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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Sounds like what most all of us have been saying for a few years. CHANGE THE OFFENSE.
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Yep. The Clemson offense Dabo insists on running is broken.***
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Re: Yep. The Clemson offense Dabo insists on running is broken.***
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Sounds pretty close. I can certainly understand exactly what the article is saying. But we'd rather go into a press conference and talk colloquialisms, or rather hide behind them than be honest about the real problems. Superman and batman... seriously. And bc 4 plays away. Ghesh, we DO have problems. No wonder it's so easy to recruit against us.
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Stop feeding the troll.***
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Re: Stop feeding the troll.***
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Oct 8, 2025, 11:55 AM
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Denial doesn't help...
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Denial of what?***
Oct 8, 2025, 2:30 PM
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Re: Denial of what?***
Oct 8, 2025, 11:18 PM
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Morehead State
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Oct 8, 2025, 8:02 AM
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Amazing how all you negative trolls always seem to be on right path with all the Dabo blasphemy!
Change the whole offensive staff, sans Luke, scout the country for the right fit at QB for the new offensive staff, and forget any of this happened!
It’s a start anyway! Gotta hit the portal hard on defense too!
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Game Changer [1733]
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Might want to tell Dabo this his refusal to use the portal is exactly why we have no depth on defense and lacking speed and talent all over
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
Oct 8, 2025, 11:50 AM
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Have you watched any college football besides Clemson? No one has quality depth precisely because of the portal.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Oct 8, 2025, 11:58 AM
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I watched a good Duke team against Cal on Saturday having lost 4 starting LBs and backfilled them without missing a beat, and with several portal players involved.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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The great transfer players arent transferring to be backups at Duke or
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Oct 8, 2025, 1:05 PM
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anywhere else for that matter.
The great ones transfer to start. Which of our players should we tell to leave in order to take a chance on portal players?
Even though the best portal guys don’t move to be backups, which of our backups should we kick off the team to seek out a 3-star transfer player willing to be “depth”?
That’s good for Duke that they had guys transfer out and had to sign 3-star portal guys as backups or starters. Guys which no great team would ever entertain.
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Top TigerNet [28430]
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Re: The great transfer players arent transferring to be backups at Duke or
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Oct 8, 2025, 2:35 PM
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They don't have to be great out of the portal. They have to be capable and then developed. Tennessee is starting a QB from App. St. Duke starts a QB from Tulane. Utah starts a QB from New Mexico, and Ole Miss starts a QB from Ferris St. In fact over 40% of the starting QBs this season are from the portal and they aren't all superstars, far from it.
No one is talking about the present roster, which I have said to you before, but you keep going back to the same tired comment of who are you going to replace on the current roster. We are talking about roster management for next year and beyond and how we start building a balance based on our needs and gaps.
This is professional football now, like it or not. You don't see any NFL programs utilizing only the draft and not free agency. At some point, even the one program sitting on the island by their lonesome is going to wise up and eventually have to move into the new world.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Youre clearly not understanding simple facts.
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Oct 8, 2025, 2:43 PM
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1. We’ve lost one starter to the portal since its inception.
2. We have the best retention in the country.
3. Due to numbers 1 and 2, we haven’t had roster spots needing immediate help from the portal.
4. We haven’t had room or a a need for portal players due 1-3.
5. Mediocre portal kids may move to be backups, but with the best retention in America we haven’t had any room for backups.
6. The only reason other teams use the portal more is because they MUST fill spots left by guys transferring out. Again, we haven’t had any of that.
7. Ignoring 1-6, name the starters or depth guys coming through the ranks that you want to kick off the team just to take a chance at portal guys, who may or may not ever pan out.
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Re: Youre clearly not understanding simple facts.
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Oct 8, 2025, 2:47 PM
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We can never make it simple enough for you... What part of moving ahead and planning for the future don't you get? How many times do I have to say I'm not talking about this season's roster for you to get it?
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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So you admit our portal usage has been minimal due to a lack of spots, correct?
Oct 8, 2025, 5:34 PM
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I have no problem using the portal as needed. Like we have. This year we have some spots available and will likely dive deeper into the portal.
I’m not sure where you’re confused, but confused you are.
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Re: Youre clearly not understanding simple facts.
Oct 9, 2025, 6:46 AM
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Moving ahead and planning for the future is a high school recruiting thing not a portal thing. Tennessee payed to get a qb from App St who App St developed. Portal is a quick fix thing for players who are already developed with an occasional player who figured out he didn't like being at school A. "Planning for the future" does not happen in the portal. This is just like when JUCO recruiting was all the rage in the past. You end up with eternal holes in your roster when used too often. The portal while new now will settle into this same pattern. Ask our neighbors to the south about how using too many JUCO players in the past worked out for them
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Re: Youre clearly not understanding simple facts.
