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TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 7, 2023, 12:42 PM
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
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Apr 7, 2023, 12:49 PM
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I don't see the issue. They had Dabo ranked with Saban last year. Then, we sucked again, while Harbaugh won the Big Ten and went to the playoffs for a second year in a row. I think Day is underrated and should be 5 (and maybe I'd put Whittingham over Kelly), but the list is right other than that.
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
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Apr 7, 2023, 12:59 PM
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 7, 2023, 2:03 PM
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These are power rankings. It's not a measure of greatness or career accomplishments. They're based on who they consider the best coach at that snapshot in time. Dabo was #1 in 2018 after the last title. For two years, we've missed the playoffs while Day has two conference titles and two playoff appearances. It's really not that complicated.
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 7, 2023, 3:35 PM
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 7, 2023, 8:45 PM
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I hate what happened to DJ here, but Dabo keeping him in all season when we've got a guy who, had he gotten some first team reps could've made a lot better.. . Everyone ×was scratching their heads over that one. Likely caused a doing in his credibility for such polls.
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
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Apr 7, 2023, 8:48 PM
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 8, 2023, 1:46 PM
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Thing is, I don’t care anymore but Saban should have lost at least to Texas last year and could have lost to a couple more and might should have if not for favor with the man. Watch the tapes and argue with anyone if ya want but I’m definitely right. Even blind officiating butt munches admitted they missed a crucial call in that Texas game and they had a missed safety potentially two different ways. There was no way around that even and even if that was not enough, Texas on the goal line and a clear missed face mask where Texas players whole head was pulled back
I know y’all hate Texas and that wasn’t even my point. I’m not whining about officiating but stating that bama wasn’t that good last year and possibly loses to Clemson in head to head.
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Why would Dabo have made a change?
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Apr 8, 2023, 4:09 PM
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We were 8-0 and squarely in line for the playoffs. Even after the ND loss (and Cade got a shot), we were firmly in the playoffs. Had we secured the punt, gained 10 yards and kicked a FG to beat the coots, then we were in with an ACC Championship. We were in up to that point.
So why would we have forced Cade in there?
He didn't develop as well as we had hoped, and that's a primary reason Brandon was let go.
DJ was winning (top 4) while Cade was developing. It's not a difficult concept, and at no point was a change warranted.
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Re: We didn’t suck last year.
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Are you just schizo? You bad mouthed the football team all season. First of all, I wouldn't say it was a really good season for us. I think pretty much everyone was disappointed. It would have been a phenomenal season for us 10 years ago. But then we made the playoffs six years in a row and we became one of the biggest spenders in football. Standards change. And don't forget, we're not saying who would be happy with those accomplishments. We're looking at that compared to: Saban, Smart, Harbaugh, and Day. These are programs that expect to compete for titles. Ohio State played UGA to the wire in the playoffs and consider the season a failure. That's the standard you're competing with at the top 5 programs. Yes, many teams would kill to our season. But the coaches on that list would be disappointed.
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She's right.
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Apr 8, 2023, 4:11 PM
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And you're not.
11 wins and an ACC Championship with a 13th ranking doesn't "suck" no matter how you try to slice it.
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 7, 2023, 4:41 PM
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Went to Clemson from 2009-2013. So I did miss the Bowden years, but was enrolled during our losing streak to the Coots. But that's irrelevant because we're discussing why they consider Harbaugh ahead of Dabo at this moment in time. For that, the last 2-3 years are all we look at.
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
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Apr 8, 2023, 10:30 AM
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Went to Clemson from 2009-2013. So I did miss the Bowden years, but was enrolled during our losing streak to the Coots. But that's irrelevant because we're discussing why they consider Harbaugh ahead of Dabo at this moment in time. For that, the last 2-3 years are all we look at.
For all you Harbaugh pumpers out there, I have just 2 words: Urban Meyer.
Even after Dabo kicked his ### twice and won a natty, they still ranked Meyer ahead of Dabo, based presumably on career, not recency.
Also, the point about Saban still number 1 while Kirby has won the last 2 natties. Hmmmm…
Just set the rules on this poll, that’s all we’re asking, so we know the criteria and expectations.
Now, my poll, based on CAREER:
1 Saban
2 Dabo
3 Kirby
4 (Fill in the blank because the gap from 3 to 4 is huge)
That is all…………
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 8, 2023, 1:40 PM
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I truly hate posts by people that let emotions take over their brains and nothing but ### farts come out.
I do agree on some of what I actually read of the initial oblivious ignorance or you pumping comment. Hey, we get it you hate the Big 10 and Michigan and Harbaugh and Chip Kelly’s grandmother even though he never coached at a big 10 school, or Michigan, or Harbaugh or even beat the dog over the dance and became your daddy.
