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Ring of Honor [21789]
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Crypto and Congress
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Jul 15, 2025, 9:51 AM
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The Senate just passed the GENIUS stablecoin bill on June 17th with shockingly little fanfare, in a rare bipartisan vote, 68-30. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/17/genius-stablecoin-bill-crypto.html
The House is poised to vote on and expand it from July 14th to July 18th - "Crypto Week." It very much appears stablecoins have the vote here too: https://www.mitrade.com/au/insights/news/live-news/article-3-954217-20250713
Why does this matter? Well, on the surface it "provides a framework for how various cryptocurrencies should be regulated by agencies like the SEC and CFTC". Blah, blah, blah, right? Big deal. (Yawn.) But it also does something else, too - it means crypto companies would then have the power to issue new currency, determine their own profit margins on that currency creation, and and algorithmically adjust money supply...independent of Federal Reserve policy. The crypto companies will have essentially privatized core central banking functions while maintaining the fiction that it's just "payments innovation".
On paper this doesn't matter. The GENIUS act bans issuers from offering direct yield or interest on payment stablecoins to entice people to use their currency...though the issuers - the stablecoin companies - then get to pocket that interest. By legal decree. BUT while they are "prohibited from conditioning their payment stablecoin services on a customer's agreement to obtain another paid service from the issuer (or its affiliates)"...they can also offer rewards, merchant discounts, and platform benefits. So in other words, they can then use the interest profits to give customers similar bennies to credit card companies...and here's the kicker: on currency they themselves issue.
In other words, if you're still using boring old US dollars, you're probably losing money. You'll get better deals from the big stablecoin issuers, especially Tether and Circle.
Also in other words: Congress is about to give away a vast amount of their "power of the purse". To private crypto companies that can issue their own currency that will soon be backed by actual US dollars. Trump & the Fam are all about it, they all issued their own coins as a first order of business. Heck, even Melania got one, bless her. https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/melania-meme
Keep an eye on this theme. Everybody's paying attention to everything Trump, MAGA, and DOGE are breaking. What people are so outraged and discombobulated to notice is, the real action is happening well offstage...by the private companies that are systematically absorbing the functions of government left broken or dysfunctional in the rampage. Trump 47 swept into office backed by an entirely different constellation of interests than Trump 45. And these interests are hoovering up actual power everywhere at the US government's expense...and the social-media influencers we have cosplaying as Congresspeople seem utterly fine with giving it away.
Just thought I'd mention it. Now go on, and continue to indulge in the fantasy that we live in anything resembling a democracy anymore...and resume your bickering and arguing.
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The brief history of stable coins and their charlatan founders ......
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Jul 15, 2025, 10:20 AM
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.....it ain't so great. In fact it has mostly been a high-tech circus of corrupt and inept con men, making promises they know they can't keep.
The biggest gotcha has always been proof of reserves and don't even get me started about the corrosive influence of algorythmic stablecoins, like Terra, the one Do Kwon created that blew up the markets in 2022.
Then there is Tether, which mints USDT. About as shady as they come.
https://bitfinexed.medium.com/tether-isnt-a-blockchain-company-63bda5402812
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This isn't good. I know what is happening, and it's very bad.
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Jul 15, 2025, 10:45 AM
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Sure, the crypto fans will love this, but......
The main reason Congress is doing this legislation, is because they know what likely/possibly lies ahead. The US dollar could collapse, along with out debt. IF that were to ever happen, there must be something to fall back on. Traditionally, that's gold, but the problem with gold is we have far more dollars, imaginary and real, floating around, then there has ever been gold mined in all of human history, combined. Just our federal debt, alone, is more than all the Gold that exists, at market values.
I'm telling you right now, if the dollar collapses they will change the money, and crypto is a much more manageable way to go, because again we have more dollars than the dollar amount of all gold on Earth, EVEN AT $3k an ounce. We can't go back to the gold standard because we have to many dollars that exist.
The problem here, like with any currency, is stability comes from use. When a billion or more people use dollars, it creates a very value-stable platform on which to trade. But again, dollars are infinite, in theory. Labor isn't. With crypto, it will always be prone to volatility unless universal use and adoption can somehow be forced or coerced. My $50 bill in my wallet isn't going to go down to $30 in a single day, or up to $80 in a single day. It will take YEARS for that change to happen.
As it stands, crypto is basically a massive ponzi scheme. EVERYTHING is based on dollars. How many DOLLARS is this coin worth? Well, with those dollars being relatively stable, and no one using the coin in any meaningful amounts in trade, that leaves it wide open for speculation, and manipulation, which is what everyone from Trump to Hawk Tua to everyone else is doing with crypto. Suckers come in and lose, while those with enough knowledge and coins to manipulate things, make bank.
