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Paw Master [17393]
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I dont think theres a serious MAGA supporter on this board.
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:05 PM
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And I think that’s one of the most frustrating things about the board.
Obviously there are numerous MAGA supporters. But none of them are serious. They deliver mostly childish responses and deflections on MAGA criticisms.
I know a lot of you will disagree with me, but there are serious arguments that could be made in support of Trump or MAGA. And I know that because I can make them, and I’m not a supporter. But no MAGA advocate here has any interest in making a case. What’s the point of being here just to tell people that you are rubber and they are glue?
I get accused of being a liberal from time to time by Trump supporters here, which of course is hysterical. I’ve never voted for a Democrat at the national level, and I have had numerous debates on here against Liberal posters. And certainly there are numerous unserious liberal posters here. There are unserious conservative posters. But there are also SERIOUS liberal and conservative posters who will often make it worth wading through the unserious responses.
But not for the MAGA supporters.
Can anyone name a MAGA supporter on here who tries to engage in the discussion in a thoughtful way?
Oh, and to be clear, when I say “unserious”, I don’t mean the occasional joke. We all do that. I mean the ones that get into any argument with dismissive what-abouts or snide comments and then move on.
I thought about this today when I saw a political ad for a Navy Admiral that is going to run against Boebert. The ad said something to the effect of “while Boebert was partying with Kid Rock I was defending our country”. One of the first responses was from a guy that said he’s supporting Boebert BECAUSE she parties with Kid Rock. How is that a serious person?
Further, as a country I think we are too unserious about these things. We are way too content to be amusing or contradictory rather than reflective, thoughtful and forward thinking.
Then again, I’m old…and all these kids are on my lawn.
But seriously.
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Re: I dont think theres a serious MAGA supporter on this board.
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:08 PM
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There's very little serious policy discussion on this board, at all.
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Tiger Titan [49170]
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serious policy discussion died with Cicero***
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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Cornholed by Brutus.***
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Tiger Titan [49170]
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what is the serious case to be made for Trump's pedophilia?
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:08 PM
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Covfefe now, covfefe tomorrow, covfefe forever!!
MAGA is not a serious movement. it is TRUMP. Just, Trump.
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Clemson Icon [24736]
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MAGA is about war against evil liberal Dems. Trump feeds the dogs.***
Jul 22, 2025, 12:33 PM
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Tiger Titan [49170]
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but they don't know what "evil liberal Dems" are unless Trump tells them
Jul 22, 2025, 12:51 PM
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Mike Pence went from VP best man to "evil liberal Dem" overnight
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National Champion [7558]
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I remember Tardawg making some rational arguments
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:21 PM
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before he decided to pull back from the vitriol of the Politics board. I think he would also be goaded into the bickering that tends to develop on the board, where each side is more interested in making the other side look dumb instead of really discussing the merits of specific policy. Many of us have fallen victim to that.
Here, on this board, I think both sides are resistant to offering fair criticisms of their parties because they don't want to open the door to the types of childish responses you mentioned. I agree that the majority of childish/irrational comments come from the most ardent MAGA supporters -- but there are similar responses coming from the other side, as well. And it definitely depends on what area of the country you're in. In the deep south, where most of us live, you're expected to see more ardent support of MAGA. But if you go up to the PNW, you'll see way more irrational liberals -- pretty much the exact opposite side of the political spectrum.
In most cases, I think if the members of this board were facing each other over some wings and a beer, they'd discover they had more in common than a couple username, avatars, and bold takes can communicate.
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Legend [6983]
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Re: I remember Tardawg making some rational arguments
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:24 PM
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Tardawg was the only normal one. The rest just hated the libs and thats all that mattered...
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Clemson Icon [24736]
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Are there any true conservative politicians!
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:37 PM
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Do any politicians advocate for true conservative fiscal policies or foreign policies?
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This is precisely the issue
Jul 22, 2025, 12:58 PM
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Swarley believes he’s a rational poster adding value. But doesn’t quite realize he’s just MAGA lite and not full MAGA.
True conservatives don’t exist on any large scale anymore.
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Legend [6983]
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Re: This is precisely the issue
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Jul 22, 2025, 1:07 PM
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He isnt even slightly MAGA.
