate with multiple security clearances. Video of him directing traffic in multiple spots in what appears to be a coordinated plan, i.e., not a guy taking selfies with statues.
https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347036381667872768?s=20
Now, to be clear, I think we all agree that it would be a stretch to believe the couple thousand people who streamed into the Capitol were all in on some grandiose plan. I'm sure that large majority were just along for the ride. But that also doesn't eliminate the possibility that a smaller, more coordinated group had a plan and directives from...somewhere. Somewhere dumb, like Q Anon, or somewhere more sinister, like an actual federal agency.
Anyway, whatever, not trying to be a conspiracy lunatic like the people I've been mocking for the past few years, but, I imagine there will be some surprising things that come to light in the coming weeks as this gets pieced together. There were too many coincidences on Wednesday.
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It is a bit early to judge the actual intent***
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Re: It is a bit early to judge the actual intent***
Jan 8, 2021, 9:49 AM
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If a guy with his face covered is running around in the Capitol with zipties, I think we can judge intent.
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Shy maintenance guy?
Jan 8, 2021, 9:54 AM
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You can fix a lot of stuff with a zip tie.
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You raise a good point.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:53 AM
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In every one of these events that go sideways over the past couple years....BLM, Antifa, the Capitol incident, you have a ton of useful idiots on hand that enable the events to occur. But in the middle of it all, there always seem to be a select few individuals who seem better equipped and trained than everyone else and seem to have a pretty good grasp on manipulating mob actions.
I suspect these people aren't hobbyists or just concerned citizens out showing they care, and I really think we would get to the bottom of a lot of the country's issues if we outed and arrested these people, and more importantly, uncovered exactly whose payroll they're on. I can't say I'd be surprised if they ultimately roll up to the same employer.
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There’s definitely more organization to many of these events
Jan 8, 2021, 10:04 AM
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than meets the eye. I remember being blown away at the 2003 Peach Bowl against Tennessee when we realized that every one of the scalpers outside of the Georgia Dome was operating under central instructions and price controls. It just seems like it was a haphazard, random market, but every bit of it was coordinated.
What’s a little more sinister about Wednesday is the fact that 8 or 9 out of 10 LEOs fully agreed with the protesters and are unabashedly Team Trump. That attitude likely filters upwards through the lower levels of federal LE agencies. The crux being that talking any law enforcement into standing down or looking the other way, or even outright helping, would be far easier in this type of situation than in, say, a BLM riot.
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As one retired chief on NPR said yesterday
Jan 8, 2021, 10:09 AM
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There's no way there weren't LEOs in on this and complicit, and likely in higher ranking positions.
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Got whiplash, NJDEV done gone full blown schizophrenic.***
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Are you okay?***
Jan 8, 2021, 9:10 AM
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I feel awesome
Jan 8, 2021, 9:16 AM
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Always feels good to watch fascist uprisings take a boot to the face.
I'll feel even better in, what, 13 days?
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My family lived under a fascist in Germany in the thirties
Jan 8, 2021, 9:25 AM
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and forties. You know nothing about facism.
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Sweet!
Jan 8, 2021, 9:29 AM
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My grandfather helped kick some ####### Nazi ###. My wife's family fled Poland.
Oh, are we still pretending that what our ancestors went through makes us knowledgeable about a topic? Because it doesn't.
I'd be happy to discuss the tenets of fascism with you and why Trump embraces it, along with, you know the self-proclaimed neo Nazis who stormed the Capitol including the guy in a Camp Auschwitz hood.
But please, by all means, tell me exactly how I know nothing about fascism. Cause your family or something.
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Okay cool, so with this logic, we can put BLM to rest
Jan 8, 2021, 9:45 AM
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Thanks for your understanding
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Okay, whatever that means.***
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Re: Sweet!
Jan 8, 2021, 1:21 PM
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My own grandmother on my dad's side came across in the '30's from Germany...not speaking a word of English. Her family settled in Michigan City along with a bunch of other German expats fleeing the Reich. Her parents had been labor unionists...members of a potato-pickers' union, actually. Their great crime was they wanted a fair wage...for picking potatoes.
