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Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:03 AM
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I agree with some of Judge Kellers and others on some of their points. Support for football is greater than our basketball program. Most schools that is the case. When that does change it is because of lack of success in their football program or they do not have a team. Example is South Carolina. They do not have any sustainable success in any of their men's sports besides bass fishing. Thus, they have come to be a Womens basketball school. We have never had sustainable success in basketball to keep fans in the seats. I remember during the Tommy West days; Death Valley was not sold out. Winning fixes things. Brownell does have a hard time recruiting big time players to Clemson. What can he sell them? Tradition? Nope. Tournament play? Nope. Development into the NBA? Nope. He does have the cards stacked against him. However, Oliver Purnell had an excitement for the fans and the program the short time he was here. Yes, he never won an NCAA tournament game, but we did get to the NCAA tourney the last 3 years he was at Clemson and the first year of Brownell's. That year has to be given some credit to Purnell. His teams played a different type of basketball, and it was exciting. Brownell's is less exciting. Purnell's teams with their full court defense were fun to watch, especially when the Blue Bloods fail to execute at times. Purnell was building something in basketball before he left and all that has faded since. If any of the Brownell lovers on here will be truthful with themselves, they will remember that feeling has slowly disappeared since Purnell left. As I have stated many times, I like Brownell as a person and how he has represented the university. He is a better person than Purnell if the rumors were/are true. Just ready to have something to cheer for and be proud of after football ends. I still watch most games on TV, but I do not plan around it like I do for football.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:08 AM
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stopped at “agree with judge keller”
TU for trying though
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:20 AM
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Fair to not agree with Judge. Haha I still can see where that group is coming from and I think he should be replaced.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:14 AM
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OP was a different coach and had better players. Brownell is a better coach but cannot get the players. We need someone that can do both.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:19 AM
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I agree with that except Purnell was starting to get players, the only problem was that he was a player too I guess.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:43 AM
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You have good arguments. No proof that Purnell was going to continue to win big, but also no proof that going to start being mediocre either.
Clemson was in the top 25 on a regular bases in that last 3 years they made the NCAAT but fizzled out in 1st round. Basketball was relevant on a national stage. What is wrong with wanting that?
I will say, you aren't going to change any stances. Fans are already against Coach Brownell or for him.
The only thing that will change everyone to be on the same wavelength, is for change to happen. That might be a good thing when ever Clemson and Coach decide to part ways.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:57 AM
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I think there is proof that the talent level dropped when he quit. His best class was mainly busts. He only had Marcus Thornton committed his last year (who was average Georgia)
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 9:04 AM
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:57 AM
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I think there is proof that the talent level dropped when he quit. His best class was mainly busts. He only had Marcus Thornton committed his last year (who was average Georgia)
I GUESS IT MATTERS NOT THAT OP COULD NOT KEEP HIS ZIPPER ZIPPED OR THE FACT THAT HE WAS HATED BY THE PLAYERS AND BOOKER WAS GOING TO TRANSFER HAD HE STAYED. JUST BASIC LITTLE STUFF THAT SURELY THE TROLL SHOULD KNOW SINCE HE HAS SUCH VAST KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROGRAM.
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Derp gonna Derp, provide proof of any of that crap.
Nov 10, 2022, 9:20 AM
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Also, current coaches/players are off limits according to you, but previous Clemson men are fair game? That's interesting...
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Re: Derp gonna Derp, provide proof of any of that crap.
Nov 10, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Derp gonna Derp, provide proof of any of that crap. [1]
Nov 10, 2022, 9:20 AM
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Also, current coaches/players are off limits according to you, but previous Clemson men are fair game? That's interesting...
HEY DERP, WHATEVER THAT IS, THAT WAS VERY WELL KNOWN BY ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYONE AT CLEMSON. KEEP UP.
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Hey Derp, it's a well known rumor. If you want to claim it
Nov 10, 2022, 9:38 AM
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as fact, back it up with proof.
Also, so now you're insinuating that you're an insider. Interesting
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Re: Hey Derp, it's a well known rumor. If you want to claim it
Nov 10, 2022, 10:01 AM
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Hey Derp, it's a well known rumor. If you want to claim it
Nov 10, 2022, 9:38 AM
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as fact, back it up with proof.
Also, so now you're insinuating that you're an insider. Interesting
INSIDER, LMFAO. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE AN INSIDER TO KNOW PEOPLE IN THE KNOW. SINCE I HAVE BEEN GOING TO GAMES SINCE 1963 YOU TEND TO MEET PEOPLE.