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All-TigerNet [5882]
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He definitely has overlapping opinions with MAGA
Jul 22, 2025, 4:18 PM
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And he even admitted that there were logical arguments to support Trump.
But your thought just highlights how extreme the extreme MAGAs are because it’s made you normalize some things that are extremist on their own.
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Paw Master [16890]
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Nothing but trolls and crazy people
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:39 PM
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Keowees ghost and his army of SCOCKs; along with Cap'n crotch and impersonating a ranger are just here to try to get libs worked up
Then wack jobs like RememberTheDiazepam, NJdev and chem just wanna yell about whatever new insane made up post they read on truth social
Won't get started on Bill; someone should be taking better care of him.
This place is a sheet show
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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awww man, don't lump Clem in with that lot.
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Jul 22, 2025, 12:48 PM
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He's as well balanced and normal as we get on here. Politically you may disagree with him, but he's a normie. The best proof of this is he's a lunger, too. The people you really have to worry about are the one-dimensional folks who only ever post in Pol.
But you're right that there are different levels of nuts on here.
Solos, RTD, and NJDEV are, I believe, genuinely suffering (or suffered re: Solos) from a mental illness that could be clinically diagnosed and treated with drugs.
Then you have guys suffering from behavioral issues, like NC_Tiggy, who was long overdue for anger management counseling (though it wouldn't shock me if he had Narcissistic Personality Disorder). But I largely think his issues were social, not biological, and just needed a therapist. I have a strong theory as to why, but it's way too personal and distasteful to offer as pure conjecture. Him getting off of TNET though is going to be a big, positive step for him and his family, and I wish him the best. Mural is in this camp as well, with a little bit of overlap from the Dementia Group with BillyGoat.
I think Keowee is normal, but politics has become so sordid for him he's moved into nihilism where he doesn't really believe himself deep down, but (in his mind) Democrats have become so bad he doesn't really care what the GOP does. Again, just nihilism, and he'll be easy to pull back from the brink with better GOP leadership. Look for him to have a Nikki Haley sticker on his cybertruck within a few years.
Crash and Ranger are just children. No reason to get mad at them. They don't know any better. Treat them the same as you would a puppy piddling on the rug. I guarantee Crash could be disarmed with a belly rub and an HJ as long as you didn't look him in the eye on either.
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Orange Blooded [2495]
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Re: awww man, don't lump Clem in with that lot.
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Wrong just people who are able to see through the BS and think for themselves
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Re: awww man, don't lump Clem in with that lot.
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Heyyyy you’re back! Man, we have a lot to talk about.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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You couldn't even see through an obvious photoshop.
Jul 22, 2025, 3:05 PM
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And you have pledged your entire existence to an anonymous figure from a pedo site.
A mental illness would be the most charitable excuse you have for yourself.
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Orange Immortal [60637]
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Paraphrasing Sartre
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Never believe that MAGA supporters are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The MAGA supporters have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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I've said it a million times.
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Today's political divide is not right and left, but populists vs. traditionalists.
As a libertarian-leaning Republican, I have far more in common with a liberal hippie than I do a MAGA populist, just as he does with me rather than a Populist Democrat.
MAGA and Democrat populists operate without any set principle, and instead follows only what strongheaded emotional responses take them to next. They believe in emotion, not reason. They appeal to feelings, not logic. And, nothing is off the table, so long as it puts them closer to their goals. It's why they can justify all matter of sin because they only moral standard they have is being just a cuntshair better than Democrats.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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Or you know, whatever Quozzel said below.***
Jul 22, 2025, 1:01 PM
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Orange Blooded [2495]
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Re: I've said it a million times.
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The real battle is good vs evil
Has always been about the children first
Lots of evil on both sides of the aisle, which is why MAGA has been so successful
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Re: I've said it a million times.
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It must be super painful watching the entire underlying premise of Q Anon go up in smoke with Trump actively covering up Epstein’s client list right?
Is Trump on the Evil side of the fight now, or is there something even deeper going on? Please let us know, I’ve been dying to get an independent thinker’s take.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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Yet you worship at the feet of an anonymous figure from a pedo site.
Jul 22, 2025, 3:06 PM
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By "first" you must mean "before the age of consent."
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Ring of Honor [21789]
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Re: I dont think theres a serious MAGA supporter on this board.
