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Well, two years in a row we have to sit and watch a team
Jun 5, 2017, 9:46 PM
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come through Clemson. Anyone who thinks this is progress isn't watching the games. We're pumping up a coach who can have a team good enough to be top-16 two years in a row, but can't win at home in the postseason. If your team is good enough to win 40+ games, then they're good enough to make a Super. Bottom line. At the end of the day, 42-20 losing at home in the Regional is no different than Leggett's 35-25 and going 0-2. Not advancing is not advancing no matter how you dice it.
Idk why we expect this team to be focused and play with fire when you have a HC that doesn't even argue the call at the plate. If you want players to play with passions, then coach with some Monte.
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Re: Well, two years in a row we have to sit and watch a team
Jun 5, 2017, 9:47 PM
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You don't make a lot of sense. Just down right stupid.
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And how's that?***
Jun 5, 2017, 9:49 PM
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Re: And how's that?***
Jun 5, 2017, 9:51 PM
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Because if you think Monte's types of teams are the same that Leggett coached and got beat by LIBERTY...TWICE in a regional, then you are just plain stupid.
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At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 9:53 PM
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and not advancing versus being a #3 seed and going 0-2? Honestly, if you think there's a big difference then you're beating your chest over have a prettier single-round postseason. Either way, you fail to make a Super which should be the standard.
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Re: At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:19 PM
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If you don't see the difference then you're just an imbecile.
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Re: At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:20 PM
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Baseball is all about the postseason. Nothing else matters. It's not CFB where you get pretty bowl games and all that. You play the whole season for seeding in the Regionals. That's where your seasons are validated. Bottom line, we've not done anything that matters in the last two years because we can't advance.
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Re: At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:23 PM
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By your point though that means that Monte's teams were better than any Jack coached since 2010. We didn't advance past regional play but they played the whole season and had better seeding in the regionals.
We've got a lot of young talent on this team and we will be fine.
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Re: At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:27 PM
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It only matters what you did with your seeding is my point. Monte's REGULAR SEASONS blow anything Leggett did out of the water since '09 when we hosted. Even in '10 we were a #2 @ Auburn. But to my point, you brought up '10 because nobody cares what happened in the regular season (so long we made a Regional). All everyone remembers is the CWS appearance which made it a special season.
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Re: At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:28 PM
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You keep switching your point, the fact of the matter is that the past two seasons have been better than anything since 2010. Period. End of story.
Therefore your bitching about Monte is misplaced, and quite frankly, idiotic.
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Re: At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:32 PM
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My point is that the regular season doesnt matter if you dont capitalize on the advantage it gives you in the postseason. The reason '10 is better than anything we've done the last two seasons is because of the postseason run we had. Nobody cares that we were a 2-seed that had a good regular season, but not a great one. The POSTSEASON made that year great. If you dont win in the postseason then what have you accomplished. Go ask TTU, UNC, Stanford, Arkansas if they feel good about the seasons they had, losing at home in Regionals. Go ask Davidson, Vandy, Sam Houston, etc. if they think this season is special.
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Re: At the end of the day, what's the difference in hosting...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:36 PM
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If that doesn't matter then where were you last week when EVERYONE WAS BITCHING ABOUT NOT HOSTING A REGIONAL?
Also, by your logic I don't need to ask Davidson, Vandy, Same Houston, etc. if the season is special unless they make it to Omaha.
You keep making one point but then arguing another.
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People were complaining because hosting gives you the best
Jun 5, 2017, 10:38 PM
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chance to go to a Super. It's about the advantage you gain... that we squander. And what point am I arguing against? I'm saying that the postseason makes your season. Nothing else.
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Re: People were complaining because hosting gives you the best
Jun 5, 2017, 10:40 PM
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You made the point that making it to Omaha is all that matters, then bring up teams that have only won regionals. Their seasons aren't special yet, so why bring them up?
My point it we gave ourselves that chance, and it's better than not hosting.
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Re: People were complaining because hosting gives you the best
Jun 5, 2017, 10:43 PM
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I didnt say that Omaha was all that matters. I just said that '10 was the last season because we made it past a regional. Obviously a more special season than '09 where we made a Super.
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Re: People were complaining because hosting gives you the best
Jun 5, 2017, 10:47 PM
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Ffs dude you are spinning around so much you gotta be dizzy. Is it making a Super that makes a season special, or making it to Omaha, or what?
Cause from what I gather, the regular season is only about seeding (check the box both years), but advancing is what is really important (don't check the box), but 2010 was so special due to Omaha, but that doesn't really matter it's about advancing to a Super?
It's been fun, but a long day and another tomorrow so I'm out before I get dumber by going back and forth with you.