Hitler's gang wasn't big on unions or trade guilds. They busted those up like, well, Nazis, and my great-grandparents realized they were about fourth on Hitler's list (behind Jews, Gypsies, and Communists), and bailed...which was apparently wise. I don't have any living family I'm close with so I got into a curious-about-my-past phase awhile back and actually went on a couple of family-tree sites looking for relatives in Germany...and haven't found any. I don't know if they were killed or just changed names or ran but there are no family members with the old family name from that region anymore.
The stuff my grandmother used to tell me chilled my blood as a kid. Which is why I'm very familiar with the Nazi playbook, and those who deny there were strong aspects of that in the DNA of Trumpism are being almost criminally blind to the lessons so many people died in learning, and in our parents' and grandparents' own lifetimes. There's still some Death Camp survivors among us to this day.
We learn our history so it doesn't bite us again. It's like a cultural vaccine. Collectively we let our immunity to this brand of populism wear down and it almost bit us...hard.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:29 AM
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1) I'm afraid you've lost your mind there. That's as delusional as whatever the rednecks were thinking as they stormed the Capital.
2) Junior did seem to be in a coma. I still think that video was shot in the minutes before Trump's speech - are you thinking Jr's "T-minus" countdown was a counting down to the riot?
3) Great point - it is crazy what might have happened if Congress members were in their offices (or wherever). It's laughable that guy said he was looking for a bathroom and stumbled upon Pelosi's office. He knew exactly were it was...
5) This narrative (I hate that word) is getting on my nerves. The NG was called in for the BLM protests because multi-racial violence had already occurred in other cities - not because "black folks are coming".
6) She and others needed to be shot.
7) I'm sure a few of the rednecks believed that - even though I know he's an idiot, I'll never be convinced that Trump believed the country could be taken by force...
10) 10 years is not enough
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:34 AM
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1. Did Trump not give them a speech beforehand telling them to march on the Capitol? Did Mo Brooks not get up there and tell them to go kick ###? Has he not been trying to stop this vote since Nov. 3? Tell me exactly what's delusional about it.
2. I said it was during the rally before the riot.
3. Word. Also, now that they know who that guy is, it's clear he had sinister intentions.
5. But I didn't say it was because "black folks are coming." My point wasn't against the show of manpower back in the summer; it's that the same show of manpower wasn't there Wednesday when it clearly should have been.
6. Yeah, I'm actually surprised more weren't taken out and wouldn't have been upset if they were. You storm a federal building in DC, you deserve to catch lead.
7. I think it's more what 19B described: Create a crisis that would stop the vote and give him authority to declare martial law.
10. Amen.
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Sorry about misinterpreting #5 - folks have been making
Jan 8, 2021, 9:48 AM
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that point so they can invoke "White Privilege".
(1)and(7) - even martial law would have only lasted a few days. I have no doubt a few mouth-breathing rednecks thought they were participating in a coup - I just don't think Trump would see that as a plausible scenario.
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Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the "white privilege" narrative
Jan 8, 2021, 9:52 AM
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I see more of a "this was orchestrated to have minimal law enforcement for sinister intentions" sort of angle.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:47 AM
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Yes, this whole coup deal is as much a stretch as is some of the Pizzagate stuff. Surely, if as you allege Cat, that this was an attempted coup, there will be an FBI investigation, Congressional investigation to prove your point.
For the sake of argument, let's say these non gun toting nuts were intent on seizing power, why were many of them nonchalantly strolling in with American flags, taking selfies? That is one chill coup!
So, the coup organizers said stand down after one, yes one woman was shot and killed by law enforcement. I guess it was a low investment coup.
The good ole boys who invaded the Capitol were pretty stupid to do so, but they are not so stupid to think they could pull off a coup unarmed. No, that is indeed not how it's done.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:50 AM
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Last point, had Trump called for martial law, it would not have happened. To think so, does a disservice to all past and present military members. It's gonna be ok.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Surely, if as you allege Cat, that this was an attempted coup, there will be an FBI investigation, Congressional investigation to prove your point.
