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Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 9:54 PM
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Deshaun could get us out of a jam and literally carry the team. While Trevor fit the prototypical NFL QB in terms of his mechanics and make up, when he’s off he’s really off and no coming back from it! Deshaun always found a way
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Agree, both great players but DW4 gets my vote
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Jan 14, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Still think HR13
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 9:58 PM
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DW4 also got us into much of the trouble he had to get out of. Both great QBs
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:03 PM
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Bingo. Deshaun was awesome but he had alot more games where he had to undo his mess ups early. Trevor had what 4 bad games his entire career and only lost 2 of them LSU and Ohio State.
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He never faced a team as great as 2019 LSU***
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:47 PM
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 9:59 PM
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My favorite football player of all time regardless of any team is Deshaun. Just his instinctual control of the game is surreal and no way is human.
He got snubbed by Lamar for the Heisman, but he also threw 17 INTs in that season. So looking back, he made his own mess often. But he always got out of it anyways. Only if he somehow kept that “carry us” mentality all game every game.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 10:01 PM
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Two words: Steve Fuller.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:06 PM
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:04 PM
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Trevor Lawrence was every bit as good as DW4 at the college level . Don’t see it like you do. 1 Natty for each qb. Trevor Lawrence 34-2 at Clemson. DW4 was 33-5.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 10:08 PM
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It’s definitely close but all I mean is DW4 has the mental edge in tough situations
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Mental edge? He just lost 28 games the last too seasons
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Jan 15, 2023, 12:26 PM
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because he was too stupid to just pay those skeezers he was exposing himself to the first time they stuck their hands out
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 11:03 PM
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But let’s say u have both on the team at the same time and they’re both sophomores and you’re in a game down by 6 points with 1:30 left in the game who would u put in to lead the team minute offense? I love Trevor but deshaun played his best the bigger the game was. Anyways GO TIGERS!!!
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With a 17-7 lead
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:16 PM
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Trevor couldn’t convert easy 3rd downs vs LSU.
Anyone with a pulse knew we had to score with them eventually. Their offense was gonna find a way. A 10 point lead should have been enough if we could exploit their soso defense. We didn’t.
Meanwhile DW4 just had the look of we are gonna go score and win this vs Bama. And did.
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Re: With a 17-7 lead
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:25 PM
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I think it’s unfair to compare TL and DW as to who was the better QB at Clemson. They both had excellent career’s at Clemson. Both had great games, made great plays, they both leads us to NC’s. Clemson was very fortunate to have both choose to play for the Tigers !
We are so lucky to have gotten them both !
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Re: With a 17-7 lead
Jan 15, 2023, 12:51 PM
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It's a difficult call because both accomplished about the same things while here. Some other 10 players were different, so tough.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 10:26 PM
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Trevor Lawrence was every bit as good as DW4 at the college level . Don’t see it like you do. 1 Natty for each qb. Trevor Lawrence 34-2 at Clemson. DW4 was 33-5.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 10:36 PM
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Pretty sure both sort of regressed overall while at cu…I loved both and what they were able to do.
Also, the LSU game I swear to this day Trevor was concussed from the Ohio State game. He took multiple pops including a targeting. Just wasn’t himself and if he just has an a over average first half we would’ve really had a great chance in that game. We would run our QB’s more in the playoffs back then…
Not sure how much Streeter had to do with all that.
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lol Tnet fans
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:32 PM
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Largely don’t know #### about football. But good at dressing up in orange and purple. God love em!
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 10:36 PM
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It's absolutely nothing against DW4, but it took him two games to win his natty.
TL won his as a Freshman. Yeah, he lost one to LSU... but it's not his fault that we couldn't stop Joe Burrow. And in the COVID year, we lost in the semis to OSU... but I think we can look back now and see that was the beginning of the offensive woes that eventually led to the big coaching change this week.
Both were superb college QBs. It's silly to troll thread to bring one down.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:08 PM
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The loss to Bama in the 2015 season had absolutely nothing to do with DW’s performance. Threw for 400 yards and was called one of the best Championship performances in history. We couldn’t stop Henry and obviously the onside kick and kick return TD.
Deshaun had some great defenses, but we were not at the level we were at when Trevor was there on defense. And that showed in the 2018 Bama game with AJ Terrell pick 6 and holding them to 16 points. Put Deshaun on that 2018 team, forget it.
But both were legends, case closed.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:08 PM
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The loss to Bama in the 2015 season had absolutely nothing to do with DW’s performance. Threw for 400 yards and was called one of the best Championship performances in history. We couldn’t stop Henry and obviously the onside kick and kick return TD.