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MAGA is a populist movement. Populist movements are based on emotion, not reason - grievance, resentment, envy, disenfranchisement.
Mind, our system offers plenty of reason for all that. It still doesn't change the fact that MAGA is a mob of angry fools who really aren't interested in talking, just in burning everything down.
What insulates a nation from that is a successful middle class and pathways to upward mobility. When Joe Average is doing okay and thinks his kids can go to college and do even better than he's doing, he's not going to be interested in joining the mob, because stuff is working for him.
But stuff is distinctly not working for him right now. The cost of living - housing, transportation, food, health care - has gotten absurd. The middle class is getting squeezed into oblivion a little more with each passing year, and the gap between rich and poor in this nation has never been so large. At some point the mob is going to collectively realize that hey, maybe it's actually all these billionaires pretending to be "champions of the people" who have gamed the system against them...and then the discussion becomes even simpler: rich v. poor, outright class warfare, and we're back to socialist movements again. That's how the pendulum of history seems to work, and you can see this one boiling over right in front of our eyes. And socialists aren't remotely rational or interested in meaningful, thoughtful, and nuanced discussion either.
We want the discussion to start being rational again, we have to talk about how we rebuild the middle class, and I really do think it's that simple. That's when the anger and panic and fear starts to cool and people start actually using their heads. There will still be plenty of angry fools about, but Joe Average won't be listening to him any more.
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I don't think it's possible to bring back or rebuild the middle class in the US,
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honestly. Because of the economics of our consumption and our standard of living, and because of technology. It just doesn't seem feasible. Middle class was manufacturing/factory jobs (for the sake of argument, let's use that as the primary slice of that sector for this idea). 40+ years of globalism have exponentially magnified the tremendous gulf in the costs of domestic manufacturing vs. foreign, and no domestic enterprise has interest in losing money be reshoring manufacturing. And no amount of whining and footstomping will make tariffs the great equalizer, will be through the stratosphere if everything we buy is at American manufacturing and labor prices.
But wait! Technology will automate things and make them cheaper! Cool...but then you don't have middle class jobs.
It's gone, in my opinion, and can't be brought back.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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this may be oversimplifying it.
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But better housing would make up the ground that's been lost with the middle class, which is now more of a working class.
Build more houses. Build them smaller (like starter homes used to be). And make housing more affordable where the working class can access them. This would go a long way, at least socially.
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TigerNet Icon [160501]
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Absolutely, and there also has to be some mechanism that prevents
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PE firms from buying up 60-80% of them and becoming slumlords.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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From what I've read, the impact of corporate purchases on the housing market is
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more lore than reality. Not that I'm opposed to thoughtful regulations on it, but I don't consider it to be a major factor in current housing prices. That has more to do with the size of "starter homes" now, cost of construction, restrictive zoning, and that we are way behind building at the level we should have been.
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Re: From what I've read, the impact of corporate purchases on the housing market is
Jul 22, 2025, 2:12 PM
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I looked at the issue of housing and i see no way it is sustainable to own for many. Banks will lend a person a bunch, no real risk for them, but one can only really afford a home that is 2.5 times earnings. I said afford due to things like maintenance, insurance, taxes ever increasing utilities and HOA dees.. Heck keeping my lawn green is at times silly, not to mention yearly mulch.
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Ring of Honor [21789]
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Re: this may be oversimplifying it.
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There is a technological solution the Japanese came up with there...and they're actually present here in the US now, though they're all presently in building-code he!! right now because they literally have 50 different building codes to contend with.
Basically, prefab modules turn housing into real big lego sets you build in factories, and then throw up to spec...in a day. There's companies like Factory_OS, Autovol, and Vantem Global in North Carolina moving into the prefab space along with the Japanese giants like Sekisui House...but their main problem is scale. Plus there's the fact that they all want to start in the high-end market because it's so much more profitable...Sekisui House, for instance, is rolling out their "Shawood" line already but they're all 3,000+ square feet each...and they all start at $1.5M. Ouch. That ain't much help.
The main hope here would be they start throwing up the rich-man stuff fast enough the price there comes down...which also drives down the price of anything underneath it. They will almost certainly be able to build prefab kits in the $50K range at some point, but it'll take probably twenty years before we get there.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: this may be oversimplifying it.
