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TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 1:16 PM
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Orange Blooded [4846]
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i will always be a tiger fan with or without brad brownell
Feb 14, 2022, 1:30 PM
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go tigers
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Re: i will always be a tiger fan with or without brad brownell
Feb 15, 2022, 4:30 PM
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I think that you're speaking for every solid orange in the country regardless of what sport. But hasn't Brad Brownell been singing that very same dead A$$ song for 12 years, we need to recruit better!!! I mean isn't recruiting better the job of the HC. Every recruit can't sign without Brad's approval before they are allowed to sign. I mean recruiting is Brownell's #1 job as the HC!!!
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 1:32 PM
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I don't think he really has his finger on the pulse of the fans right now. Maybe I am wrong?
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 1:39 PM
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Thanks for thanking all of the 13 fans!!! (LOL!!!)
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 9:42 AM
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Thirteen is way too high. And I will always be a Clemson fan, with or without Brownell. But I would prefer to be a fan without him. FSU is favored by 2 even though it is likely the Holes' leading scorer won't play. Any chance Clemson actually wins tonight?
PS: I thought the head coach was responsible for recruiting?
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 4:37 PM
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I don't think tigernet is a very good indictment of your typical "fan".
I thinks it's basically split 50% want him fired, 25% don't really care, and 25-% want to give him 1 more.
I think if the terrible season continues, he should probably go.
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Nice to see him give Judge Keller a shout out..***
Feb 14, 2022, 1:41 PM
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Re: Nice to see him give Judge Keller a shout out..***
Feb 14, 2022, 3:15 PM
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a Brownell shoutout to JK would be so metå it would border on creepy.
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Re: Nice to see him give Judge Keller a shout out..***
Feb 20, 2022, 1:37 PM
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Not sure JK and CBB can be in the same place at the same time, even digitally.
Think phonebooth.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 1:57 PM
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So basically saying our current players are not good enough, And the fans are definitely not sticking with the program # clueless
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:33 PM
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CD, do you go to games and do you not remember when Dabo said, "we got who we got"? Recruiting is hard every sport.
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You can't keep using similar things that occur or one
Feb 14, 2022, 3:34 PM
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liner's from Dabo to justify you're blind allegiance. What an unintelligent response. Dabo's worst team in 10 years still won 10 games and went to a bowl game/winning and in the top 20. Brad's best year is still slightly above mediocre. What a dumb statement to compare the two.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 4:02 PM
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I knew I could count in one of you to say this.
When fans say we don't have enough talent to win and we need to recruit better, we're not blaming the players, or the college or the administration--we're blaming the coach while supporting the players, college and administration.
But if the coach says we don't have enough talent to win and need to recruit better, we say that he's blaming his players.
Good to know. Obviously I need to take lessons on how to support most of the program but not the whole thing.
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How would you feel if you were on the team and the coach
Feb 14, 2022, 4:11 PM
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said we don't have enough talent? Doesn't mean he's blaming them to me, but he is saying, our team sucks. And he's right and it's his fault. Been here 12 years and underperforming. Let's chase a losing investment. If we raise him to $10M, that will all change, right?
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Re: How would you feel if you were on the team and the coach
Feb 14, 2022, 5:37 PM
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I'm pretty sure he is as honest with his team as he is with the media. Undoubtedly, moreso.
The problem I have with you "Fire Brad now!" types isn't that you want a winning program. I think we all understand that. Some of you are clearly speaking out of frustration and unrequited love (that's a Valentine's reference).
It's the fact that many of you aren't satisfied with making the case that the program isn't where we all wanted it to be. You have to find petty, trivial ways to insult Brownell's character and insinuate that by coaching out his contract he is somehow hurting the young men he cares about far more than you ever will.
And I've always asked Tnet fans to learn to discuss basketball itself so, when our coaching messiah does come, we won't go straight to "Fire the new coach!" as soon as something goes wrong.
But apparently the game is too complex for us. We would rather make unproveable negative claims like, "He's lost the team."
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I will only say I don't feel like he has made the program
Feb 14, 2022, 5:55 PM
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better than when he found it. And, he's had a long time to do so. Maybe it is the former AD's fault for extending him. I just am tired of not at least trying to be better.
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Re: How would you feel if you were on the team and the coach
Feb 14, 2022, 6:28 PM
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It's not complex. No sports are. They all come back to the Jimmy and Joes. The 2.5 million dollar salary question is how. Dabo figured it out. Everything Brad's asked for and determined what needed to happen, has happened. He asked for help and got a recruiting assistant. New facilities, and yes as much fan support as any coach will receive.
