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Rival Killer [2938]
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Was the 97-98 Rick Barnes campaign the most...
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Mar 3, 2025, 10:01 PM
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disappointing season in Clemson basketball history or....
86-87,
93-94,
21-22
or any Purnell NCAA tourney invite?
or Another?
FM would reference preseaeson expectations, but does his opinion really matter?
Curious.
TIA.
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Looking back, having Dale Davis and Elden Campbell on the same team
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Mar 3, 2025, 10:12 PM
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should've been Final 4 worthy. I know it took a freak play from one of the nation's top player to knock us out in the sweet 16, but still.. That team should have been seeded higher than a 5 and put in a bracket with Duke, UConn, Kansas and a 1 loss LaSalle team.
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Re: Looking back, having Dale Davis and Elden Campbell on the same team
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Mar 3, 2025, 10:24 PM
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We lost to Western Michigan in the first round that year.
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Rival Killer [2938]
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Re: Looking back, having Dale Davis and Elden Campbell on the same team
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Mar 3, 2025, 10:26 PM
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Nevermind, UCONN, Elden completely clueless under the basket. Certainly not even close to a disappointing team.
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Re: Looking back, having Dale Davis and Elden Campbell on the same team
Mar 5, 2025, 3:36 AM
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Elden was just shocked at how many seconds a second lasted.
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Re: Looking back, having Dale Davis and Elden Campbell on the same team
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Mar 4, 2025, 10:07 AM
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We beat Duke to win the ACC regular season and then followed up with a 20+ point loss at Ga Tech.
and I think we lost in the first round of the ACC tournament.
That team was so up and down given the talent level.
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Yes, 97-98 team is most disappointing team in program history.
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We were #5 in the AP poll to start the season. We had dropped out of the top 25 by mid-December. We briefly got back in the top 25 in mid-January but weren’t ranked after that.
After the new year, we were just 8-11.That team had two future NBA players (Buckner a senior, Jamison a junior) and also had McIntyre (a junior) who was incredible in Europe, plus some other good pieces such as Wideman, Iturbe, Christie, etc.) yet we were just 18-14, 7-9 in the ACC overall.
Nonetheless, the committee gave us the benefit of the doubt because of the ACC’s reputation and seeded us 6th. We were upset by 11 seed Western Michigan in the first round.
Second most disappointing has to be the 86-87 team. Although we were not highly thought of in the preseason (unranked), we were 25-6 overall and 10-4 in the ACC. Horace was ACC Player of the Year and an All-American. That team is disappointing because it lost in the first round of the ACC Tournament and was then upset in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. We were a 4 seed and lost to 13 seed Missouri State.
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Rival Killer [2938]
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Re: Yes, 97-98 team is most disappointing team in program history.
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Mar 3, 2025, 11:14 PM
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Judge please don’t take this wrong way, but your commenting on my post could be misinterpreted by some morons around here of discrediting my post and potentially calling it racist or out of bounds.
While I will not name the idiot I’m referring to, that would be a personal attack. I will ask that people recognize some experts ignorance of the last 7-8 years of Tiger basketball. Glad we overcame purnell’s lack of caring in the end. Yeah. It was said. 🙂
Glad we didn’t hire Gregg Marshall over Pat Kelsey a couple of years ago. 😳
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CU Medallion [20825]
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Re: Yes, 97-98 team is most disappointing team in program history.
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Mar 4, 2025, 7:14 AM
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We were #5 in the AP poll to start the season. We had dropped out of the top 25 by mid-December. We briefly got back in the top 25 in mid-January but weren’t ranked after that.
After the new year, we were just 8-11.That team had two future NBA players (Buckner a senior, Jamison a junior) and also had McIntyre (a junior) who was incredible in Europe, plus some other good pieces such as Wideman, Iturbe, Christie, etc.) yet we were just 18-14, 7-9 in the ACC overall.
Nonetheless, the committee gave us the benefit of the doubt because of the ACC’s reputation and seeded us 6th. We were upset by 11 seed Western Michigan in the first round.
Second most disappointing has to be the 86-87 team. Although we were not highly thought of in the preseason (unranked), we were 25-6 overall and 10-4 in the ACC. Horace was ACC Player of the Year and an All-American. That team is disappointing because it lost in the first round of the ACC Tournament and was then upset in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. We were a 4 seed and lost to 13 seed Missouri State.
