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Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 7:12 AM
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We lost both starting CBs.
Daylen Everette decommitted.
Sheridan lining up to be the only returning CB with legit experience.
We could have brought in an experienced CB from the portal. Instead, we signed a high school project that needs a couple of years to develop.
After 4 games, it’s obvious that was a poor decision.
I hope Sheridan gets back healthy this week. And I hope Mike Reed can coach the young guys up.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 7:21 AM
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Dabo will have to go into the portal sooner or later(hopefully sooner) whether he likes it or not. You cannot allow yourself to be at a competitive disadvantage. Dabo knows that.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 11:19 AM
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I hope he realizes that…. Because after the fiasco at wake yesterday it’s pretty obvious our team needs some help!
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 7:23 AM
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Who should we have pursued?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 7:27 AM
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Eli ricks was a 5 star for bama via portal and there were another 6 - 4 stars who transferred this year alone
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Empirical data countering "the portal is nothing but fringe players" narrative is forbidden!****
Sep 25, 2022, 7:34 AM
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Don’t forget attitude problems and quitters!***
Sep 25, 2022, 9:47 AM
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Re: Don’t forget attitude problems and quitters!***
Sep 25, 2022, 10:07 PM
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This can be true sure . . . but some may have been on their scope before they committed to other schools. So keeping an eye out for someone you like is a must.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 7:40 AM
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Where are they now? Are they contributing to their new teams?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:54 AM
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I just checked the top 5 CBs from the portal. This is what I found…
Eli Ricks starts for UGA
Tanner McAlister starts for Ohio State
Jerrick Bernard starts for LSU
Jay Shaw starts for Wisconsin
Dwight McGlothern starts for Arkansas
I think any one of them would have been a better pickup than Myles Oliver.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 9:10 AM
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The top 3 I would bet were tamper situations and they knew where they were going.
The portal is not the challenge. Deciding whether to full on cheat and recruit other teams player is.
Gotta come up with something to stop it or the rich will just get richer.
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Oh come on.
Sep 25, 2022, 9:48 AM
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We just lack the guts to go after portal guys and take a risk hurting the “family culture” or an existing player’s feelings.
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Re: Oh come on.
Sep 25, 2022, 10:02 AM
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You're probably right.
It's a two sided coin and Dabo is having a tough time with it. I agree with his reasoning but will have to accept it will/has cost us.
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Saban always complains about rules but he adapts
Sep 25, 2022, 10:43 AM
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and uses them to his advantage.
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Re: Oh come on.
Sep 25, 2022, 10:13 AM
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I agree with this sentiment.
Dabo has preached family culture at Clemson. Bringing in players from the portal to start over guys that you recruited seems to contradict that.
I’m not suggesting that we bring in several portal players every year. We really only need CB and IOL this year. 2 players to fill holes immediately. I’m glad that we offered the two IOL. I wish we had offered a CB as well.
But, we didn’t. So now it’s about getting Sheridan back healthy. Nate, Fred, Pride, and Lukus will grow from this.
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Re: Oh come on.
Sep 25, 2022, 11:19 AM
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If the culture is strong, and I believe it is, one transfer will not poison the culture. It would work the other way around. Distrusting the culture is not a good argument.
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Re: Oh come on.
Sep 25, 2022, 11:27 AM
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Exactly.
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Re: Oh come on.
Sep 25, 2022, 2:00 PM
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We just lack the guts to go after portal guys and take a risk hurting the “family culture” or an existing player’s feelings.
If that the case why didn't Brownell bring in another portal big guard when he had a spot available?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:09 AM
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why do you think they would come to Clemson? it's a 2 way street... we have to want the player and the player has to want to come to Clemson... it's not a fit for everyone, especially in NIL era. Not like we got Jimbo bucks to float...
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:44 AM
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We don’t know unless we offer. Does not need to be an all star but a guy who is comfortable with the basics of playing the position. We had 1-2 easy picks last night had the CB played the ball and not the receiver which is CB 101
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Are you seriously saying no one would want to come here?