Ban me for the last part if necessary so I’ll be forced to stop dealing with stupid. My wife was right stupid cannot be stopped and my mission in life is not even close to possible
All this stupid caused by stupid and an incredibly stupid site PFF. Anyone can guess what PFF really stands for. The first initial is part of the female anatomy, the second initial waves a little wand around has wings and the last is another name for Limp Wrists and even some ignorant posters here can figure that out. Please, please ban me and end my misery
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 7, 2023, 4:12 PM
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I'll agree with you if, if you can name 5 power 5 FB programs that has won two Nattie's, went to the playoffs 6 straight times, and has had 10+ consecutive wins in every game since 2011-2022, plus Dabo was the very first HC to have an undefeated season in the college FB playoff era.
Back to the 10+ wins a season since 2011, it doesn't look like that will change in 2023 either. I always like to say that the proof is in pudding, well, the pudding is in the link that I provided for you. I will also like to mention, just bc Dabo's team hasn't been to the playoffs the past 2 seasons, that doesn't mean he is any less of a Top HC, it doesn't make him a bad HC, and it doesn't mean that he's forgotten what it takes to be a Top HC.
IMHO, until one of the coaches they have placed in front of Dabo has had what they've done in the past 12 years compared to what Dabo has done in the past 12 years doesn't mean they are a better HC than Dabo bc until they can match what Dabo has done, how could you possibly say they are a better HC than Dabo bc, according to the pudding, I think only one other HC has done more than what Dabo has done in the past 12 years, and that means that the proof in the pudding is proving that Saban is #1, and Dabo is #2 until someone has done more than the Top 2 college FB coaches has done. And you just can't twist the words to suit what you want it to be, and it's all of sudden true, bc it's not, #1 HC equals Nick Saban, #2 HC equals Dabo, and the proof is in the pudding!!!!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/228/season/2022
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That's an excellent point, Ma'am.
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Apr 8, 2023, 4:15 PM
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It's soooo rare for you. Congrats!
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You cannot be serious.
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Apr 8, 2023, 4:02 PM
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Dabo and Harbaugh shouldn't be mentioned in the same article. Harbaugh hasn't done crap. And no, we didn't "suck" last year - 11 wins and an ACC Championship while finishing 13th, is not sucking. At all.
It's a joke to try to place Harbaugh anywhere near Dabo. Day is ahead of Harbaugh, and Day hasn't done as much as Dabo either.
I'd say Dabo and Kirby are tied for 2nd, and possibly Dabo edges him out when you look at the overall resumes.
1. Saban
2. Swinney
3. Smart
4. Day
5. Riley
Easy peasy.
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 7, 2023, 3:35 PM
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It doesn't matter no more than a turd of Rat chit in the last patch of melting snow what those Bias Dumb A$$ES at ESECPN, 247, Rival, or any other sports talker/writer says or thinks about our HC Dabo Swinney, and that is bc Tiger Nation knows and have known for a decade plus what Dabo is, and how we rate him as our Head Football Coach. To me personally, and I believe it holds true for the majority of the of our older fans that like me have seen several FB HC's hired and fired at Clemson, and Dabo has been the only one that knew how to get Clemson to the top of mountain, and has kept Clemson hanging really close to the very top of the Elite college FB Mountain. Also IMHO, Dabo has been the very best FB HC that Clemson has ever had. If we were to lose him for any reason, I believe that it would be about as long as it was before Dabo became our HC, to find another that would be as successful as he has been at Clemson. So really, who gives a Chit what label anybody else wants to put on Dabo, we know who he is, and what he means to Clemson, the FB program, and Tiger Nation!!! Screwummm, and the little horse that ride on!!!!
In my opinion, you can't really say that a HC is better than another with only one or two seasons of success. What have they done in the past 10 years, even though Saban and Dabo has 12-13 years of successful straight seasons winning two or more NC's. Seems to me like before you can argue a coach is better than those two coaches, they should have more than a couple of successful years in a row!!!!
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How is Harbaugh number 3
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Apr 7, 2023, 12:57 PM
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He has never won a notional championship and only been to the CFP twice. Never winning a game in the CFP. That’s a hell of a coach 😂😂
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Re: How is Harbaugh number 3
Apr 7, 2023, 4:28 PM
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Until another HC can match the records that Nick Saban and Dabo Swinney has done in the past 12 years, there is nothing that anybody can say out their mouth, or type on paper will make anyone in their list better HC's than Saban or Swinney, and that's just the facts. Saban's and Dabo's records that has been documented in the college FB records book speaks Louder than anything that anyone is saying about order of who's the best HC's in college FB bc, Saban and Dabo has already proven over the past 12 years who the best two HC's are, and they can't change that just bc that's something they want to do, it don't work like that, topping their records is the only thing that can!!!!
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Harbaugh ahead of Dabo is nonsense.
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Apr 7, 2023, 1:50 PM
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Is today April Fools?