Also injuries that season. McIntyre was never at full strength until mid February.
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Re: Yes, 97-98 team is most disappointing team in program history.
Mar 5, 2025, 5:22 AM
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I can still hear the name Winston Garland getting called all night for Southwest Missouri State. He had a great game. Still don’t understand how that Clemsonteam didn’t beat Southwest Missouri state and progress through the tournament.
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I will go with the 18-19 squad. We returned 4 out of 5 starters plus Simms off of a Sweet 16 team and failed to even make the tournament. We went 1 and done in the ACC blowing an 18-point 2nd half lead in a must win game. We lost any game that mattered that year. Then we lose at home to Gregg Marshall in the 2nd round of NIT. Just an overall disappointing year. You return that much production off a Sweet 16 team making the tournament should be minimum in my opinion.
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Tiger Titan [50951]
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We lost our two best players from that 2017-2018 team.
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DeVoe and Grantham.
Donte was an integral piece of our team that year, and although he was injured for the postseason, we surely would have been better with him back the following year.
DeVoe got hot in the postseason and was a huge factor in our Sweet 16 run.
Shelton Mitchell battled injuries all year his senior year. He played, but he was not the same player. He really gutted it out that year.
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Yes, Shelly's knee was shot, he could no longer effectively drive and that was
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Mar 4, 2025, 3:59 PM
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what his game and our offense was built around
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Re: We lost our two best players from that 2017-2018 team.
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Is there a reason you can’t make a remotely honest appraisal of anything? Grantham missed the second half of the season and didn’t play at all in the post-season. It was the very fact that we were so successful despite his absence (a senior who we knew wouldn’t be retuning) that set the stage for heightened expectations. You’re actively revising history. While Grantham was probably the most talented player on the team he was not remotely one of the two most important players considering he only played 19 games.
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Re: We lost our two best players from that 2017-2018 team.
Mar 4, 2025, 5:05 PM
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The only thing subjective in his post is the 2 best players and you aren't even arguing that.
Grantham was no doubt one of our best players and a leader of the team in the 19 games he played. IMO Reed, devoe, and grantham were the 3 best players on that team.
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Re: We lost our two best players from that 2017-2018 team.
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Mar 4, 2025, 6:24 PM
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He also had nothing to do with expectations that would have been staged by the results that team generated which is the subject of the thread. You know exactly what I mean and what the original person to reference 2018-19 meant. This is a perfect example of dishonest debate.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
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Mar 4, 2025, 9:06 PM
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I did have high expectations and we fell short. It was a disappointing season for me. Also everything jk said was true.
Btw im pretty sure we finished with a net of 35 that year. Likely would have been good enough to get in by today's standards. It wasn't an awful season, but definitely finished below my expectations.
Also, I thought looking back at post history meant you were an obsessed loser.
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CU Medallion [18532]
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 9:18 PM
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So I was right. You didn’t follow the context of the thread and did the usual knee-jerk contrarian thing the second you see my name by a post. You could just acknowledge as much and turn over a new leaf and we could all get along. I won’t hold my breath.
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110%er [3764]
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
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I dont agree 100% with jk. He made some valid points that were true. You went off the rails and attacked him.
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CU Medallion [18532]
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:06 PM
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His answer was non-responsive to the post he responded to. the only attack was pointing that out. The rest was just discussing the actual facts of the situation. This is why we always end up in such acrimony. A half dozen accounts pile on in his defense, usually failing to grasp critical context, but arguing in his defense regardless.
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Tiger Titan [50951]
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Sounds like you are the one who saw a username and attacked
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in your typical knee jerk fashion.
My response to the post in question was appropriate and you know it. Stop with the unhealthy obsession dude.
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Rival Killer [2938]
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
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Holy hell. I basically made this point last week and of course all he did was argue.
He wasn't able to follow the context of the thread and did the usual knee-jerk contrarian thing the second he sees my name by a post. He could just acknowledge as much and turn over a new leaf and we could all get along. I won’t hold my breath.
Interesting replies in this thread.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/thread/brownells-first-6-years-2425852
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CU Medallion [18532]
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
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Mar 4, 2025, 10:10 PM
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My post is from the perspective of year three. Yours is an assessment of 6 years from year 15. That either of you see these as equivalent shows a lack of critical thinking.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
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So you dont agree with your "perspective"? Seems like you described exactly what went down. Was he also in a lurch the next year because we had no seniors?
