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Orange Blooded [3855]
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Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 11:29 AM
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By his 2014 season he went 7-5. He had 4 5 star recruits 44 4 star recruits on his team. Of those 35 were ESPN top 300 recruits.
With that said, you can argue that based on recruiting ranking, his teams at Florida were more talented than most teams, including Clemson.
I'm very excited to see what he can do with three star kids at USuC haha.
This is going to be a great ride.
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Re: Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 11:33 AM
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7-5 would get him a statue after what Spurrier left them with
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Rival Killer [2882]
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Re: Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 11:45 AM
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that was 7-5 with a lot more talent than he'll every get at USuC. He'll be lucky to be above .500 during any season. Go Tigers
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Re: Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 11:35 AM
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Recruiting was never his problem. He will give us some headaches on the recruiting trail, but will that translate into wins? Based on his previous stop at UF, this seems doubtful. When he leaves SCAR the next coach may pull a Jim McElwain and immediately improve the team with quality leadership and coaching. He will leave SCAR with the cupboard fuller than when he got the job.
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Rival Killer [2958]
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No headaches
Dec 16, 2015, 11:43 AM
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That's the premise, Chump is about to find out he can't recruit the caliber of athlete at USuC that he could at Florida. Florida recruits itself,if you can't win there , U can't win anywhere.
Recruiting for Mac Brown in TEXAS is different than recruiting at USuC.
Recruiting for Gus at Auburn is different than recruiting at USuC.
He'll be playing with 2, 3 and a few 4 stars at USuC,not the makings of a Top 10 team.His ability to lose with 4 and 5 stars proves he'll never coach up 2-3 star talent well enough to compete.
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Re: No headaches
Dec 16, 2015, 11:58 AM
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I respectfully disagree. True, he won't be able to recruit like he did at Florida, but he will still have success. We've been spoiled the last 2-3 years in our competition with the Gamecocks as Spurrier was busy playing golf. Muschamp will recruit and recruit well. He won't win, but he'll be able to land some studs.
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Re: Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 12:45 PM
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What did McElwain provide this year? Other than having a better quarterback than Muschamp had last year. Oh yeah that QB was one Muschamp recruited.
Once Grier was suspended Florida's offense was worse than when Muschamp was there.
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That he knew how to coach.***
Dec 16, 2015, 1:03 PM
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I'm assuming you meant prove.
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Orange Blooded [3855]
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you referring to the qb that was taking peds while muschump was there?
Dec 16, 2015, 1:08 PM
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Your coach is garbage hahaha. I'm actually shocked. The bottom was farther than I remember.
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Re: Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 1:34 PM
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You mean the QB who was eating PEDs as if they were candy?
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Legend [6622]
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UF went from laughing stock to SEC East champs
Dec 16, 2015, 6:17 PM
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Not that the SEC East is really all that impressive, Duke could win that division.
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Re: Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 10:50 PM
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"Recruiting was never his problem."
Uh - I could recruit at Auburn, Texas, and Florida - but I doubt Muschump can recruit at USUC. It is NOT the same.
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Seems like he's still "A Coach In Waiting".***
Dec 16, 2015, 11:36 AM
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Re: Muschamp by the numbers.
Dec 16, 2015, 11:37 AM
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You don't even have to go back that far. Just look at what he had at Auburn.
5* DE Carl Lawson
5* DE Byron Cowart
5* DT Montravius Adams
5* LB Kris Frost
5* LB Tre Williams
...and the rest of the defense is filled with 4*'s yet they weren't even a top 50 defense.
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To be fair, their offense was pretty
Dec 16, 2015, 11:40 AM
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terrible this year. Too many turnovers put their defense in a tough spot. On the flip side though, BV coached the #1 defense in the country last year, and that included some Cole Stoudt stretches that were less than stellar.