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Let me blow your thought for a second. What you say is very true, there is no denying that, but lets dig a little deeper. We do not have quality depth not because we have lost players to the portal(obviously we have had only a handful of transfers) but because we have lost quality recruits to other schools and then in desperation our coaches offer some low rated project recruit and because of lack of experience on our coaching staff, they never get any better or marginally better. That is our major problem. Fix the coaching staff first and then get back to recruiting the high caliber players we are used to. Use the portal in the meantime to fill the holes and not build a team like others have done. And if you need an example, look at the latest DE offer and just wondering but how many RB'S do we have committed and it's October?
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Oct 8, 2025, 2:19 PM
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Lol Oregon doesn’t have depth?
Ohio State doesn’t have depth?
Miami sure looks like they got some depth to me.
They’re plenty of teams with legitimate depth. We’re just not one of them.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Those team have signed portal guys to replace guys transferring out.***
Oct 8, 2025, 5:38 PM
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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We have dove into the portal for 4 years. We have had VERY limited slots
Oct 8, 2025, 1:00 PM
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because no one leaves - unlike the mass bailing at your school every year, Clemson loses nobody.
We don’t have a need and more importantly no room for transfers.
How many times must you read this, coot?
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Did the offense work well last year when we were 11th and Cade was 15th
Oct 8, 2025, 11:52 AM
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in QBR? It sure did, obviously.
Did the offense work on Saturday when Cade was executing like last year and as expected? It sure did, obviously.
It’s unarguable this offense works very well when the QB is able to execute it.
There’s no need to change the offense. It works great.
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Re: Did the offense work well last year when we were 11th and Cade was 15th
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Oct 8, 2025, 11:59 AM
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Except when we play a team with a pulse...
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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SMU and a Texas were the two highest rated teams we played last year.
Oct 8, 2025, 12:56 PM
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Offense worked great.
We had more passing yards against the 3rd ranked Texas defense than anyone during their season. We lost because the defense couldn’t stop them.
We didn’t score a lot against USuC but we gave up the game when the defense couldn’t stop Sellars down the stretch. Even still we drove inside the 10 for a game winning TD and Cade threw a wildly boneheaded interception to end the game. Louisville ran roughshod over out defense.
Bottom line - the offense played great versus the two best teams on the schedule, i.e., a pulse.
If Cade plays like he did against SMU and Texas then what’s the problem? We can win any game if Cade plays as capable therefore executing an offense capable of putting up top 11 numbers, AND the defense does their part.
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Re: SMU and a Texas were the two highest rated teams we played last year.
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Oct 8, 2025, 2:42 PM
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His inconsistency is going to lead us to a .500 season. He only plays well when he can get the amount of time he wants to get through his progressions and find an open receiver. Against UNC, the OL gave him enough time in the pocket to do that, but when we have a competitive DL, that extra time is typically not available, and Cade gets the happy feet and starts rolling out, which eliminates half the field and half the open receivers.
After BC, we face 5 of 6 pretty good opponents and I don't expect to see anything different from Cade than we've already seen.
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Gridiron Giant [15609]
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Thanks Nostradamus. Im going to wait and see tho.
Oct 8, 2025, 5:44 PM
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I don’t disagree about Cade.. not sure why you went off on the Cade rant.
What I’m saying is there’s nothing wrong with the offense, as long as we have a QB to execute it.
No offense works with a QB not playing well. It has been proven ours works great when the QB does what he’s supposed to do.
You said the offense doesn’t work, buts patently false.
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Re: How did that 11th ranked offense do when we weren't playing bottom feeders from
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Is the view that bad from your seats that you need to ask? or just trolling?
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How many games have you made it to this year Superfan?***
Oct 10, 2025, 1:46 AM
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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He could have saved a lot of words and stated we run the Clemson offense.🤣
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But we dont. Riley has full autonomy.***
Oct 8, 2025, 11:53 AM
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
Oct 7, 2025, 11:00 PM
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decided to go to 'Bama, move on.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Oct 8, 2025, 7:05 AM
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You didnt read the article did you?
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Absolutely amazing.
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Oct 7, 2025, 11:09 PM
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Simpson sits on the bench for three years, plays against FSU and looks mediocre at best. Fans are ready to fire Deboer and bench Ty.
Meanwhile, Klubnick is good enough to become a starter during his second year. As a junior he throws for 36 TDs and only 6 INT.
But, now, after Simpson beating UGA he is the leading candidate for the Heisman and Deboer is a quarterback whisperer.
Well, that is until Bama loses another game or two. Then Deboer will be on the hot seat and fans will be calling for Simpson to be benched.
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Re: Absolutely amazing.
Oct 8, 2025, 7:44 AM
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It’s all about what you’ve done for me lately. People have short memories.
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Re: Absolutely amazing.
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That and they’re absolute morons.
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Re: Absolutely amazing.