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Re: Hey Derp, it's a well known rumor. If you want to claim it
Nov 10, 2022, 10:03 AM
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So no actual proof, got it.
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Larry Williams wrote an article after Purnell left
Nov 10, 2022, 10:10 AM
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in which he described AD Terry Don Phillips making a low ball offer to Purnell after Purnell informed him of the DePaul offer and justifying the offer be explaining that the cost of living was much lower in Clemson than Chicago.
That's why Coach Purnell left. Loved what TD did for our football program, but that was not one of TD's finest hours.
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Re: Larry Williams wrote an article after Purnell left
Nov 10, 2022, 10:12 AM
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Larry Williams wrote an article after Purnell left
Nov 10, 2022, 10:10 AM
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in which he described AD Terry Don Phillips making a low ball offer to Purnell after Purnell informed him of the DePaul offer and justifying the offer be explaining that the cost of living was much lower in Clemson than Chicago.
That's why Coach Purnell left. Loved what TD did for our football program, but that was not one of TD's finest hours.
SO YOU THINK LARRY IS GONNA WRITE THAT HE COULD NOT KEEP HIS ZIPPER ZIPPED. GUESS YOU ALSO BELIEVE THAT RICK BARNES LEFT BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ALSO. LMFAO
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I have no doubt that Larry Williams accurately described
Nov 10, 2022, 10:16 AM
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the facts. Larry's livelihood depends on it and has an excellent track record. You, however, do not.
This has nothing to do with Rick Barnes.
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Derp is just being a goober***
Nov 10, 2022, 10:18 AM
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Re: Derp is just being a goober***
Nov 10, 2022, 11:14 AM
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IF YOU 2 GOOBERS THINK I GIVE A SH!T WHAT YOU THINK THEN YOU THINK REALLY HIGHLY OF YOURSELF. MAYBE CHUCK SHOULD FIGURE OUT HOW TO HELP HIS PRESIDENT FROM SENDING OUR COUNTRY FURTHER DOWN THE SH!TTER.
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Derp can't provide proof so he lashes out....
Nov 10, 2022, 11:16 AM
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Busts or weren't the best fits for the new coaches scheme?
Nov 10, 2022, 9:25 AM
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We'll never know if they would've been busts in the scheme they were recruited to play in.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 8:50 AM
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I liked your post, but I'm of the mindset that Brad just is not the guy who can break through and bring our team to prominence. He makes plenty of money to have delivered no more success against teams that matter than he has. Not sure we are getting our money's worth. I truly wish he turns a corner and we find success., but we've been waiting a long time now, and not much to show for it.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 9:07 AM
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Brownell's style of basketball may be "boring" for the casual fan. I don't find it boring. I like the motion. I like the cuts. I like seeing crisp passing. Casual fans want up and down the court.
That being said, Brownell needs to win more. Facilities are much better. Support from the administration from a payroll perspective seems to be there. The recruiting is getting better. You don't need elite talent to win in college basketball.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 9:11 AM
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I totally agree with that statement. Talent does have to be better to withstand in a tougher and deeper conference schedule. ACC it just means more
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
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I totally agree with that statement. Talent does have to be better to withstand in a tougher and deeper conference schedule. ACC it just means more
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
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I think basketball in general has a difficult time due to the starting dates. It's hard to find interest in Clemson vs. Tri-County, Monmouth, etc basketball just hours before or after a Clemson vs Notre Dame, Louisville, etc football game.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 9:16 AM
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Fair point. With the season being longer the interest does pick up into a March madness. We are usually stuck in Fire Brownell January!
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
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Have you looked at schedule? South Carolina is tomorrow, but they also will play Iowa, Penn St, Cal or TCU, and Wake all by December 2. Heck, Bellarmine just beat Louisville. That's not a terrible schedule.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Agree with that. Just not as focused on basketball because usually football is gearing up for playoffs. Still watch games just excitement isn't there yet.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 10:34 AM
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It's the lack of talent.
We have 0 NBA players.
We have very few players playing in Europe.
It's the lack of talent.
Even crappy programs get an occasional NBA quality player by luck except us.
PJ could be that.
Maybe the good players don't like his system.
Maybe our "friends of the program" aren't making competitive offers.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 10:46 AM
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Yes, Brownell's teams are more entertaining than OP's hectic teams. If you loved a fast paced, hectic offenses, then OP's teams are for you.