Brad's failed to show where any of his asks have produced better recruiting. As I said in my other post, a new coach and a renewed dedication towards improvement is for Neff to figure out. At least with a new coach we have a chance to recruit the right Jimmy and Joes.
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I have been saying for at least half of his time here
Feb 15, 2022, 1:16 PM
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that BB is not a good recruiter and has stood in the way of the couple of good recruiters that were on staff. I am personally aware of a couple of issues where BB did not have the same fight for recruits that the assistant had, and when that doubt in himself to actually recruit said players led to recruits signing elsewhere and performing WELL.
Clemson has never been a juggernaut in hoops, but almost every coach we have had has been able to recruit difference makers, BB, no one to date has been a game changer... KJ has come the closest to being a game changer, and Barnes didn't recruit a game changer, but he was a good enough coach to put his teams in position to challenge anyone and be competitive.
I just don't see BB moving the program any further than he already has (or has not)...
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:43 PM
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That's actually an issue I have with many of Brownell's hardcore supporters. Constant complaints about the Admin not offering enough support to the program, which is why Brad can't recruit better. I.e. "Our current student-athletes aren't good enough, so we don't need a better coach, we just need better players, and it's the [fill in the blank]'s fault for that."
When Will Muschamp said something very similar to Brad's statement after his first loss to us while at SCar, I thought it was pretty classless of him to dis on his players with a statement like that to the public, and felt like it would bode poorly for his future there.
If you recall, a LOT of fans, Brownellers included, at the season's onset were pretty excited about the talent we had on hand, the depth, and the potential ahead for this season. We're a long way from that optimism, and that was before Tyson got hurt to put the nail in the coffin.
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I was not optimistic about this season, and was gobsmacked
Feb 15, 2022, 1:19 PM
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that anyone was optimistic about the season before it started. I will always support all of Clemson's programs, even in down years, but we need to pull our poles and head to a new fishing hole because we aren't catching anything in the BB fishing hole...
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Welp about the only thing he had going for him still was
Feb 14, 2022, 1:58 PM
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Exactly. Those comments are why he should go ahead and step down.
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Feb 14, 2022, 6:54 PM
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I wouldn’t play for that assshat.
He’s gonna blame the players all the way out the door on his way out…which will hopefully be really soon.
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He has no other excuse left to use...
Feb 15, 2022, 1:23 PM
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He's rehashed all the other excuses more than twice, so, other than looking at the man in the mirror, he's looking over his shoulder at the young men that should be following him... this is pitiful and I SINCERELY HOPE that Neff won't let the long-standing relationship (or Dabo going to bat for BB) stand in the way of making a hard decision.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:05 PM
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He obviously doesn't get on Tnet much, huh?
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Just like when our football team lost, some true fans understood the reality of injuries and transfers. The same has happened to Brad's team and if you will take time to look back at how many players left, add Tyson's injury, Collins' stupid foul and realize how good the teams are that we lost to the same true fans get it. We 100% should have won some of the earlier games and that is what has killed us.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:21 PM
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And we probably lose more games without the two players that transferred in. Naz and Collins have kept us in a lot of games. Especially Collins. We weren't going to beat Duke with a full staff and doubtful on Notre Dame. Chief played lights out in ND loss. He's stepped up in Tyson's absence.
This is in no way shape or form like football. No fans here have given up on the players. Everyone understands they're giving 110% and then some. Brad's trying to save his job.
New coach and a true realistic backing and investment into basketball. Whatever that is, the Neff needs to figure out.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 6:13 AM
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What’s your definition of true fan?! The definition of fan is fanatic. That’s where fan cam from, fanatical people. You’re describing a blind cheerleader. Those teams are just that good. What does that say about us?! I bet you were happy with Bowden, Hatfield, and West too! Pointing out obvious flaws doesn’t make someone less a fan. It makes them realistic. Brownell has not done as well as Murray State the last twelve years. Tell me they have better facilities. Nope. A better coaching staff who recruits and develops well. Basketball is also a chess game. Brads been playing checkers for 12 years in the ultimate chess league. These “fans” you claim aren’t true invest as much or more in the school than you do. Maybe not all. God knows I’ve paid my dues supporting Clemson. Think about it like he’s your financial advisor and constantly underperforming. Or, your wife. You’d say something other than blindly cheering them on. Brads had about 6 years longer than he should have. Sure, he’s a great guy. Sure, he cares. But, he’s not doing his job well.
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Men's basketball recruiting has always been bad
Feb 14, 2022, 2:09 PM
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What the hell is different know?
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:16 PM
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Coachspeak
He gone
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:42 PM
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Well, he’s sorted out we need to score more points to win. Now we need to recruit better - who is this on, I thought him?