Deshaun had some great defenses, but we were not at the level we were at when Trevor was there on defense. And that showed in the 2018 Bama game with AJ Terrell pick 6 and holding them to 16 points. Put Deshaun on that 2018 team, forget it.
But both were legends, case closed.
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Eh it's tough to REALLY compare
Jan 14, 2023, 10:37 PM
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Idk how it was misremembered but TL16 was the one who actually made the "resting starters in the 2nd half" a regular thing -- dude was dominant in the regular season on par with how dominant Peyton Manning was in the NFL during the regular season. TL never had a close game during the regular season so hard to say if he could do similar things in crunch time. He did have the comeback against Ohio State but there weren't really any other close games that gave him a shot to lead a game winning drive like DW4.
DW4 had more entertaining games and didn't have nearly as many "done by the 3rd quarter" games. For better or worse, DW4 was also sometimes the reason we'd be in tight games deep in the 4th.
That said, both are great and easily can be 1A and 1B depending on the day you ask me. I'd give the edge to DW4 too for clutch drives since we saw them for ourselves but it's like...
Do you penalize one great player because he was so dominant that games were almost never in doubt?
Or do you penalize the QB that had heroics but was sometimes the reason he'd have to put on a cape and will his team to victory?
Anyways, I wish they would've both went back-to-back on the CFP titles because they definitely deserved it.
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Watson had a 24 point lead vs the Chiefs and still lost, so
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:45 PM
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there's that as well
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Was about to reply the same - that was his first
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:55 PM
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Playoff game too or maybe 2nd maybe they had won one before that
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It was his 3rd. They lost to the Colts in the WC game the
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:17 PM
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year before and they had just beaten the Bills in the WC game the week before the Chiefs spotted them 24
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Posting this when Jax is losing a playoff game...
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:52 PM
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Is the dumbest troll imaginable, because it has nothing to do with how they played at Clemson.
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Re: Posting this when Jax is losing a playoff game...
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Jan 14, 2023, 10:57 PM
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My thoughts exactly fchrisgrimm
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Deshaun is the GOAT
Jan 14, 2023, 10:56 PM
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Deshaun carried the offense on his back, Trevor never did that.
Deshaun always played his best when the stakes were the highest. I wish that was true of Trevor but it wasn't.
Trevor was better as a freshman, but in their last two years, Deshaun went next level while Trevor leveled off (more or less).
Deshaun definitely dug the team in holes with INTs, but he had less to work with on offense. This is one of the reasons he ran for twice as many yards as Trevor. He was also a better runner to start with.
We can only imagine if Deshaun had someone like ETN in the backfield all 3 of his years.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 11:02 PM
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I disagree my friend. TL made some Big time plays with his legs. Without some of those TL’s runs we possibly could have lost those games. I would give them both the Title “ GOAT “. Both are once in a Generation QB’s.Bpth helped Clemson Win a NC !
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 11:08 PM
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Even if they don't come back and win with the way he's fought back this aged poorly
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:31 PM
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I have never used the c-word because I think it is classless, but Tigre77... suck it, coot.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:33 PM
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This didn't age well
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LOL this didn’t age well***
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:33 PM
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You also obviously don’t remember DW4 and the Texans blowing a huge lead in the playoffs against the chiefs.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:34 PM
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That aged like really bad cheese.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 14, 2023, 11:36 PM
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Trevor Lawrence GOAT
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Well, that didn’t age well now did it?
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:40 PM
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Great prognostication there Chief!! They ought to have you on there with Boomer and Coach Cower on the pregame show, genius!!!
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DW4 vs TL16 is like
Jan 14, 2023, 11:51 PM
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The chicken of the egg question. They both are the greatest to ever wear the Paw, and both had certain qualities that you could make arguments for. Bottom line, they were both winners.
What a fun time to be a Clemson fan. The best is STILL yet to come.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 14, 2023, 11:54 PM
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~JKB
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Well, let's see...One of them just pulled off the 3rd
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Jan 15, 2023, 1:06 AM
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largest comeback in NFL Playoff history and the other just missed 28 games because they were, checks notes, a sexual predator...I know which one I'm building MY team around
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
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Jan 15, 2023, 5:28 AM
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I actually think burrow lsu team was one of those generational teams that no one was beating that year. I mean if you look at Georgia who’s final opponent was TCU. I think Trevor could have won 2 Mattie’s.
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Uhhhh...
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Jan 15, 2023, 6:30 AM
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I have no words.
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Re: Why DW4 is the GOAT Clemson QB
Jan 15, 2023, 7:40 AM
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Trying to distinguish is really splitting hairs and I would not put one above the other. Both were fantastic QB’s.
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Trevor found a way . . .***
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