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Wait, Cole Stoudt played on
Dec 16, 2015, 11:52 AM
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defense?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105932]
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Occasionally he did
Dec 16, 2015, 11:54 AM
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after throwing INTs
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At Florida he found a way to grind steak into hamburger.***
Dec 16, 2015, 11:42 AM
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Orange Blooded [3855]
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Annoying Boom thing will become funny after they start another losing streak.
Dec 16, 2015, 11:43 AM
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Could you imagine after we curb stop them. Clemson crushes the coots. #Boom
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He failed at Florida....
Dec 16, 2015, 11:46 AM
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with all their talent, facilities and history.
I think its fair to say that the likelihood of achieving any sustained success at South Carolina is remote at best which is why most of the talking heads categorize CussChamp as the biggest bust among all the new coaching hires.
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Well, I think...
Dec 16, 2015, 12:05 PM
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it takes so little for them to feign success that Mushy can probably spend the rest of his life there making them 'successful.'
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All those championships Spurrier won spoiled them....
Dec 16, 2015, 12:29 PM
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Oh wait !!!!
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Re: He failed at Florida....
Dec 16, 2015, 12:51 PM
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Biggie,
What would it take for Muschamp to be considered successful for you?
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I can guarantee you....
Dec 16, 2015, 12:57 PM
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my definition of success and what you deluded goobers would "settle for" as some watered-down version of success are vastly different.
CussChamp failed at Florida with all their talent, facilities and history. What, in your wildest dreams, makes you think he will fair any better at $CU than he did at Florida?
There is a very good reason why Clemson fans are more excited about the MusCoot hire than $CU fans are.
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Why do you care what Biggie thinks? The more important
Dec 16, 2015, 12:59 PM
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question is what would it take for Muschamp to be considered successful for you? Do you think Spurrier was successful?
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Re: Why do you care what Biggie thinks? The more important
Dec 16, 2015, 1:01 PM
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So biggie can be put on record.
He's the type of poster that no matter what Muschamp does he will consider him unsuccessful.
Yes I consider Spurrier successful.
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Re: Why do you care what Biggie thinks? The more important
Dec 16, 2015, 1:10 PM
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So muschamps took Urban's players and won 11 games...sank the ship with his own. Mcelwain takes champs players and wins the east??? So if mcelwain maintains success after he brings his own in then I would surmise that champ was the problem. Also,I don't think muscoot makes yall worse.... I just don't think he'll make you better, which is bad if you are 3-9.
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Re: Why do you care what Biggie thinks? The more important
Dec 16, 2015, 1:20 PM
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Muschamp had Florida improving from 4-8 to 7-5. Had their game against Wyoming or Idaho or whoever it was not been cancelled they would have been 8-5.
It can easily be argued that 7-5 to 10-2 would have been possible under muschamp. You're arguing as if they went 11-2, 7-5 then 4-8. They weren't on a downward trend.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105932]
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Answer the Muschamp question then
Dec 16, 2015, 1:23 PM
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If Spurrier was successful without winning anything, does Muschamp get the same pass?
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Re: Answer the Muschamp question then
Dec 16, 2015, 1:26 PM
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Spurrier won the East.
And yes, if Muschamp can consistently win 8 games with some 10-11 win seasons sprinkled in it would be hard to argue he wasn't successful.
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Re: Answer the Muschamp question then
Dec 16, 2015, 1:29 PM
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LOL, IF YALL HAD HIRED BOWDEN HE WOULD STILL BE DOWN THERE WINNING YALL 8-9 GAMES. HAPPY TIMES IN COOTERVILLE.
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He won the east? Is that an accomplishment now?
Dec 16, 2015, 1:33 PM
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He!l even Mizzou won the east...twice.
I know your school has no history of winning, but have some standards and demand championships. Winning the east and getting absolutely rolled in the SECCG should not be a good resume bullet point.
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Re: He won the east? Is that an accomplishment now?
Dec 16, 2015, 1:41 PM
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So essentially you're arguing a coach is only successful if he wins a national championship?
Just seems like an absurd standard for most college football programs.