Sep 25, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Come on. We just have to try. Some would come.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:44 AM
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We don’t know unless we offer. Does not need to be an all star but a guy who is comfortable with the basics of playing the position. We had 1-2 easy picks last night had the CB played the ball and not the receiver which is CB 101
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Timing is key
Sep 25, 2022, 12:19 PM
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5* Daylen Everett decomitted Dec. 10th - committed to UGA Dec. 14
3* Myles Oliver committed Jan 16. We needed a DB picked up a DB two weeks out from signing day
Eli ricks entered portal Nov 23 - committed to Bama Dec 15th
3* Tanner McAlister portaled Dec. 22 - committed to OSU Jan 5
3* Jarrick Bernard portaled Jan 20 - committed to LSU Jan 26
3* Jay Shaw portaled Jan 17 - committed to Wiskey Jan 18
4* Dwight McGlothern portaled Jan 16 - committed to Arkansas Jan 16
3 of these guys didn’t enter the portal till after Oliver committed. 2 were 3* and 1 was 4*.
What about these guys at the time would have been worth looking at or pursuing? It looks like a lot of these guys have a destination in mind before they enter the portal anyway.
I don’t disagree that we should and probably will start using the portal, but would Tnet be celebrating bc we just pulled in a former 3* recruit that couldn’t crack the depth chart at OK St., UCLA, or LSU?
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Re: Timing is key
Sep 26, 2022, 8:18 AM
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All of them would have been worthy of pursuing.
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Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 7:28 AM
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or Lucas out there? We were down our best CB, an All American safety and our most experienced reserve CB.
Few teams are playing lights out in that situation, especially against a 6th year QB who will be drafted and an offense with so much experience.
The young guys got beat some. They also busted coverage plenty from just a lack of experience. Just having Jones and Greene prevents most of the busts, as they know the system. Get them back, things improve. Then we can turn some things loose with blitzes. Having young corners on islands who aren't reacting instinctively limits that.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 8:07 AM
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The good thing is a win and they got some valuable experience against a great QB and some good wideouts.
Will pay dividends later this year and next.
Toriano was in good position on most of those plays, and the late hit was really an iffy call. Bang bang play where he was already committed to the hit.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 8:39 AM
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The late hit was a flat out BS call. Lots is poasters on here want to criticize our players and “call it like it is”. Well I’m calling that BS call what it was.
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Sep 25, 2022, 9:15 AM
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 8:18 AM
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The answer to that is yes. And no, they didn't get beat "some." They literally got beat on ever SINGLE play. Every single one. PI or 30 yard catch is getting beat. Show me a play where they won. There isn't one. Its insane to me that Wake didn't literally just throw it up every play and get a completion or PI. They could have gone up and down the field like that all night. So yes, anyone would have done better than losing on EVERY SINGLE PLAY.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 8:47 AM
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If I'm not badly mistaken they won the last play of the game! That's one they won.....................
The answer to that is yes. And no, they didn't get beat "some." They literally got beat on ever SINGLE play. Every single one. PI or 30 yard catch is getting beat. Show me a play where they won. There isn't one. Its insane to me that Wake didn't literally just throw it up every play and get a completion or PI. They could have gone up and down the field like that all night. So yes, anyone would have done better than losing on EVERY SINGLE PLAY.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 9:01 AM
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Pride was in a position most of the time that required a good throw to beat him. He's going to be good if not great. I'm not so sure about Wiggins or Davis. It's too early to tell for Lukus but if others don't step up he's going to get a lot of experience quick.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 8:56 AM
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I don’t know. But that’s not what I’m really addressing here. Everette was a 5 star recruit that decomitted from us. We had one spot open late in the recruiting process.
That left us with two options: find a project or hit the portal. We chose to sign a project that wouldn’t be ready to contribute over a proven starter from the portal.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 8:59 AM
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Lukus was a 5 star on some sites.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 9:01 AM
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I know that.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 10:18 AM
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Then which one is the "project"?
Do you remember a walk-on from Clemson beating an All_American CB from Bama for two TD's? All CB's get beat. Yesterday wasn't pretty, but a learning experience that will make the young CBs better.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Myles Oliver is the project. I think GT was his only P5 offer when we offered him after Everette decomitted. He ended up being a 3 star, ranked in the 700s I believe.
We lost a 5 star in Everette, then signed a project. But we knew Sheridan was the only returning CB with experience. Not sure why the coaches didn’t just find someone through the portal at that point.