That's exactly what they're doing right now.
What do you think the intent was of the guys in 19B's post above?
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 10:03 AM
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Golf has Q school. If you are correct that this was an attempted coup, then this is a massive indictment of the failure of our public education system. Perhaps Coup school can be a part of the curriculum going forward.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 10:13 AM
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well, they could have picked any other day to stage this
Jan 8, 2021, 10:00 AM
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but they picked January 6. This is the one day, other than election day, in the four years of his administration that is actually the most significant in terms of Trump's power and control, as established by the Constitution that instructs how we go about transferring that power.
We can't dismiss the intent so easily. He invited his most loyal foot soldiers to attend and promised them it would be wild. He and his kids stoked them into a fury for two months, tweeting lie upon lie, misleading them to believe they were disenfranchised.
He whipped them into a frenzy then his old pal and personal lawyer Giuliani took the stage and called upon them to engage in "trial by combat".
This was his last stand and these people, knowingly or unknowingly participated in an actual insurrection designed to stop our democracy from functioning. Our allies around the world actually recognized the potentiality and said as much.
So don't downplay the significance of this miserable day in history, it was likely a coup.
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That's why I can't get these arguments to the contrary.
Jan 8, 2021, 10:11 AM
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All the stuff you listed. All the language. All the inciting. All the planning. All the timing.
And people are still like, "Nah, it was just a happenstance demonstration of people who wanted to take selfies and brag to the camera."
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The truth is we don't yet know
Jan 8, 2021, 10:27 AM
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but the picture is getting clearer by the day. And it really pisses me off.
Initially I had very little sympathy for the people who got caught up in it because I know they've been brainwashed. But even that tiny bit of sympathy is starting to wear off the more we see and understand what actually happened, and especially when we analyze how Trump, Cruz, Hawley and various members of extreme media have procured these outcomes along the way.
What was up with Cruz running a fundraiser off the protest/mob? No one even mentions it.
Merrick Garland needs prosecute everyone who promoted the insurrection. We know about the Trumps. There are also congress members, media members, and all the online websites that helped pave the way for this. They need to all be held accountable.
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It's simple - they're bad faith arguments made by embarrassed supporters
Jan 8, 2021, 2:24 PM
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They know they're in the wrong and this day will live infamy as a stain on the legacy of America.
They know this day will define the Trump legacy and his supporters.
So they try and downplay the severity of it so they don't look as bad.
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+1000***
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I read that onions are supposed to help if you get maced or
Jan 8, 2021, 10:53 AM
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tear gassed. Of course if that's true then she showed up there with an onion tied to her belt expecting to get maced.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
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that is how Hulk Hogan got himself to cry when he and Roddy Piper had their falling out. true story.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 11:01 AM
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Read bullet point #1 and didn't bother going any further. "Hoping for a successful coup" and "the capture or killing" of democrats. What a load of horse crap cata.
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Then please, by all means, explain what it was.
Jan 8, 2021, 11:15 AM
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And in the alternate universe where this was successful, pawacoot would be cheering it on.
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Re: Then please, by all means, explain what it was.
Jan 8, 2021, 11:51 AM
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Nope. I thought they were idiots for breaking in. No way in hale any of'em actually thought they were going to take over the government though.
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I agree.
Jan 8, 2021, 11:55 AM
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Hey Cata
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Re: Hey Cata
Jan 8, 2021, 11:44 AM
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Wow, look at you faking real human emotions and compassion again!
The key to being a high-functioning (or "primary") psychopath is to be able to do that so effectively you can indeed actually function in normal society as a human being, and hopefully without running over too many people on sidewalk on the way into work or shivving the waiter who messed up your order.
Proud of you. You're well on your way!
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Re: Hey Cata
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You literally threatened Tobias' life if there was a civil
Jan 8, 2021, 11:56 AM
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war, you're one to talk.