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:21 PM
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"We have to do some things in recruiting...." Wrong pronoun Brad. Try-I have to recruit better. Oh well, it's only been 12 years to figure that one out.
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Week to 10 days? It's been a hard week
Feb 14, 2022, 2:24 PM
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To 10 years. "That's life in the ACC"? No, that's Clemson's life in the ACC. It doesn't have to be that way.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:42 PM
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I recall a national sports talk show the summer of 2007 when the topic was which college football coach would you want to coach your school's biggest game. At the time we were meandering along with Tommy Bowden, and it dawned on me that Tommy wouldn't make the list of top 50 coaches for that, or worse. We were on the precipice enough, seemingly always, and had a big recruiting class on the horizon with Bowers and others at stake, so treading with caution was the sentiment at hand.
I see an absolute parallel here with Brownell, other than basketball has never won much of anything, ever (but no reason they can't). Bowden pulling Merriweather at the goal line versus SCar (still pains me to recall that to this day) in 2006 is akin to Brownell leaving PJ on the bench at the close of the UNC game last week. These aren't guys that would make anyone's list, not top 50, not even top 100, of a coach you would trust on the sidelines in a big game. We should at least have some hope when it comes to hoops, and it just isn't there.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 9:49 PM
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great post
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Who recruited those players?***
Feb 14, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 2:56 PM
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It’s only been 12 years. Patience people! Give Brownell time to “recruit better”…and new facilities too.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 3:54 PM
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Hey, Coach, who is responsible for recruiting?
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 5:18 PM
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He has had plenty of time to get recruiting headed in the right direction. Tired of the jaw jacking.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 5:32 PM
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BB knows fully well that Clemson fans are having a "winter of our discontent" that is more like "Groundhog Day" than Shakespeare.
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“We’re not playing great all the time”…
Feb 14, 2022, 6:01 PM
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You can say that again…LOL!
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folks got bored with defense.. so we recruited some offense
Feb 14, 2022, 6:06 PM
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Nows are defenses not so goods. Them two ways players is tough to find.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:28 PM
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Wow…I am typically on the side of keeping my thoughts to myself, but it floors me that he just blamed the players!!! Feels a bit desperate to deflect the focus. IMO he has a decent team, good enough to have won many of the close games they were in. Losing close games is not a player issue, that is on the coach!
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:29 PM
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I’m 76 years old and a class of 67 grad. On all those years I can remember two coaches that had truly competitive team - Tates Locke, who got us suspended for recruiting violations, and Rick Barnes. A few others were OK. Here’s what I’m tired of- losing basketball games, which Brownell excels in. He needs to GO.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:44 PM
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Well, we went to the final 8 with Bill Foster at the helm.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 9:33 PM
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We did, but did he give us any consistency in the program? I don't recall that he did, but I'm not on Prevagen so I don't remember as well as I used to.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 9:08 PM
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I don’t understand how ppl forget the Purnell years like they never happened , some back breaks in the tourney and lost to some good teams .. but that’s the tourney anything can happen … those were highly competive teams one which almost won the ACC tourney and was a top 10 team … I think most anyone would gladly
Take those days back instead of trying to be competitive against a terrible Ga tech team
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 9:31 PM
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I guess I forgot OP since he mysteriously packed up one night and moved into obscurity - at Dayton I believe. He did indeed have some better years than what we've had under BB. Heaven only knows how you can pay a man so much and expect so little. I'd love to have had a job like that. Just one year would have been all I needed.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 12:21 AM
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Haha yea I mean it sucked how it ended no doubt and I guess I get frustrated at some of the ppl that compare the two and to me there’s no comparison … OP took over a down program and turned it around .. BB took that program that had been to 3 tourneys and an acc champ and top ten teams and over 12 years we are worse in a worse league… but I was a student at the time and that place was unreal … that atmosphere was awesome so that’s why I bark back at ppl like judge and others that say we don’t care bc when the product on the floor is there , the fans show up and it’s loud … those were some exciting teams and we just had a couple bad breaks in the ncaa tourney … It really blows my mind to think where we are and the fact he’s been here 12 years … I just can’t wrap my head around that
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 4:47 AM
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I believe that it was Depaul that Purnell left for which was a lateral move at best. I think the fact that he made that change highlighted some of the things that were excuses for Brownell apologists. However, most of those issues have been addressed to some extent. We could always do more, but few people see pumping more money into a failed investment as a good idea.
At least we are far enough along in Brownell's tenure that I don't have to hear the excuse that the failings are due to what poor shape Purnell left the program in. I never understood that considering for years Purnell's players had been the only ones to get Brownell to the tournament.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:43 PM
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Well that is a BS comment because he knows the fans, as a whole, are not behind him. Thats a last ditch effort to try and not get canned. Can him!!