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Re: People were complaining because hosting gives you the best
Jun 5, 2017, 10:50 PM
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You do know you have make a Super before you make Omaha right? '10 would've been better w/o Omaha had we lost to Bama at home just for the sole fact that we made it past a Regional. I think finishing the postseason top-16 is pretty special... maybe not back in the 2000s when the standard was Omaha, but right now it would be great.
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Re: People were complaining because hosting gives you the best
Jun 5, 2017, 10:51 PM
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"Right now it would be great."
Right now it's better that we have been hosting, than not hosting.
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Re: People were complaining because hosting gives you the best
Jun 5, 2017, 10:57 PM
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Not if you dont do anything with it. My whole problem isnt missing on a Super again. If we were solid all year and were a 2 or 3 seed and lost like we have the last two years Id feel better about it and say that he needs time to recruit. My issue that we're good enough to go through a heck of a schedule and finish top-16 but we cant win a home regional. I dont get why we're good enough to host, but not good enough to win it. We're underachieving in the postseason because of the expectations that our regular seasons are setting. Again, either way its the same thing because you dont host, but I could be a little more patient if we werent that good to start with.
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I have liked the way Wilkie has come alive in the Regional.
Jun 5, 2017, 10:34 PM
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I think Griffith has a chance to be solid for us and Mitchell Miller will be good with this year under his belt. I'm not overly impressed with the young talent, but there is some there.
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Why did you post a link to the roster?***
Jun 5, 2017, 10:35 PM
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Jun 5, 2017, 10:36 PM
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So he could look at the young talent?
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But I though this team wasn't any good and poor ole Monte
Jun 5, 2017, 10:39 PM
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was losing in Regionals bc of Leggett's awful players?
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Re: But I though this team wasn't any good and poor ole Monte
Jun 5, 2017, 10:40 PM
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Where did you see me say that? Now you're putting words in my fingers and making an ### out of yourself.
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Re: Well, two years in a row we have to sit and watch a team
Jun 5, 2017, 9:49 PM
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Honestly, we cant fire everyone, all the time. We make choices and have to give them time to produce. I remember the Fire Dabo!!!!!!! idiots boiling out of the woodwork after the WVU loss.
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I'm not saying fire him...
Jun 5, 2017, 9:50 PM
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I just don't get all the Monte love with everyone so convinced that he's gonna bring us back to prominence. Two years in a row of hosting and not advancing.
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Re: I'm not saying fire him...
Jun 5, 2017, 9:52 PM
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While I agree hosting two times back to back is an upgrade from what we had going before.
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Re: I'm not saying fire him...
Jun 5, 2017, 9:55 PM
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If we weren't hosting , and weren't winning 40+ games ...and weren't winning ACC Tournaments in Lee's first season as head coach I'd say you had a valid argument .
As it is though , you don't. Stop letting your emotion pummel your common sense .
Do you even College Baseball , bro ?
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Re: I'm not saying fire him...
Jun 5, 2017, 9:57 PM
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I am not convinced he will do anything. We just cant fire coaches every couple of years. It makes no sense on about 1000 different levels. He is dealing with the same issues Jack dealt with. He, for all practical purposes, has far less scholarships than most of the teams he has to compete against.
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Re: I'm not saying fire him...
Jun 5, 2017, 9:59 PM
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he played two seasons with the ISSUES that you talk of in the toughest conference in baseball and finished top-16. So why is that the issues are a scapegoat for not producing when it matters?
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Re: I'm not saying fire him...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:02 PM
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Seriously, what do you want to do? Fire him?
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Re: I'm not saying fire him...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:04 PM
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I wouldn't fire him now. I just don't get how every time people post upset by the coaching or how the team plays everyone just swears up and down that Monte is our savior and that he's dealing with so much from Leggett's leftovers. These leftovers have finished top-16 twice, top-8 once and he can't win with them. I just don't get why Monte is above reproach. When he's winning he's amazing, when we're losing it's Leggett's fault.
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You're an idiot. How is Chad working out for you?***
Jun 5, 2017, 9:51 PM
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Re: Well, two years in a row we have to sit and watch a team
Jun 5, 2017, 9:52 PM
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I'm sorry but this is a ridiculous post. The program is much better off now than it was in the last few years of the Leggett era. Monte has been here 2 years...only 2 years. He already won an ACC title with Jack's guys. You have to give him time to build this program back into the powerhouse it was and will be. Dabo didn't do it overnight either. I guess you were ready to fire him after going 6-7 in year #2, am I right? You obviously can't see the bigger picture.
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Who said fire him?