"With the early signing period, recruiting was all but done for the next year. I'm not sold on Brownell, but he is in a lurch entirely of Purnell's making. Purnell is principally responsible for us having 2 seniors and no juniors on this team."
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Rival Killer [2938]
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
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Exposing this hypocrite for who they are. Priceless.
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This is one of the most hilarious TNet threads in recent memory!
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LOL LOL!
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Re: This is one of the most hilarious TNet threads in recent memory!
Mar 5, 2025, 7:20 AM
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He was in a lurch in mid-2013. Three different accounts are going to tag-team and pretend that he should have been afforded 3 more seasons to solve it while reality tells us he actually need another 9 and a completerule change from the NCAA? And notice I didn’t throw the players he did have under the bus either. Keep patting yourselves on the back for making the exact same, completely wrong interpretation. I wonder why so many others think you’re all one account.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:22 PM
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Yeah, Purnell screwed us and all the detractors just promote that crap class with Jennings and all. But some promote then, yet ripped then years ago. They have an agenda. Maybe paid by Columbia…..hmmmm.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 5, 2025, 7:22 AM
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How is it incongruous to think that Purnell’s leaving was less than ideal and that, in the middle of year 3, that he was unfairly judged but that by year 6 Brownell should have been able to have figured it out?
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:08 PM
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There is no contradiction between this post and my later positions. If anything it should show you that you have grossly misjudged my appraisal of the situation but honest discourse is never the goal.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:12 PM
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They never seem to phase you.
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Rival Killer [2938]
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:14 PM
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Some people are just nuts. Go figure. Can’t debate respectably and just resort to name calling and redirection. I love VT, Mike young’s Virginia Tech, hopefully they can find success.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:20 PM
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I agree. CM shouldn’t have called me a loser and he needs to have a longer or slower fuse. Thanks for acknowledging the problem.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:39 PM
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I agree. CM shouldn’t have called me a loser and he needs to have a longer or slower fuse. Thanks for acknowledging the problem.
You know exactly why i said that. Who is being dishonest now?
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:44 PM
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####, if the shoe fits
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 5, 2025, 7:23 AM
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There’s that civil discourse. You couldn’t make it a few hours when you’re getting dragged.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 5, 2025, 8:23 AM
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Not to0 concerned about using the word D#MN. My apologies if I offended you.
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Re: Would you say that the statement:
Mar 4, 2025, 10:19 PM
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Also, you should have a word with Clemson Mountaineers. He thinks finding receipts is for “losers”.
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Mar 4, 2025, 10:55 PM
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Re: Because he didnt know how bad Shelton Mitchells knees were.
Mar 4, 2025, 10:11 PM
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There is a difference between between expectations and excuses for the eventual performance. You are providing excuses.
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DeVoe and Mitchell were two very important pieces to our Sweet 16 run
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in Grantham’s absence.
DeVoe graduated and Mitchell was nowhere close to 100% the following year.
Marquise Reed had a nice season and Eli Thomas continued to improve, but that team wasn’t close to being as talented as the Sweet 16 team.
I agree that it was perhaps a disappointing season, but anyone who knew that team knows that we lost a lot from the previous year’s team. It wasn’t nearly as disappointing as the 97-98 team.
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Re: DeVoe and Mitchell were two very important pieces to our Sweet 16 run
Mar 4, 2025, 10:16 PM
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The last paragraph would have been a far more reasonable response and probably wouldn’t have warranted comment. Nor would your buddies have to work themselves into a lather.
By the way, I never said I agreed that 17-18 was most disappointing but you were entirely dismissive. Given that we made the Sweet Sixteen and returned a very high percentage of our overall minutes and productivity from that season, it would have to rank as one of the top 5.
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To clarify, FM bases our success against our preseason ranking. The 97-98 team finished 3 spots below their ACC preseason ranking. Very disappointing.
Coupled with the fact that Barnes was job shopping only magnifies the disappointment by having your “most successful” coach dissing your program like that.
Did he even leave a recruiting class? Shyatt grabbed Simmons on the way in. Further proof that Barnes was no better than Purnell in exiting. Knew he was gone and killed the program in the process.
Guess Gilmore, Braddock and Whitt d I’d go on to successful stints at SC State.
Thanks slick Rick.
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The fact we can respectfully express our differences in opinions is what separates us from those folks in Columbia.
Thank you to those that can keep respectful discourse. It is a gift.
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