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 11:46 AM
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Oliver IS a good player that will definitely be a contributer if he stays the course. I will agree that he is a project, but I would say that about 90% of freshman. The kid has a lot of upside and played in a REALLY tough region, successfully, that ain't bad. The big thing a lot of us need to recognize is that a lot of these kids didn't get as much exposure during the "covid era" as in years past and not everyone can go to all of the UA and Nike Camps. This is why some under the radar kids are 3* and those that camp everywhere can be 4*. The camp system has been flawed for decades as I watched a hometown guy and friend, Wally Richardson get tabbed as the #1 QB in the nation coming off of camps. He was good, but #1? No. Sorry for the long reply, but let's not hate on Oliver. Go Tigers!
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Re: Would Everette have been any better than Pride
Sep 25, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Totally agree! Also a little more cover 2 would possibly had helped yesterday. Look at the last player of the game. The corner had help. The thing is we were playing true freshman out there and having to learn on the fly. They will get the coaching and will be ok going forward!
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:13 AM
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I hate to say this and I hold my nose as I do, but if other big names are going to flat out recruit players from other schools (looking at you Saban) we are going to have to as well. Come play where you can win a NC is very attractive.
That has to be the tactic until the NCAA can find a way to enforce rules to stop tampering.
Tampering should equate to the death penalty for 2 years. It has that much impact on the integrity of the game.
Cannot have the mediocre teams with great players start to be the farm teams for the big dogs.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:24 AM
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I was typing my reply before I read yours. Clemson is probably one of the few schools that is not tampering. I believe Dabo will quit before he cheats.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:53 AM
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Jimbo made serious offers to Bryce Young this past off season trying to get him to transfer to Texas ATM.
Saban is seeing the pros and cons of tampering.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 12:40 PM
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I am curious, where did you hear this? On what planet would anyone leave Alabama for Jimbo?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:15 AM
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getting to the NFL is what these kids care about in high school, Natty maybe a small part of it but the real goal in the NFL... these kids are told they are the next coming... we got a few young kids that got humbled Saturday, they will either respond and improve or head to the portal... for the vast majority of players the NFL never happens, to those that do make it, its short lived, not a lot of 10-15 year veterans in the NFL...
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So other programs doing it better have to be tampering?
Sep 25, 2022, 11:01 AM
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Is accusing the opposition of cheating really your default excuse?
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Tampering
Sep 25, 2022, 8:20 AM
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How many good players enter the portal without knowing their new destination? My guess would be not many. To know your transfer destination means that the receiving school has cheated and committed tampering. Dabo is never going to cheat or tamper. We all can talk about getting players from the portal but, unless the rules change, Clemson will gain very few players this way.
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Re: Tampering
Sep 25, 2022, 8:30 AM
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I agree. When people talk about the portal and look who Bama got, I suspect those players chose to leave their school and go to Bama. I think many mistakenly think recruiting the portal is like recruiting a high school player. It’s not. Those that don’t know when they enter are not going to be the quality of players that will add value.
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Re: Tampering
Sep 25, 2022, 9:22 AM
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I’ve never commented on the portal before. However, I agree with you. I think the players that have the potential to be immediate impact players already know where they’re going to end up before they ever enter the portal. It’s hard to believe that there is not some sort of cheating or tampering in those instances. I don’t know.
Outside of those players, I don’t know how many others in the portal could be considered “proven starters”. What’s left are guys that can’t get on the field or are unhappy. So, basically people would be asking Dabo to; 1) cheat to get the immediate impact player, or 2) take a risk on a project player from the portal when that is easily done via the normal recruiting process.