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Re: You literally threatened Tobias' life if there was a civil
Jan 8, 2021, 12:01 PM
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Re: You literally threatened Tobias' life if there was a civil
Jan 8, 2021, 12:14 PM
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it is amazing how you continue to take on the most respected and intelligent posters on this board, after you repeatedly get your #### handed to you.
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Re: You literally threatened Tobias' life if there was a civil
Jan 8, 2021, 12:22 PM
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Imagine being an adult and typing that.***
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IKR
Jan 8, 2021, 12:58 PM
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Re: IKR
Jan 8, 2021, 1:17 PM
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Hey guys. Anyone know where I can find the Abuse T3 subthread?
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Do not ever cry about personal attacks here...
Jan 8, 2021, 12:46 PM
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You sociopath. You're the absolute worst when it comes to that.
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Re: Do not ever cry about personal attacks here...
Jan 8, 2021, 1:00 PM
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True, but he’s undoubtedly the best at crying to the mods
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Re: Do not ever cry about personal attacks here...
Jan 8, 2021, 1:03 PM
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Someone RAed you for saying F?!?!
Jan 8, 2021, 1:36 PM
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If anything, you should be commended for getting that far in the alphabet. Let me know when you get the Sesame Street episode on K. I'll bet you'll love using that one a lot.
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^^^^ another personal attack and continued harassment
Jan 8, 2021, 1:39 PM
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You have an interesting definition of harassment
Jan 8, 2021, 1:41 PM
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on a public message board.
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Re: You have an interesting definition of harassment
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You've alienated nearly everyone, lol. At some point,
Jan 8, 2021, 1:47 PM
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one would think you'd realize that it's actually you that's the problem.
Curious as to who "y'all" is, because whenever you first started on this board, you said it was 6 posters, but I'm pretty certain you've ballooned that up to at least 20 now.
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Re: You've alienated nearly everyone, lol. At some point,
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Good, we get "nice" T3T for a few weeks.***
Jan 8, 2021, 1:57 PM
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Have you noticed the cycle too?
Jan 8, 2021, 2:12 PM
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1. T3 pretends to act civil and nice in his posts. 2. Once someone disagrees with him, he starts to get angry and insulting. 3. Full blown rage personal attacks, taking shots at a person's personal life, children, and careers. 4. Complains that he is being attacked, that he's the victim, and he's going to report you. (We are here). 5. Go back to Step 1
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Re: You have an interesting definition of harassment
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Re: You have an interesting definition of harassment
Jan 8, 2021, 2:23 PM
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Hmm, looks like those also cover telling people to kill themselves, threatening to kill someone, threatening them to meet you for a fight, and trying to find out their personal information.
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Re: You have an interesting definition of harassment
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Re: You have an interesting definition of harassment
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I also forgot to add to my response to him
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Not only do you have to identify a person to defame them, but they also have to possess a good reputation going into it.
Sooooooooooo...
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Re: I also forgot to add to my response to him
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So this is where...
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I point out I'm an expert in First Amendment law and you're not.
4. The statement must be "injurious." Since the whole point of defamation law is to take care of injuries to reputation, those suing for defamation must show how their reputations were hurt by the false statement -- for example, the person lost work; was shunned by neighbors, friends, or family members; or was harassed by the press. Someone who already had a terrible reputation most likely won't collect much in a defamation suit.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/defamation-law-made-simple-29718.htmlDefamation Law Made Simple Learn the basics of slander and libel -- the rules about who can say what without getting into legal hot water.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Uhh we’re not talking a court of law here
Jan 8, 2021, 2:51 PM
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Wait...
Jan 8, 2021, 2:52 PM
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You're not going to respond to me anymore and just TD me?
That's gotta be the first time you've threatened that.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: LOL defame
Jan 8, 2021, 2:54 PM
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You should definitely RA every post...
Jan 8, 2021, 2:57 PM
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That upsets you. I bet that's going to go just the way you hope it will.
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He's so close to actually using the ignore button how it
Jan 8, 2021, 3:00 PM
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was intended to be used, so close.