Jul 22, 2025, 2:07 PM
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Cost of land and infrastructure put in by developers mainly decide what type home will be built. Toss in what inflation did to building materials and there you go.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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Better zoning helps with the cost of land part.
Jul 22, 2025, 2:37 PM
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If zoning only allows for one single family dwelling on a parcel, developers are going to build the biggest they can fit, driving up the cost of SFHs. If zoning is changed to allow for more dwellings on that same parcel, smaller houses at more affordable prices. Exactly what we need.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: Better zoning helps with the cost of land part.
Jul 22, 2025, 2:49 PM
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Shoot, in my town they are tossing up townhomes that one would think fit the bill but they are mid to upper $300k. Also kinda crap construction with no concrete walls between units. I sit in a 4 bed 4 bath home at around 4k sq.ft. Far too much home for just 2 people and way too much yard work for my old butt but given current costs it makes little sense to sell and move. Even with the rapid rise in valuation on the home it makes no sense as it sits on a golf course with 2 fairways and a creek out back before you get to a neighboring home . I lived in places that were density builds years ago and it sucked having somebody jammed up your butt out back and able to hear them fart next door.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: I don't think it's possible to bring back or rebuild the middle class in the US,
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We have financed the illusion of a vast middle class ever since going off the gold standard. It allowed Muricans to think they were middle class cause they have the latest phone, new car, bigger house(than they really can afford) without grasping it costs them in things they do not yet understand.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: Youre operating out of a misplaced paradigm
Jul 22, 2025, 5:06 PM
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Yeah, sure thing . How are those fast food prices going for folks since the big push on living wages for those workers. Companies, public traded have a responsibility to the Board ,Bond holders and shareholders first. All costs or most all are passed down to consumers thus negating any perceived rise in wages across the board.
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: Youre operating out of a misplaced paradigm
Jul 22, 2025, 5:14 PM
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Truthfully what is coming is a wipeout of workers due to AI and robotics. In fields once thought safe to boot. Only safe job is one that requires a live body with 2 hands soon to do things like electrical, plumbing, mechanics etc. as those sit around punching at a putter or thinking are headed for the ash bin .
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Solid Orange [1305]
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Re: Do you consider fast food wages to be middle class?
Jul 22, 2025, 5:49 PM
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Well since you asked the $20 min in Ca. puts them in the middle class for a 40 hour week according to the Feds. So you make up your mind what you want to discuss or is that too difficult for you. Was using it as an example that can be extrapolated across any job category. You seem to live in utopia where all costs will be eaten by said companies, clue for you, it is not gonna happen. We can discuss whether the income guidelines are accurate but they are what they are for now.
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Sure. Let's talk about the border.***
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You want serious dialogue when most of the topics on this board start with:
TRuMps a PEdophile!!!
TruMPS IcE is THe neW KLaN!
TruMP DESTroyED thE ecONOmY!
I haven't seen a serious topic in ages. Tiggity, although terribly misguided, does try.
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Tiger Titan [51057]
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Well. Like.
Jul 22, 2025, 1:16 PM
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He is.
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I never knew that we all had different opinions, until I read about it on Tnet. You mean that opinions are like those things that everybody has one of. Thanks Tnet geniuses.
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Right, so you see how your post is devoid of substance?
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You dropped a non-sequitor followed by a "what about" false equivalence followed by an accidental confession that none of the topics you've ever posted here are serious.
You should have just replied and said, "Yes you are correct."
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Re: I dont think theres a serious MAGA supporter on this board.
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that is because Maga appeals to the magical thinking, IQ is below 100 crowd.
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Legend [6983]
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Re: I dont think theres a serious MAGA supporter on this board.
Jul 22, 2025, 1:25 PM
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Its anecdotal, but if you go by them handful that post here, there is no doubt.
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Legend [6983]
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Re: I dont think theres a serious MAGA supporter on this board.
Jul 22, 2025, 2:38 PM
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the handful
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Rival Killer [2871]
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MAGA and thoughtful go together
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like oil and water. As do MAGA and serious.
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Re: I dont think theres a serious MAGA supporter on this board.
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I actually disagree, I think this site is a perfect cross section of the Trump coalition.
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