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:55 PM
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Well answer me this, if recruiting better talent is the issue, then isn't 8 Years enough time to determine a coaches recruiting ability?
Next, if somehow this is an ACC issue, how is it other coaches such as UNC, VA, Duke can manage consistency?
I am sorry as I have stated, we should have fired Brownell at least 4 years ago.
Let's assume he could recruit the "Fab 5"
Brownell would still have same losing record because he simply cannot coach on the court
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 6:55 PM
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Well answer me this, if recruiting better talent is the issue, then isn't 8 Years enough time to determine a coaches recruiting ability?
Next, if somehow this is an ACC issue, how is it other coaches such as UNC, VA, Duke can manage consistency?
I am sorry as I have stated, we should have fired Brownell at least 4 years ago.
Let's assume he could recruit the "Fab 5"
Brownell would still have same losing record because he simply cannot coach on the court
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 7:04 PM
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If recruiting better talent is the issue, then isn't 8 Years enough time to demonstrate the ability to recruit? Let's assume Brownell could recruit the
"Fab 5" he would still have same Losing record because he simply cannot coach on the hardwood. Let me pose a coaching question,
your team is cold from any shooting range in the first half and your opponent is hot and goes on a 20:0 streak? Mind you it's first half, most middle school coaches would use their timeouts to do (2) things 1) cool off the other team 2) try calling some of your best plays to break the ice.
In the 2 games I have watched recently, this was the scenario, but Brownell called (0) timeouts?????
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 7:04 PM
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If recruiting better talent is the issue, then isn't 8 Years enough time to demonstrate the ability to recruit? Let's assume Brownell could recruit the
"Fab 5" he would still have same Losing record because he simply cannot coach on the hardwood. Let me pose a coaching question,
your team is cold from any shooting range in the first half and your opponent is hot and goes on a 20:0 streak? Mind you it's first half, most middle school coaches would use their timeouts to do (2) things 1) cool off the other team 2) try calling some of your best plays to break the ice.
In the 2 games I have watched recently, this was the scenario, but Brownell called (0) timeouts?????
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 7:04 PM
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If recruiting better talent is the issue, then isn't 8 Years enough time to demonstrate the ability to recruit? Let's assume Brownell could recruit the
"Fab 5" he would still have same Losing record because he simply cannot coach on the hardwood. Let me pose a coaching question,
your team is cold from any shooting range in the first half and your opponent is hot and goes on a 20:0 streak? Mind you it's first half, most middle school coaches would use their timeouts to do (2) things 1) cool off the other team 2) try calling some of your best plays to break the ice.
In the 2 games I have watched recently, this was the scenario, but Brownell called (0) timeouts?????
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 14, 2022, 9:45 PM
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whos job is it to recruit ??? UNREAL
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Deer Brownlee,
Feb 14, 2022, 9:54 PM
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~JKB
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Re: Deer Brownlee,
Feb 14, 2022, 10:50 PM
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Cut the man some slack...he's just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Re: Deer Brownlee,
Feb 15, 2022, 3:09 AM
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And if you saw Titanic most of those chairs went sliding down the deck the farther the season went down.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 3:07 AM
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You mean after 12 years of the same old thing; "we need to do some things in recruiting..."
Hey Brad, don't you think that should be "I" NEED TO ......
It's your program. And since it's most likely this team is not going anywhere in the post season ,maybe you need to let your assistants coach and you start recruiting "now".
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Whew! Happy they broke the code! Way to go Brownlee!***
Feb 15, 2022, 7:00 AM
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 1:59 PM
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How many fans in this picture look real interested. I would say thats a snapshot, empty seats and all of the fan support Brownell has right now. Average at best.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 10:05 PM
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5 years after giving him the facilities he needed to recruit, the in conference record is 4-11. How long is enough? If the record was anywhere near comparable down the street, the coach would be long gone. I’ve had enough, I’m out. Don’t count me as the fan giving this coach anything other than a cordial goodbye.
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Re: TNET: Brownell says Tigers have to recruit better, thankful fans are sticking with program
Feb 15, 2022, 11:27 PM
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Coach, your team is doing this year what it seems to do each year. I don't think the problem is the players, I think it's you and your staff. What piece of the puzzle to you need? Don't you think you have been here long enough that you should have something substantial to show for it? When you have 2 National Championships and 6 conference titles in the past 10 years, you can talk about a down year. What have you won in your time and the helm of the Tigers? The fans aren't sticking with you because they believe in you, much like Tommy Bowden, they're hanging in there believing someone in the administration will come to their senses and cut ties with you in the hopes the program will flourish.
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