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Re: He's so close to actually using the ignore button how it
Jan 8, 2021, 4:03 PM
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I would dearly love a good ignoring my own self.
Sigh. He's such a tease, this guy.
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Rock Defender [54]
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You want me to ignore you yet you insert
Jan 8, 2021, 5:53 PM
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I am always impressed...
Jan 8, 2021, 2:19 PM
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At how seamlessly you transition from role of the oppressed, poor victim to a raging, vitriolic personal attacker.
In short, you've done the following--repeatedly--on this message board:
-Attacked people's professions and career choices when they disagree with you. -Tried to look up a person's identity when they disagreed with you. -Attacked people's children. -Told people to kill themselves. -Told someone you would kill them. -Demanded someone meet you for a fight. -Said anyone who doesn't agree with you politically is America's enemy. -Thrown out numerous personal insults when someone disagrees, which are all too numerous to catalogue. -Called for violence in the streets following the election. -Gone on raging TD sprees whenever someone says something you don't like, sifting through all of their posts from the past two days to click on them. Then you turn around and file a complaint to mods when you think someone TD you.
Now, I do think you're probably right that you are zeroed in on more than anyone else here. Have you stopped to ask yourself why? Why do you think so many here don't respect you and open up on you?
Seems pretty obvious you have brought this on yourself.
Now go click RA and cry again that I have somehow defamed you.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Done.***
Jan 8, 2021, 2:21 PM
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You didn't discuss ####.
Jan 8, 2021, 12:46 PM
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I called you out because you and Manac haven't shown an inkling of concern over this cop's death, yet y'all were on here weeping and gnashing your teeth over the nutjob woman who was justifiably shot. Y'all were demanding the cop who shot her go to jail for the rest of his life.
But not surprisingly, you haven't had one slice of anger towards the Trumpies who killed him because you're a partisan hack who supported their cause and previously called for violence in the streets.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: You didn't discuss ####.
Jan 8, 2021, 12:50 PM
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Re: You didn't discuss ####.
Jan 8, 2021, 12:51 PM
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Your post over his death isn't close to the whining you did about the QAnon lady yesterday.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: You didn't discuss ####.
Jan 8, 2021, 12:54 PM
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The only people I've heard saying that anyone on the right
Jan 8, 2021, 1:40 PM
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condones this crap has been the left.
Rioting wasn't cool when the left was doing and the overwhelming majority of the right ain't cheering it on this time around.
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The overwhelming majority of everyone doesn't condone...
Jan 8, 2021, 2:14 PM
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Any sort of mob violence.
There are a select few on each side. We have a couple here cheering on this riot.
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Re: The overwhelming majority of everyone doesn't condone...
Jan 8, 2021, 2:16 PM
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Re: The overwhelming majority of everyone doesn't condone...
Jan 8, 2021, 2:20 PM
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You, Manac, and Keowee. I'll assume NC_Tiger_ did quietly as he was advocating for this several weeks ago.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 1:46 PM
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To be clear, what happened on Wednesday was completely and totally reprehensible and I feel Trump should face charges of inciting a riot.However, this was not a coup attempt in my opinion and not by experts who study coups.
From the NYT yesterday: ---But the violent, anti-democratic attack on the Capitol doesn't fit the technical definition of a coup even though the president incited it and encouraged it. That matters, experts say, because different actions are required to prevent this type of attack from harming democracy.
The article continues--A coup is an illegal attempt to take power through force or threat of force, usually involving at least a faction of the military or formal security forces, though sometimes they are backed by paramilitaries or other armed groups. That's not what happened in Washington yesterday. Although some of the people that stormed the Capitol were armed, they do not appear to be part of any organized military or rebel organization. And while Mr. Trump encouraged his loyalists in his capacity as a leader of their movement, he did not try to call the military to their aid, or otherwise use the formal powers of the presidency to help them, said Naunihal Singh, a professor at the Naval War College whose research focuses on coups.
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Re: What Wednesday actually was and still is.
Jan 8, 2021, 2:25 PM
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Those larpers were part of an organized coup? Has the Qanon torch just been given to the left?
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