But yeah, they will replace the dollar with some sort of central bank backed crypto stablecoin, and force the use of it in transactions. This is how they will reset the currency, IF it collapses. And it's no surprise they're promoting stablecoins, as that will be pegged to some asset, gold, dollars, whatever, and can serve to reset costs to consumers should something very bad happen to the dollar (hyperinflation, debt default, etc).
But make no mistake, this is a very scary thing to even see happening, because it shows what is expected, or at least possibly anticipated. The dollar is down 10% on the year. That's a news-filled afternoon for bitcoin.
In the past, other banana republics tried similar measures. The currency becomes worthless, inflation rises, so they reset the currency, sometimes keeping the name, or changing the name, but they reset the currency to something once again workable. The problem is, when you try this trick, Mexico has done it several times, what happens is the problem that caused the original currency to collapse, eventually comes back and the process repeats itself.
As such, and as Congress is the source of our biggest financial follies, it is not surprising to see them, of all people, proposing this. Currency resets are often popular in legislative bodies that caused the original currency to collapse, so that legislative body wants to keep the gravy train rolling, they change the currency. They don't force themselves to adhere to a budget, or limit their terms in office, that's insane. Instead they reset the currency from one they ruined, to another that buys them time to ruin it again.
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Ring of Honor [21789]
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Re: This isn't good. I know what is happening, and it's very bad.
Jul 15, 2025, 11:12 AM
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Yup. And my worse fear is...this actually encourages crypto companies to crash the dollar.
Also, Trump & Fam will make bank themselves. I mean, they've got coins of their own. I suspect we'd start being even more worried if we see who in Congress has stablecoins themselves, because those elected representatives would similarly share in the bounty.
It'd sukk for the rest of us, but hey, you can't make an omelet, and all that....
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Re: This isn't good. I know what is happening, and it's very bad.
Jul 15, 2025, 11:21 AM
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Crypto can’t crash $200 trillion of a currency. Because then there is nothing to buy the crypto with.
This just allows more short term scamming in crypto but crypto can’t actually replace dollars.
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Re: This isn't good. I know what is happening, and it's very bad.
Jul 15, 2025, 11:33 AM
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No...they can't replace dollars now.
But stuff scales.
Yeah, they'd take a beating - short term. But then the crypto companies would essentially own the world's reserve currency, which is a privilege now accorded only to...
...the US government. Who despite this massive advantage have still somehow managed to put us further and further into the red.
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Re: This isn't good. I know what is happening, and it's very bad.
Jul 15, 2025, 11:40 AM
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Well the benefit of being the world reserve currency is the fact you can go into the red.
But you’re right it’s probably not a good policy to go as far as we have to give tax breaks to the rich. So the Republicans very well could be dumb enough to try to replace the dollar with crypto. But our national debt problem hasn’t hurt the average American like replacing the dollar would.
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Psst....there isn't $200 trillion of currency.
Jul 15, 2025, 1:01 PM
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There isn't $37 trillion of currency either. Our national debt would be a stack of $100 bills to the moon and back. We don't have the trees, the ink, the printers, or the cutters to make that much "currency".
Jeff Bezos doesn't have $100 billion dollars, he has shares valued at that many dollars. Elon Musk doesn't have $300 billion DOLLARS, he has STOCK valued at that.
CURRENCY is something used to exchange goods, services, and labor. Most dollars that exist exist only on paper. They are quantified demand. They are representative dollars, not real ones.
A majority of America's wealth is simply quantified demand. It isn't currency, it's a market value for something, in dollars, that's technically worthless until sold. And the best part about stocks, and quantified demand, is manipulating the demand. Say you have a mega company, like Nvidia. Say "institutional investors" (pension funds, Black Rock, etc.) own perhaps 60% of the stock in the company. There may be a dozen large, institutional investors who own half or more of a company, then millions own smaller portions. Now, those institutional investors are more than content to sit on their holdings, so long as value is rising. But at any given time, only a small percentage of a company's stock is "sellable". So if the large stock holders don't sell, and they all coordinate to make sure they're all on the same page, they sit on their stock, and even buy more at times, leaving the market with a small fraction available for actual sale. With high demand, and low supply of available stocks, the per share price skyrockets. Here's the rub. That demand is based on only a fraction of the stock being available for sale. BUT....that full demand value CARRIES OVER to the value of the institutional investors stocks, even though it's based on a supply that's a fraction of available stock.
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Re: Crypto and Congress
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Jul 15, 2025, 11:54 AM
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