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I haven't forgotten how Klubnik played against UGA.
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Re: Absolutely amazing.
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you've already seen it here. Now that it's sorta clear CV aint the guy we need him to be behind Cade you've got folks acting like Pearman is the second coming of Baker Mayfield back there after going 1/3 against the worst team in FBS.
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Re: Absolutely amazing.
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Welcome to life. It is the same in the corporate world as well. You are only as good as your last result in a "what have you done for me lately" world...
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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That sounds correct to me.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Oct 8, 2025, 7:13 AM
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A lot of the article sounds good.
What is missing is that Klubnik’s skill set development has not been as fast as Ty Simpson’s.
Klub has indeed improved, albeit on an erratic path, as far as pocket presence (where he is now quite good), seeing the field (where he has improved since late 2022 and 2023, but still is far from elite), throwing accuracy (again, better than 2022 and 2023, but no discernible improvement vs 2024 and, quite frankly, far from elite), arm strength (substandard back in 2022, but steadily improved each year and is now plenty good enough for upper tier QBs), decision making (perhaps this still-existing inadequacy is really to be blamed on substandard ability to see the field), and processing speed (our guy is still a bit slow with releasing the ball after he recognizes where / who to throw the ball).
I suspect that Klubnik’s slow / incomplete development when compared to T.Simpson is more closely aligned to the innate intangibles between the two. These intangibles aren’t revealed during Elite Eleven camps or in HS games where the HS QB’s team is, across the board, is clearly superior to every other team that they play.
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The chicken or the egg?
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Oct 8, 2025, 7:51 AM
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Is the Clemson Offense broken or Cade Klubnik or both? Trent Dilfer said years ago that DW4 and TL16 were great upon arrival to Clemson but never were developed by coaches at Clemson. DJ-U and Cade arrived as top 3 QB's and regressed/improved/regressed.
Agree with RememberTheDanny that Cade too often does not see his receivers and progressions and lacks confidence at times. Is it coaching development? Personal flaws? Both? We may know which until Klubnik and Simpson arrive and get coached up in the NFL. Or we may not.
NFL (and college) QB success is often about your coach and team. TL16 at Jax struggled for years out of the gate. Now with Liam Coen as HC, Trevor is showing improvement. Brock Purdy from Iowa St was nothing special in college. Clemson erased Brock and Iowa St with ease in a low level bowl game. Purdy goes to the 49ers with the last pick of the draft. And with Shanahan's coaching, blocking and skill players around him, Purdy dominates in the NFL and far outperforms TL16.
It's both. The "Clemson Offense" and QB development is not stellar. And Cade and DJ are not DW4 and TL16 level. But the Tigers will survive all this.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Very good article. I’ll never understand why we don’t attack the middle of the field or go long more often.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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When Riley first appeared in Clemson and used the chalkboard to define and explain his idea of a spread offense, he showed a bunch of mesh routes that placed several WRs in the QBs field of view at the same time - 2-3 seconds from the snap. The routes were designed to use the middle of the field and get 8-10 yards per catch (more if the receiver broke free) from coverage tackles. The play design nearly always included a receiver over the top in case the safeties could be beat.The type of offense I saw Riley draw up requires quick receivers running good crisp routes and the QB getting the ball out in a hurry.
At the time, I thought the scheme (as designed) was exactly what we needed to produce a high-powered offense that could be used to go fast, get the defense tired, setting up the run game that would take advantage of a weary front 7.
Unfortunately, that's not what we've seen. Instead, we go too slow, miss blocking assignaments (causing the QB to distrust the OL and scramble whether he needs to or not), hold the ball too long (on passing downs), drop passes and fail to find the open receiver.
That's a coaching problem completely - through and through - failure to teach and demand fundamental excellence and consistency.
We have the same problems on defense - coaching for fundamental excellence and consistency.
The proof was shown against a rather bad UNC team after a prior 2-week coaching effort was made to correct problems - something that should have been identified and corrected during spring and fall camp. Instead, I do believe that players AND coaches ate the rat poison that projected us as playoff champions due to the amount of returning talent.
Talent without discipline and cohesion will go off the rails every time and early season comments by Dabo that the team was self-led might have been at the root of the problem. The players certainly can lend support to one another, but they are not qualified to be coaches. It appears to me that the problem was (is still?) coaches not doing what they're paid to do with the energy required to get players trained for their positions.
This comes back to Dabo. I think he may have now figured out the problem and is holding himself and other coaches accountable. This week will provide another look at what progress has been achieved.
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Someone needs to give you credit for this post because it is perfect
Oct 8, 2025, 10:22 AM
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+1 and wish I could give you more. Excellent. I hope many read it.
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yeah i think simpson would be struggling here as well.
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i think the pistol/dirt raid thing has ran its course and teams know how to defend it. Probably jsut need to go to prostyle/playaction like most good teams do.
