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Oct 28, 2024, 12:35 PM
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Tiger Nation,
For those of you that are upset about the recent AP poll, don’t be. These polls are useless and truly do not matter. The only poll that matters is the College Football Selection Committee’s rankings on December 8th. We have to ignore these irrelevant polls and keep winning games.
Stay patient and enjoy the ride,
Go Tigers!
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Re: AP Poll
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Oct 28, 2024, 12:42 PM
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Agreed!
No sense getting your blood pressure up over it.
LSU lost and Clemson "dropped" in the AP, wow!
Notre Dame lost "at home" to NIU.
Notre Dame also beat "ye ole SEC school Texas A&M" by 10 yet it's conveniently forgotton about.
Clemson lost to then #1 Georgia! The same Georgia who beat then #1 Texas in Austin - yet the Tigers drop in this silly A poll.
At this point; it's just whatever!
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Asst Coach [836]
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Re: AP Poll
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Oct 28, 2024, 12:53 PM
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The amount of bias that are in these polls are unbelievable. I never truly pay attention to the polls until the CFP rankings start to come out.
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Team Captain [460]
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Re: AP Poll
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:21 PM
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Good ol' SEC and Big 10 bias. I forgot about ND as well.
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Orange Immortal [62908]
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Re: AP Poll
Oct 29, 2024, 1:21 PM
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IMHO Notre Dame is worse than them all. They are the only school that gets to pick and choose what sport they want in a conference, and they are the only one that isn't in a conference with their FB program bc they can make more money by selling their TV rights to NBC, something that no other school in a conference would be allowed to do. IMO ND should be on the outside looking with all their sports programs, join a conference with all or none, and if not in a conference with all their sports they should be kept out of all post season games that conference schools compete in, period!!!!
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Re: AP Poll
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:35 PM
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Well nothing changes when those are released either. If anything, the college football playoff rankings boost SEC teams up more than the AP poll does….
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Tell 'em nothing since 1969 coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Oct 28, 2024, 2:01 PM
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Team Captain [460]
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:20 PM
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For the last decade, everytime Clemson has had a BYE week, the polls have dropped them, as they always get penalized for not playing. This is common. Clemson is the most disliked Top 10 program in the country.
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All-American [591]
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Oct 28, 2024, 2:23 PM
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This simply isn't true. We had a bye week in week 3. And went from 22 to 21. That's just this year. I'm sure there have been others over the years.
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Clemson Icon [24158]
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:25 PM
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Losing to NIU is obviously much worse than losing to Georgia, but Notre Dame has quality wins and Clemson doesn't. Virginia might be our best win, and they just got blown out by a bad UNC team. We won't need to worry about the polls if we keep winning, but I don't think we're ranked any lower than we should be right now.
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Team Captain [460]
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:23 PM
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All the Tigers have to do is win, and keep winning, on to the ACC Championship game and play SMU? Could happen.
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Asst Coach [836]
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:28 PM
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A number factors would have to happen for this happen.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:33 PM
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I see so many people say this every season, but it simply is not true.
When the playoff selection committee is determining strength of schedule, what do you think they look at? The polls.
When they are determining ranked wins what poll do you think it is they are using? AP poll
The rankings absolutely 1000% matter. It’s easier to stay at the top when you start at the top. It’s hard to work your way up if you are NOT an SEC team.
For those who think these polls don’t matter, you are very, very shortsighted
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:38 PM
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Under the new CFP format the polls don’t matter. All you have to do is win your conference and you are in. Under the old Format, I could somewhat buy your argument after what happened to FSU last year.
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Orange Blooded [2593]
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Oct 28, 2024, 3:38 PM
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And that is what I love about the automatic bids they don’t have to worry about the BS bias
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Game Changer [1806]
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Oct 28, 2024, 2:01 PM
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I TU'd you and the OP.
They shouldn't matter, but in a large part they do. If you don't win the conference championship, you DO need a resume to get you in. That is based on your ranking and your opponents at the time you played.
Here's why it shouldn't matter. The assumption is that a higher ranked team is really good. Until they are "upset" by a lower ranked team or an unranked team. Then, the assumption is always that the lower ranked team must be better than they believed rather than the higher ranked team being worse. This theory applies only to the SEC and in some instances the B1G. Everyone else, the reverse is true.
Where you begin the season in the polls, also has a great deal to do with how you finish. An unranked program at the beginning has a lot of convincing to do to make their way into the top 12 to even be considered a playoff team. Here again, that largely depends on the conference. Colorado just now cracked the top-25 and we're at the first week of November.
All that being said, the system is STILL based on what people outside the game THINK. And people are lazy. The AP doesn't really follow college football exclusively. Therefore, I would guess that most follow each other. And they begin each year with what happened last year. Case in point FSU was preseason 10th. The playoff committee is no different. They can say that they start with a clean slate when they first meet. But that can't possibly be true. They would have to look at way too many programs. They have to begin somewhere.
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Oct 28, 2024, 2:54 PM
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I tend to agree with you, the AP Poll does matter especially when the CFP does their first ranking. In 2023, the AP poll released just before the CFP was very very similar to the CFP’s initial rankings. With a slightly different order there was only 1 team that was listed as 12 in the AP and 15 in the CFP rankings. Guess who? Notre Dame. Yes, I was surprised by that too. The committee listed Missouri instead. My point is that I believe the committee looks at the AP to start and makes minor adjustments from there.
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:33 PM [ in reply to AP Poll ]
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I see so many people say this every season, but it simply is not true.
When the playoff selection committee is determining strength of schedule, what do you think they look at? The polls.
When they are determining ranked wins what poll do you think it is they are using? AP poll
The rankings absolutely 1000% matter. It’s easier to stay at the top when you start at the top. It’s hard to work your way up if you are NOT an SEC team.
For those who think these polls don’t matter, you are very, very shortsighted
nothing for you to worry about. no way the coots get in.
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Orange Phenom [14928]
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What if the Committee is under undue pressure from say, I don't know, a
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Oct 28, 2024, 1:45 PM
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television network or a Conference Commissioner?
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Asst Coach [836]
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Oct 28, 2024, 2:03 PM
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I see what you’re saying and it certainly can happen, however all we have to do is win out and we’re guaranteed a spot. If that happens, why does a poll released in late October matter?
Hypothetically, if we lose a close game to Miami, I just don’t see how they can keep us out of the playoffs. At that point we would have the best 2 losses of any two loss team in the country.
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Walk-On [75]
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Re: What if the Committee is under undue pressure from say, I don't know, a
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Oct 28, 2024, 2:23 PM
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I see what you’re saying and it certainly can happen, however all we have to do is win out and we’re guaranteed a spot...
It is still possible that we win out and don't qualify for the ACCCG due to the tie breaking process.
If that happens, we're at the mercy of the cartel... sorry, I mean the committee. Our "best wins" would be Louisville, VT, Pitt, and SC. 11-1, non-conference champ, with a soft schedule. I don't like our chances.
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Oct 28, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Typical BYE week BS. Just keep winning and take care of business in Charlotte to take the power out of the voters hands.
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Walk-On [75]
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Oct 28, 2024, 2:58 PM
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Tiger Nation,
...The only poll that matters is the College Football Selection Committee’s rankings on December 8th....!
Yes!
The committee (or people on the committee) has previously stated that even their rankings before the final one are just for entertainment (or words to that effect).
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Game Changer [1873]
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Even the CFP polls do not matter.
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The only thing that will matter is getting to and winning the ACC championship. Win and we're in no matter what the polls say.
So first things first....Louisville.
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