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I think the point is....
Dec 16, 2015, 1:47 PM
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in eleven years as head coach, he won the East one time and that happened in a year when the East was as bad as it has been at any point in the last 40 years. He never won the conference championship and he never got you to a BCS Bowl. In fact, he never really won anything of any real significance. I think it's fair to say when you hired him, the expectations were just a bit higher than that.
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Can you copy/paste where I said national championship?
Dec 16, 2015, 1:51 PM
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If Muschamp wins the SEC at South Carolina, I will consider him successful. Spurrier failed at Scar, and no 5th place rings or 5-peats will make up for that.
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Re: Can you copy/paste where I said national championship?
Dec 16, 2015, 2:01 PM
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In the last decade to win the SEC you've had to be capable of winning the national championship. You can't ignore that if you're having a reasonable conversation
Six of the last 10 SEC Champions won the national title. One SEC champion lost the national championship to another SEC school. One SEC Champion lost in the national championship game. One champion finished #1 in the regular season only to lose to the eventual national champion in the semifinal. While the most recent champion is in the CFB playoffs.
8 out of 9 playing for a national championship is an absurd run and while you're not explicitly typing it, you are arguing that Muschamp pretty much must win a national championship.
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It's a moot point....
Dec 16, 2015, 2:21 PM
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Based on the current trend in your recruiting, Muschamp isn't likely to finish any better than 3rd or 4th in the $EC East let alone win a conference championship.
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Now you're being even more stupid than I gave you credit for
Dec 16, 2015, 3:44 PM
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Dabo just went 12-0 in the regular season. Personally, without an ACC Championship I wouldn't have called this a successful season. But we beat UNC and got a championship = success. Whether or not we win the national championship, it's still a successful season. In 2011, our season was successful despite getting the doors blown off by WVU in the Orange Bowl. We won a championship that year.
If Muschamp wins an SEC Championship, and either fails to make the playoffs, or loses in the first round, I'd call that a success.
So no, I am neither explicitly nor implicitly saying a national championship is required to be successful.
Why would you label a coach successful for achieving mediocrity? Is it because your team has been no good for 100+ years? Or is it because you've come to the realization that no coach can actually win the SEC at South Carolina?
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Almost without exception....
Dec 16, 2015, 4:04 PM
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every LameCock on the planet, including Clueless09, said if Spurrier couldn't get it done at $CU, it couldn't be done.
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Re: Now you're being even more stupid than I gave you credit for
Dec 16, 2015, 4:08 PM
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It's unfortunate we can't have a reasonable discussion.
So you have two teams, team a and team b.
Team A beats Team B head to head.
Team A finishes with a better record than Team B.
Team A finishes higher in the polls than Team B.
It's clear that Team A was the better team.
But according to your logic, team B had a successful season and team A did not.
I don't understand why you would intentionally have such an illogical argument.
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The only reason the discussion isn't reasonable is because
Dec 16, 2015, 4:27 PM
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you're unwilling to admit that you've come to the realization that a coach can't win the SEC from South Carolina. That's the point.
We won our conference and got rings for that. You didn't win your conference. Was it a good year for South Carolina? Absolutely, but what do you have to show for it? We were a very young team that wasn't supposed to get as far as we did that year but surpassed all expectations and won the ACC. We started 8-0 with wins against Auburn, FSU and at VT. If memory serves we weren't favored in any of those games.
And yes, we were successful and you weren't and we have hardware to back that up. If in a given year we go 12-0 regular season and lose the ACCCG, and fail to make the playoffs, I don't count that as a success. In that same year, if South Carolina goes 9-3, backs into the SECCG and wins it, but fails to make the playoffs it's a successful year for Scar who would have lost head to head to Clemson and likely end up being ranked below us.
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Re: The only reason the discussion isn't reasonable is because
Dec 16, 2015, 4:31 PM
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Whatever makes you feel better about being unreasonable.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105932]
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Ok, I'll put it a different way and type slower this time...