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Re: Tampering
Sep 25, 2022, 10:08 AM
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And the project player would likely not choose Clemson for the same reason he entered the portal to begin with. Not enough playing time.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:22 AM
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Could we have? Who would that have been?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:36 AM
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“You play to win the game.” Now we are back to the portal. SMH
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:34 AM
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Stop whining about the portal. All we needed to have happen is the coaching staff realizing sooner they should be playing a Tampa 2 defense and not press coverage. We weren’t Russ hung the qb good enough for man coverage with freshman dbs
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:12 AM
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That is reasonable.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 7:39 PM
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Curious, why Tampa 2? Why not just cover 2?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 8:40 AM
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Yea, 4-0 is OBVIOUSLY filled with lots of bad decisions.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 9:00 AM
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You all are missing the point. Clemson can greatly benefit from the portal, but Dabo refuses to use it. We lost both starting CBs and only had one experienced CB returning. We all knew CB would be the weak link on the defense. The transfer portal helps fix that instantly. That’s what all the other great teams are doing. They fill holes through the portal.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 9:05 AM
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And you are missing the point that we all know (and some agree) that Dabo has a certain type of player he wants on his team and he will not recruit someone who doesn’t fit. Add in the factors that he needs to be a proven player and the limited selection in the portal and it all of a sudden doesn’t look like such an easy solution.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:23 AM
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I think Leon and Rhett both make valid points but the fact is the very top tier schools the last two years have proven that their use of the portal has given them a pretty big advantage.
For them, it's the same as adding a 4 or 5 star recruit(with experience).
I agree with Dabo's reasoning but at what cost?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:18 AM
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name the kid who would "greatly improve" Clemson and would agree to come to Clemson if offered and then tell me which kid who did commit to Clemson, busted his butt and is still at Clemson should be set aside? Name the name.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:28 AM
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It has become a sad state of affairs.
Dabo would be forced to give up some morality(for a lack of a better choice of words) to keep up with the Joneses.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:46 AM
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What morality is in jeopardy by filling in a couple of holes each year? No one is advocating a wholesale use of the portal but a limited use is essential.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 26, 2022, 7:32 AM
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You realize you can win games against inferior talent while simultaneously making bad decisions and playing subpar which will result in losses later against better opponents, right?
Some of yall are incapable of thinking.
Don't be SC. "wE ArE 4-0"
"You've played no one"
Sounds a little like that. Depends on what your standard is. Mine is Bama, Ohio State, Georgia. Not barely beating a 21 ranked team in double overtime giving up 48 points. OSU is killing teams. Bama is murdering them. To think the end of the year will look like we want if we play defense like this is pure hope. 2018 was different. Way different.
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Who is the HS project? They are all 4-5 stars lol? Phillips?
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Re: Transfer portal
Sep 25, 2022, 10:26 AM
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We lost both starting CBs.
Daylen Everette decommitted.
Sheridan lining up to be the only returning CB with legit experience.
We could have brought in an experienced CB from the portal. Instead, we signed a high school project that needs a couple of years to develop.
After 4 games, it’s obvious that was a poor decision.
I hope Sheridan gets back healthy this week. And I hope Mike Reed can coach the young guys up.
Great post! Expecting Us to have two functional CBs ready to play is not too much to ask. Expecting two freshman to be ready even at 2nd team is risky at best. 2-3 years ago we did not fill our 85 slots because of poor planning. We had no 3* fallback offers who after a couple of years in the program would be able to play basic press man and turn their head to the ball instead of watching the receiver. We could have found a player or two in the portal as insurance but chose not to engage. Surely a functional CB was available who was not a delinquent so our culture would have been protected. Dabo has been great for Clemson but is not perfect so when folks question him it is not the end of the world
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Careful , pumpers gonna come at you***
Sep 25, 2022, 10:41 AM
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Re: Careful , pumpers gonna come at you***
Sep 26, 2022, 8:19 AM
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It's just hard to see how one or two transfers would fundamentally change the culture of the program.
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Cold hard truth, we’re hurting ourselves…
Sep 25, 2022, 12:36 PM
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By not engaging the portal.
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Re: Cold hard truth, we’re hurting ourselves…
Sep 26, 2022, 8:22 AM
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Since all the other elite programs are utilizing the portal, we can't miss in recruiting. But that will never be possible. We miss all the time. Everyone does.
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Lots of TDs, just people that don't like a healthy debate
Sep 26, 2022, 8:38 AM
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Stupid to TD your post. The transfer portal is a legal entity that we have chosen not to utilize even though it could benefit us. Puts us behind the 8-ball. UGA, OSU, and Bama are all using it and you be guaranteed they would have gone out and gotten some help in the secondary given the same situation we have.
Sunshine pumpers alive and well with the TDs.
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