Jun 5, 2017, 9:55 PM
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What more does Monte need to make a Super other than back-to-back top-16 teams? Last year we were a Nat'l Seed for goodness sakes.
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Re: Who said fire him?
Jun 5, 2017, 10:29 PM
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Think both years it's been pretty clear, pitching.
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Name a pitcher in the history of life that could win tonight
Jun 5, 2017, 10:35 PM
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We're getting shutout.
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Re: Name a pitcher in the history of life that could win tonight
Jun 5, 2017, 10:43 PM
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Well, Tyler Jackson for one (he shut them out last night).
That being said you asked about both years, not tonight as a single occasion.
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If this score holds, we would have avergaed 4.2 runs/game...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:45 PM
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and you want to blame the pitching? It's a complete team loss. The bats can be as much to blame as the pitching.
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Re: If this score holds, we would have avergaed 4.2 runs/game...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:49 PM
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By that same logic, Vandy gave up 3.5 runs per game and we gave up 4.6.
Been fun bud.
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Re: If this score holds, we would have avergaed 4.2 runs/game...
Jun 5, 2017, 10:52 PM
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Because they've faced our sorry bats. They gave up 4 to St. Johns which put them right on pace for our 4.2.
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Everyone wants to blame the pitching, but at the end of the
Jun 5, 2017, 10:54 PM
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day there are teams going to a Super with less pitching than us. Why is it Monte apparently needs elite arms to make it past a home Regional?
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Re: Everyone wants to blame the pitching, but at the end of the
Jun 5, 2017, 10:56 PM
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Dude you realize pitching isn't just about the starters right? Please for the love of all things good please at least make the statement that you do.
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Re: Everyone wants to blame the pitching, but at the end of the
Jun 5, 2017, 10:59 PM
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Absolutely. Our pen isnt anything good at all. But as a total staff, we're still better than some of the teams winning regions
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When he was hired, no one expected him to start winning
Jun 5, 2017, 10:15 PM
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until year 3. He's way ahead of that. It will take time to recruit, which Jack was miserable at, and rebuild. Wake up. No one likes to lose especially to a sorry assed SEC team, but we're on the right path.
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Re: When he was hired, no one expected him to start winning
Jun 5, 2017, 10:17 PM
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Again, he can win in the regular season and get us a host in the toughest conference in America, but he cant win in the postseason. My issue here isnt that we're losing in the postseason, it's that we're good enough to host and still can't make it past a Regional. If the team were just average year round and a two or three seed then I would agree with rebuilding, but apparently there wasnt much to rebuild if theyre already good enough to finish top-16 two seasons in a row.
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Re: Good gosh....
Jun 5, 2017, 10:40 PM
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Dabo chews refs the whole game. What do you watch?
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Re: Well, two years in a row we have to sit and watch a team
Jun 5, 2017, 10:21 PM
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He's not coming to Columbia and coaching your coots so go away and troll elsewhere. TIA. ????
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Relax, Monte is in his second year as our head coach.
Jun 5, 2017, 10:22 PM
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He is coaching the third most popular sport on campus, and it is one that loses money every year. Sure, Clemson has a nice core of fans for baseball, but Monte has done well and he isn't going to be fired for hosting a regional two years in a row, with an ACC championship as well.
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Re: Relax, Monte is in his second year as our head coach.
Jun 5, 2017, 10:24 PM
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I would venture to say that baseball might be the second most popular sport on campus. It was for sure when I was there but that was when we had Harbin, Colvin, Demmick, etc. I remember walking into the first weekend in '06 and it was standing room only.
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Baseball isn't even close to being the second most popular sport on campus.
Jun 5, 2017, 10:27 PM
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Basketball has thousands more fans in attendance per game. It also has many more who watch on TV. Ticket revenue and apparel sales are also higher for basketball.
Clemson supports baseball well, and we have a nice core of fans who love baseball, but it isn't - and never has been - as popular as basketball at Clemson.
And of course, both pale in comparison to football.
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Re: Baseball isn't even close to being the second most popular sport on campus.
Jun 5, 2017, 10:29 PM
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I would think if we only played 15 games at home that we would sell as many tickets too at baseball.
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If you asked Clemson fans whether they would take
Jun 5, 2017, 10:39 PM
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a national championship in basketball or a national championship in baseball, which one do you think most would pick? I would bet that at least 75% would say basketball.
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Re: If you asked Clemson fans whether they would take
Jun 5, 2017, 10:41 PM
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In the Nat'l landscape it's a bigger deal. I love baseball so much more than BB, but I would pick BB too just because it matters more. I dont know if thats an accurate barometer
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What are your qualifications?
Jun 5, 2017, 10:51 PM
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You have no idea what you're talking about, dumb@$$.
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