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Re: Harbaugh ahead of Dabo is nonsense.
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I'm surprised to see you NOT bashing Dabo. You must be in a good mood.
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Re: Harbaugh ahead of Dabo is nonsense.
Apr 7, 2023, 4:30 PM
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I hear you Judge, that should have been printed on April 1st bc, it's a really good April fools funny!!!
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what hurt Dabo was refusing to bench the QB,that is also
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why we lost to the coots and maybe ND. This decline has hurt in recruiting & given Shane Beamer an chance to advance his recruiting.Hope a new offense next year will get us back where we were
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I don't think you're seeing this clearly
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Apr 8, 2023, 4:23 PM
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https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/why-would-dabo-have-made-a-change-32599240#32599240
By the way, we're 4th (P5) in wins in the country in the last 3 years and 5th in the last 4 years.
The word "decline" is grossly exaggerated. We finished 4th in 2020, and then won 21 games in years (5th) in spite of being handcuffed at QB.
TP was not the answer last year, obviously. We were 8-0 and squarely in line for the playoffs. What would have justified a change??
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Dabo Coached teams that went to and won Championships
Apr 7, 2023, 6:15 PM
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Jim Harbough at #3 his teams don't touch Natty games and they recruit second ranked QBs
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Re: Dabo Coached teams that went to and won Championships
Apr 8, 2023, 1:28 PM
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Your comment reeks of ignorance and not even close to accurate. Harbaugh is unpopular with everyone in media because he tells them off and he signed one top QB. Since it’s a team game, what other top guys did he sign? His classes are way below Bama and Georgia and your hated Harbaugh has done reasonably well in spite of it.
I’m sorry to tell you off and I planned on being nicer here, but you don’t know much about Michigan. Do you even know about the top Detroit QB last year that never even thought about Michigan? McCarthy was a rarity. The Moore kid signed with UCLA because he wanted warmer climate which might be ridiculous because he could wind up in Cleveland or Green Bay or Buffalo.
Don’t be a jerk just to be a jerk. Uncool. Michigan has been a favorite since I was a kid and I’m good friends with a former HC and he actually did wonders for me by introducing me to Dabo. You know little
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This is a Clemson Tiger board
Apr 8, 2023, 1:30 PM
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Jim "Sleepover" Hardforboys is Not Even Top 10
Apr 7, 2023, 6:26 PM
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ESPN likes him because he has PJ parties w/sub-18 boys and they are into that Pedo stuff
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Re: Jim "Sleepover" Hardforboys is Not Even Top 10
Apr 8, 2023, 1:29 PM
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Sick comment. Who would even have that in the back of their mind but another pedophile. Grow up, little fella
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
Apr 8, 2023, 1:17 PM
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I truly hate that site and wish the quotes would stop from there. They’re more wrong than right, fairly often at that.
I don’t necessarily disagree except for a few factors. What the hell are they basing this on, even?
This is not apples to apples on so many levels.
No problem with Kirby and Saban. However, they’re also proven cheaters and please don’t deny that. Their recruiting classes are always 1 or 2, so it’s not the same with Dabo and Harbaugh. Why’s that a problem for me? Because twice Dabo took mid range recruiting classes and beat SABAN and rather easily in one. In another, it was close but they did it in cool comeback classic fashion. A lessor coach would have folded in that game. The loss to Bama probably happened because Skeletor didn’t realize TEs were eligible receivers and Howard burned them
That’s fine coaching on Dabo’s part when you take a 10 average ranked classes and take on top classes and win some.
Harbaugh has never signed anything resembling a top class or even that close. He finally landed a top QB and the guy everyone but me, apparently, hates has made the last two playoffs
Dabo had some bad luck and lost a great OC and a pretty decent Dc who I would call great if he had gotten his calls in earlier. The tigers lost to Ohio State because of it, I believe
So, them in my book again PFF is garbage and brain clutter and in my mind Dabo and Harbaugh are every bit as good as the S brothers of cheat, Smart and Saban. Don’t hand me the no ncaa violation garbage because I follow the national scene closer than most
Please cease and desist with the PFF quotes and lies.
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Re: TNET: PFF ranks Dabo Swinney fourth among college football's top head coaches
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Since Saban and Kirby's cheating is "proven," you can give us the specifics. Which players did they cheat to get and how did they cheat?
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I could see a debate over Kirby, but
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Apr 8, 2023, 3:57 PM
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for crying out loud, Harbaugh's been to one playoff with 0 wins. That's it.
Dabo has a 6-yr run of playoffs. That's a national record.
Nevermind the 2nd place total 6 wins and 2 national championships in the CFPs.
6 straight top 4 finishes.
Nevermind the 2nd place wins in the CFP era and 6 straight top 4 finishes.
Placing Harbaugh above Dabo is COMPLETELY unsupported.
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