Dec 16, 2015, 4:34 PM
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Do you think Muschamp can win the SEC Championship at Scar?
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Re: Ok, I'll put it a different way and type slower this time...
Dec 16, 2015, 4:38 PM
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I'm not sure South Carolina is capable of winning an SEC Championshio. But I'm not sure what that has to do with the absurdity of your argument?
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Why is it absurd to base success off of winning
Dec 16, 2015, 4:44 PM
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championships? Isn't that what a major Power 5 football program should demand from their coach? Otherwise, what's the point? Might as well hand out participation trophies or 5th place rings.
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Re: Why is it absurd to base success off of winning
Dec 16, 2015, 4:51 PM
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There is only one championship that every team is eligible for each season. When you start comparing titles that teams can't compete for it just becomes illogical.
It just seems absurd to me that you genuinely believe that 5-7 North Texas was more successful than Nebraska who lost in the national championship game in 2001.
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Well Clemson has a chance to win 2 championships this year
Dec 16, 2015, 5:13 PM
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so you're wrong when you say "There is only one championship that every team is eligible for each season." Also, if I recall, Nebraska didn't win their division, and didn't make the championship game. I think if you would ask Nebraska fans, they would agree that their conference run was not successful. However, they still got a chance to play for the national championship and failed. So I would guess Nebraska fans again would say that wasn't successful. Teams with a history of winning tend to have a higher standard than being happy with 7-8 wins a year with an occasional 10 or 11 game season. That's the difference. North Texas on the other hand does not have a big football history to my knowledge, so if they won their conference in 2001 I would call that a success.
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Re: Well Clemson has a chance to win 2 championships this year
Dec 16, 2015, 5:23 PM
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lol this is just sad on your part.
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No, what's sad is calling 8 wins a year with an
Dec 16, 2015, 9:23 PM
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occasional 10 or 11 win season sprinkled in a success. How many successful college coaches can you name that have never won a championship of any kind?
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Re: No, what's sad is calling 8 wins a year with an
Dec 16, 2015, 9:48 PM
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Guess it's a good thing spurrier won a championship at South Carolina then.
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The year he won the SEC LEast he was successful,
Dec 16, 2015, 9:58 PM
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There is no denying that. USuCk did what they always do. They killed a legend. He burnt himself out trying to convince losers that they can win. Ask yourself this, after all of the success that you guys had under Spurrier, how shocked were coot fans that they went 3-9 this year? Are they used to it? Does it feel comfortable and familiar? Did Carolina regress or did they just go home?
The beauty of being an SEC homer is you buy into that "someone has to be last place" mentality. Until coots quit accepting that, they will always be the lovable losers.
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Re: The year he won the SEC LEast he was successful,
Dec 16, 2015, 10:50 PM
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The fact we don't have the resources to compete with the bigger schools in the SEC has nothing to do with our wants.
As fans we can't will our way to an SEC championship.
Do you have kids? If so, I'm assuming they never made it to the professional level in sports? Did you laugh at them and tell them they weren't successful? Did you tell them if only they wanted it a little more they would be successful?
Or did you have realistic goals for them and just want them to improve?
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Re: The year he won the SEC LEast he was successful,
Dec 16, 2015, 11:41 PM
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What kid is getting paid multiple millions of dollars to win though? I don't see how that comparison makes any sense. So you're saying if a high school football player in South Carolina wants to compete for a conference and/or national title that he should go to Clemson since according to you South Carolina just doesn't have the resources to do those things?
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Yes...Spurrier won the East....
Dec 16, 2015, 1:40 PM
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in a year when the East was as bad as it has been at any time in the last 40 years. He followed that-up by getting embarrassed in the SECCG and the bowl game.