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Re: yeah i think simpson would be struggling here as well.
Oct 8, 2025, 10:47 AM
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This.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Great article
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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Can't really argue with the concepts laid out in the article. The comment "every pass feels like 3rd and 7" is very astute.
I still feel GR is gone at the end of the year. This and a good QB from the portal will fix a lot of our problems. Too bad CK will not benefit...
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We've been failing to develop QBs for awhile now. Even Trevor got alil worse by his JR year. DW and Trevor were just good enough to mask the poor coaching on offense. A lot of it is on the position coaches, the majority of guys get worse season by season now. We've gone from progression to degression with these players
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
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This is more nonsense from people trying to find simple answers. We’ve seen former quarterbacks go elsewhere. Numerous times. Some to more than one school. If our development was the issue why didn’t we see them flourish elsewhere? The term “Sophomore slump” wasn’t created for Clemson players and it exists for a reason.
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It's every position....not just the QB. Even Dabo and the coaches have already admitted its a coaching issue. You don't just bring in all these 4 and 5 star recruits and they all go backwards each year....it's not just a soph slump, unless its a Jr and Sr slump too lol. Not every single player can be a bust. DJ didn't have what it took anywhere, but most guys that went elsewhere went to a lower tier program and they weren't playing with other talented players. Except Mukuba.....andddd he def got BETTER!
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
Oct 9, 2025, 3:07 PM
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You're mixing time frames and complaints. Dabo built us on into a championship program on the backs of 3 and 4 star players with some of the same coaches and a lot of the "nepo/friends & family" garbage everyone likes to complain about. As the baseline talent (at least as measured by recruiting services) has increased the results on field have dwindled. While I can understand the knee jerk urge to blame coaching (in this context I assume we mean development of the players) but there are a multitude of factors. We're also ignoring previous success and that Dabo has been filling the staff with exactly the kind of "big names" the message board geniuses are looking for.
Before Dabo built Clemson into one of the major brands of college football, he had to dig deep on player evaluations in recruiting. By the midpoint of our playoff run recruiting was on autopilot. Offer the 5 and 4 stars at the position of need for the cycle and go to lunch. This also coincided with covid which hampered high school player development while making real evaluation more difficult. It also clogged this system with players lingering around forever. Clemson is not the only school suffering from this. 3 of the top 5 quarterback from the 2020 signing class were drafted as soon as eligible in 2023. The other 2 were DJU and an injured player. The 2021 class (played all high school ball pre-covid) also had three in the NFL, one still playing, and one quit for personal reasons. None of the top 5 in 2022 were drafted last year. It's not a coincidence.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
Oct 8, 2025, 4:22 PM
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Yes. More recent was the case with DJU.
He didn't play any better than he did here.
Here is a page, btw, outlining the case with DJU. It was before the 2023 season, and it gave four different possible scenarios in describing how DJU plays at Oregon State vs. how our offense plays for that season. https://rubbingtherock.com/2023/04/22/clemson-football-complicated-uiagalelei/1
In this page, what we would not have wanted to happen would be Scenario 4 where DJU plays great ending up as Heisman finalist and getting drafting high into the NFL while our offense continues to play poorly. https://rubbingtherock.com/2023/04/22/clemson-football-complicated-uiagalelei/5
That would have been a clear negative indictment of our program, and the blame would have then gone to Dabo because, in this case, he would've truly squandered away a great QB.
What actually happened, I thought, once that season ended, was Scenario 3. Our offense still played poorly, and DJU played no better than he did here. It still yielded some hope as DJU wasn't the only factor in our offensive struggles. https://rubbingtherock.com/2023/04/22/clemson-football-complicated-uiagalelei/4
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
Oct 9, 2025, 2:41 PM
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DJU went to Oregon and FSU. While he initially played okay at Oregon St by mid-size on he was the same spastic head case he was here. At FSU he was even worse. If coaching was the issue he should have prospered at one or the other.
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Re: Wow this was eye opening. MUST READ
Oct 8, 2025, 1:25 PM
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Thanks for posting. He is absolutely correct. Our problem is not that Cade doesn’t have skills. He has shined enough to prove that he does. Our problem is that the offense we run is not tailored to the skills he has.
TBH I don’t know if Riley knows how to fix it. He (or Dabo if you insist) has a system and tries to fit the QB into that system instead of developing an offense that takes advantage of the skills his players have (not just Cade). That’s where coaching comes in, and we haven’t shown we can coach that way.
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Athletic Dir [1173]
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Spot on. Perfecting execution with a bland
Oct 8, 2025, 6:14 PM
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offense works fine when your qb and offensive talent is better than your opponents. When your qb play and talent is equal or less you have to win with scheme. Really that simple. Unless Trevor, Travis. Tee etc. Walk back through the door we better look for a better scheme.
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