ACC win percentage is about the same, but Brownell's win percentage over ranked teams is way better than Purnell's
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 9:26 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I like good defense and he is a good defensive coach. I just have seen those times where we look like we couldn't score if our life depended on it. Too many times we have had long and painful droughts. I don't mind a well-run offense, just want to have points out of it once in awhile.
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Lunatic Fringe Is Going To Be Upset
Nov 10, 2022, 9:27 AM
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I believe in CBB. I believe in this basketball team. You want to keep hating, go somewhere else. Constant talk of replacing the coach gets old. You got people on here ready to fire Dabo after one humiliating loss. Ridiculous. We need to close and double lock the door to the Lunatic Fringe Clubhouse.
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What are your expectations for this team this year? TIA***
Nov 10, 2022, 9:28 AM
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It's the 12 middling years showing no promise and
Nov 10, 2022, 9:49 AM
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consistent failures closing out games that has most fans past ready for a change in leadership with basketball. Now that we're into the season it's simply hope for the best, and if it doesn't work out, again, turn the page.
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Exactly, I hope we absolutely kill it this year, but I have
Nov 10, 2022, 9:53 AM
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my doubts due to Brownells track record.
It's also why I keep asking the CBB fan club what their expectations are for this season, and of course we can't get a straight answer.
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Re: Exactly, I hope we absolutely kill it this year, but I have
Nov 11, 2022, 4:34 PM
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I expect you and others to be calling for Brownell's firing by Jan 15, regardless of our record.
It's the ACC. We will beat someone we weren't expected to; we will take a highly ranked team to the wire before losing; and we will lose to a team under. 500, and you will proclaim that "well-coached teams don't do that", except that every ACC team will do it. ACC basketball will resemble Big 12 football.
That's my expectation.
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Purnell was a better recruiter with a better vision of how
Nov 10, 2022, 9:32 AM
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to build a program at Clemson from the available talent in our recruiting base. He didn't have the luxury of the transfer portal to correct repeated recruiting failures like Brad has.
Brad's not the X's and O's coach that people pretend he is. He doesn't recruit or maximize talent well. His teams are boring.
The wind has been sucked from our sails over the last 13 years and I blame that on Brad Brownell.
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Re: Purnell was a better recruiter with a better vision of how
Nov 11, 2022, 4:55 PM
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Here here!
I have not witnessed anything over Brad’s time here that demonstrates he is a good coach.
Too many times I have seen us unable to get an inbounds pass at critical times in games. We look unprepared at the most crucial time of the game. We have had a few losses because he refused to foul the other team on a last shot attempt when we are up by 3 points.
I’m convinced JK is related to brad. No other way to explain it.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 9:50 AM
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Sorry to disagree, but Purnell cut and run when his recruited four stars turned out to be busts.
Remember Bobo? He could see the writing on the wall, and ran out without even telling his team. His subsequent lack of success better shows his coaching abilities.
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Think I saw they won a women’s SEC soccer title last week
Nov 10, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Women’s sports continue to carry the water; SCAR men can’t carry the women’s jocks! What a woeful overall athletics program.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 10:07 AM
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Yours is a truthful post. However many on this site can’t accept the truth as they have their rose colored glasses on all the time. Brownell may be the top guy we have ever had as far as integrity, class, sportsmanship, and operating an honest program graduating his players. However, he falls short in success and a winning program. After 12 years being picked to finish 12th in the conference is way under what serious BB fans hope for. I hope he has a great year and gets this thing turned around for him and everyone. However, after 12 years my confidence in him making a big splash this year is low. Hoping I am wrong. I too was a former season ticket holder but have not seen a game in person for several years. I am by the tv and radio when we play.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 10:37 AM
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Unfortunately, even if this turns into an unexpectedly good year and he saves his job it's unlikely to lead to long term success, right?
He's had 12 years to develop his program and this is where we are.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 10, 2022, 11:23 AM
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You can't be a true Clemson fan and not pull for Brownell and the basketball team to have a great year. It comes with the territory. My hope would be that if Brad somehow does have a breakout year that we stick to the one year extensions of late with no change in buyout. Going overboard on extensions and buyout raises after one single decent year is part of what's extended this program funk this long.
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I thought you were gonna just say Brownlee
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 11, 2022, 8:26 AM
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Unless Brownell has a phenomenal season, his body of work says it is past time to make a change.
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Re: Unpopular post on our basketball program
Nov 11, 2022, 8:29 AM
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It seems like every time he is sure to be fired, he has a decent season......sadly followed by mediocre seasons and an extension of his contract.
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