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Re: Why do you care what Biggie thinks? The more important
Dec 16, 2015, 1:27 PM
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KINDA WEIRD EVERYONE NOT A COOT CALLS COACH BOOM THE WORST HIRE OF THE SEASON. EVEN WORSE THAN THE CUSE FOR GODS SAKE. YOU IDIOTS GO AHEAD AND DRINK THE KOOTAID. LIKE YOUR LATEST GOD, COACH SUPERIOR LOST AT LEAST 5 GAMES IN 8 OF HIS 10.5 SEASONS. AND YOU MORONS ARE NAMING EVERY BUILDING AND FIELD AFTER THAT GUY. AND STILL WONDER WHY YOU ARE THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL.
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Muschamp went 7 - 6 his first year at Florida....
Dec 16, 2015, 1:38 PM
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losing to pretty much every decent team they faced. The best win, by far, came against a 6-6 Ohio State team in the Gator Bowl.
He followed that up with an 11-2 season anchored with a bunch of Urban Meyer recruits, but did not make the $EC Championship game and then got manhandles by Louisville in the Sugar Bowl.
In 2013, and with two of his own recruiting classes under his belt, he goes 4 - 8 including losses to Vanderbilt, and Georgia Southern.
His fourth and last season, he posts a record of 5-4 and was summarily dismissed following an embarrassing loss at home to South Carolina. He did go 2-1 in the last three games after his firing was announced with wins over Eastern Kentucky and East Carolina.
If you're happy with 7 - 5 or 8 - 4, no conferences championships, no hope of ever making the college football playoffs, and appearances in meaningless mediocre bowl games, Muschamp is probably the right man for you.
To me, that's not success. It's doing just enough to retain your job, keep most of the fans quiet, and the AD happy.
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Re: Why do you care what Biggie thinks? The more important
Dec 16, 2015, 10:54 PM
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"Yes I consider Spurrier successful. "
So, if you owned a company and your company manager walked off the job in the middle of a crisis, then you would praise that guy?
For the love of everything that is holy - DO NOT EVER TRY TO RUN A COMPANY. YOU WOULD TOTALLY SUCK AT IT.
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Re: Why do you care what Biggie thinks? The more important
Dec 16, 2015, 11:20 PM
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lol if you're going to keep an underperforming employee on the job when he wants to quit, maybe you shouldn't run a business.
I was in the process of firing an employee recently and she turned in her resignation. I was thrilled. Keeping her on longe would have been awful.
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Of course they consider Spurrier successful....
Dec 16, 2015, 1:14 PM
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They plastered his name all over the inside of the stadium, hung and 80 banner of him outside the stadium, continued to pay him even after he quit on them, named the indoor practice facility after him, and are now they're considering naming the field inside Williams Brice after him and all this after he took a giant power dump on their University, their fans, their coaches, their players and their recruits.
He's the winningest coach in $CU history which is akin to being the tallest midget. His single biggest accomplishment was beating Clemson five years in a row. Otherwise, he had no championships or BCS Bowl appearances and by most accounts, he left them in far worse shape than when he arrived. He is effectively their version of Tommy Bowden without the morals, character or integrity.
They're so desperate for success they'll take pretty much anything they can get.
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Slurrier is worse than Bowden
Dec 16, 2015, 1:17 PM
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Bowden actually did leave Clemson in better shape than he found it.Slurrier wanted to make sure his successor didn't succeed .
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Re: Slurrier is worse than Bowden
Dec 16, 2015, 1:21 PM
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Oh lord. You honestly think spurrier sabotaged his team?
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Rival Killer [2958]
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You Coots are the ones claiming that he quit recruiting.
Dec 16, 2015, 1:26 PM
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Though I think he come to the realization that USuC can't compete with the Bama's of the world for players.
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Don't worry, he hired his same OC that put up these
Dec 16, 2015, 2:15 PM
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numbers in 2014:
27.9 ppg (72nd)
188 rushing ypg (43rd)
180 passing ypg (106th) (very balanced though!)
368 total ypg (96th)
And he inarguably had a better roster to work with down in Gainesville...
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