Re: Why do we hear more about Elon than Vance?

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Because the only POWER Vance has is breaking tie votes in the senate

Feb 12, 2025, 8:51 AM

Musk is the most powerful person ever appointed (or anointed in this case) in the federal governemnt. He has the power to close departments, with Trump's help, freeze spending, nullify Congressional appropriations and policies. He can halt Congressional laws on spending, and he can basically have free reign.

The VP is powerless. It's a titular position only good for replacing Presidents, or breaking tie votes in the Senate. THAT. IS. IT.

This is why we are in a Constitutional crisis. All votes, all laws, all deals, all contracts, nothing is safe or binding anymore.

This is a problem of our own making, so you can't really blame Trump or Musk. If it wasn't Trump or Musk, it WOULD BE SOMEONE ELSE. This is what happens. An Article V convention of the states, with passage of congressional term limits, and a balanced budget amendment would NOT be a constitutional crisis, as that solution works within the confines of our limited and separated powers set forth in the constitution. What is happening now, is beyond our Constitution. The fact Trump wouldn't pursue this approach, and instead take the one he has chosen, says all you need to know.

There is no rebound from this. Every law passed by Congress, every penny appropriated, every program created, that is passed, and signed by any past, or future President, is no longer safe, secure, guaranteed, or anything else. Every treaty we enter, every trade deal, it's all out the window. Trust has been lost.

And this is NOT POLITICAL. THIS IS NOT IDEOLOGICAL. THIS IS NOT LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE. THIS IS NOT REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT. You want to point a finger, point to Congress for not leading and abdicating their Constitutional duties. Point to past Presidents, dem and pub, who either failed to enact, or failed to enforce the laws passed by Congress and signed by past Presidents. And most importantly, blame yourselves for not being prudent in the voting booth and only voting for what you like to hear over what you know is right.

Just a shame really, because as "radical" as Article V has been labeled, it's far, far less radical (and damaging) than what is happening now. Article V is PART OF OUR CONSTITUTION. Closing departments, freezing money, breaking contracts and treaties, and everything else happening, is shredding our Constitution, and our image, and our word. The biggest failure in our founding was not elaborating on Article V more. It is the only check on Congress. It was designed for states to have the ability to address CONGRESSIONAL problems, should they arise, that Congress would not otherwise address itself, like limiting their own terms in office (something never considered nor conceived in 1787), and spending within a budget. But America has voted. France voted in the 1790's. Germany voted 1930s. China voted in the 1950s. North Korea voted Kim's for grandfather. Russia voted Putin into power. Iran voted for the Islamic Republic. Afghanistan voted for the Taliban. Cuba voted for Castro. Venezuela voted for Chavez. Iraq voted for Saddam Hussein. Democracies die with votes. The trick is to limit the options. And that's happened here, where that can never happen, and we will get results that should never happen. History is completely predictable, and on September 17, 1787, a bunch of urban, rich liberal businessmen, and a bunch of rural rich conservative farmers, all signed a document that had nothing do do with their politics, or their ideological beliefs, but had to do with what they all thought right, just, safe, and secure. They checked their own ambitions against others, power against power, money against poverty, religion against freedom, and they created an apolitical document designed to last for the ages, right through centuries of politics, parties, dogma, rhetoric, problems, wars, opinions, and ideologues. And it stood the test of time because it was designed to stand the test of time, with the intent to effectively govern, not rule, a free nation.

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MSIEGRAD® said:

Especially with Elon on a press conference in the oval office, did he buy the vice president position?

Because Musk and his Merry Dwarfs have access to wrote more checks to Musk And TheRump.
(TheRump's first task was to fire all the Inspector Generals, so now only Musk knows where the money is going. Then on to dismantle the FBI, so no one will catch them in their grand theft.)

MedicAid checks will stop soon. Then SocSec, followed by Veteran's (remember to TheRump, soldiers are "suckers and losers" checks that will get "lost in the mail," but will really go to their off-shore bank accts.

Hey, MAGAoids, you voted for these crooks and this crap. And TheRump's worldwide depression is coming. Having fun yet?

Why do we hear more about Elon than Vance?

Currently, Musk is the biggest threat to the Uniparty status quo.***

Re: Currently, Musk is the biggest threat to the Uniparty status quo.***

We've had a lot of Vice Presidents, but only one Elon, doing whatever it is he's

So the concept of "conflict of interest" just isn't a thing in your world.

Re: So the concept of "conflict of interest" just isn't a thing in your world.

I'm sure he'll make a tweet when he starts doing criminal stuff***

No independent individuals, teams, or agencies are able to see

I cannot believe

Because the only POWER Vance has is breaking tie votes in the senate

It's Congress that needs reigning in due to all the open-ended budgets for

You shouldn't look to SOMEBODY. You should look to SOME THING.

Been doing that for decades. That's the problem. This is the first time in a

Re: It's Congress that needs reigning in due to all the open-ended budgets for

Bought the VP role? Nah.

He's busy working for Americans

Notice how NO ONE

Because they need the outside consultant to ask the tough questions...

He bought the presidency

Re: He bought the presidency

I have a feeling Trump is going to fail at almost everything he does***

Re: I have a feeling Trump is going to fail at almost everything he does***